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Wanting Community Feedback On Reform Card 14 Day Ban

SKT Meanbunny·6/4/2019, 3:19:05 AM·2 votes·2,300 views

TL;DR: I want your feedback on if you think my 14 day suspension was justified, chat log will be posted below.

Hey guys. I am not going to waste time with the "I was unfairly banned" yada, yada ya. What I am going to say is that I am truly baffled at what it was specifically I said that caused me to get 14 day banned. Because I did not say anything racist, sexist, or personally offensive remarks. I have heard before in another post that when you have been recently chat restricted, sometimes just typing too much in a game can get you banned even if you are not overwhelmingly negative.

Pretty much, I am fine with accepting the consequences of negative attitude and behavior, but what I am not fine with is not knowing the exact reason why I am being punished.

My point is basically that if "negative attitude" or "communication that does not help the team to succeed" is enough reason to 14 day ban someone, then I feel they need to be a lot more specific about what is allowed and what is not allowed in a normal game of league of legends.

So I am going to post the chat log now for the game in question and I am going to preface and say even though it doesn't matter why anything was said at all by me to these players, I still want you guys to have context for the exchange.

I was abandoned in lane at around 5 minutes, called useless and berated in chat after a level 2 Kayn and my Yuumi tried to 2v3 in bot river while I was being shoved in hard because I was alone in lane 1v2, they got destroyed and even though I was in no position at all to help, I got flamed hard. I was in a particular large amount of pain that day, so I reached my breaking point and when he told me I was useless I said "You are preform Kayn, your champion is literally useless" because he had just called me as a player useless. Notice I said his champion and not him his self.

CHAT LOG:

Keep in mind, the part where I say preform Kayn is useless, he had just told me I was useless as a PLAYER. I simply talked about his champion, not him as a player. I do not truly feel that way, it was just a heated response because of what he just said to me. I then later said I didn't want to play anymore because I was not having fun, it was a normal draft game, and I couldn't perform anymore because of the disgust I had for my team mates.

Game 1 In-Game TSM Meanbunny: why did you leave me TSM Meanbunny: kayn was running it down TSM Meanbunny: dont run it down with him TSM Meanbunny: yes I do no dmg its early game before first back TSM Meanbunny: fighting is pointless TSM Meanbunny: and youre kayn pre form TSM Meanbunny: this isnt lvl 1? TSM Meanbunny: jkust get inside me TSM Meanbunny: what are you doing TSM Meanbunny: go heal urself TSM Meanbunny: pls TSM Meanbunny: dont die TSM Meanbunny: I flought TSM Meanbunny: you are pre form kayn TSM Meanbunny: your champ is useless TSM Meanbunny: literally TSM Meanbunny: cus they focused you TSM Meanbunny: not my fault TSM Meanbunny: pls since you so unhappy with my lane so somewhere else TSM Meanbunny: dont need you down here TSM Meanbunny: ff 15 TSM Meanbunny: dont want to play with you TSM Meanbunny: ur both muted and reported TSM Meanbunny: so.. TSM Meanbunny: not only do you not heal me TSM Meanbunny: you unattach mid dive TSM Meanbunny: and then decide to ult TSM Meanbunny: lmfao TSM Meanbunny: dont ever, ever mention something about another players skill again TSM Meanbunny: report kayn and yuumi pls ty TSM Meanbunny: inting and toxic in chat TSM Meanbunny: exactly TSM Meanbunny: on hit in bot? TSM Meanbunny: whatever that means bud, I have been 1v2 the entire game, cant play this way

For those who care to read further:

I don't mean to make this post personal, because my physical health should have no bearing on this topic, but I have cancer and I live in a great deal of pain on a daily basis. League of Legends is one of the only escapes that I have in my life where I can go into a game and not think about the day I am going to die and how it is going to happen. Literally, even when I'm in que or loading a match, I am anxious and depressed, but the minute that game clock starts ticking, I get to temporarily forget about the pain. I love this game and it means the world to me, but every human being has a breaking point.

Please keep in mind that I know facts such as "Who started it?" or "Why?" does not matter when it comes to negative communication in chat, but I feel that sometimes the instant feedback system doesn't feel like the best way. I am sure that for 95% of the cases its great, but for those remaining, I feel like there should be some other course of action to determine whether or not a punishment was appropriate. I am sure some of you solo players out there have experienced a time where you were paired with a 4 man and just happened to have a poor performance. Somehow, even if you didn't attack anyone, they get their friends and even sometimes people on the enemy team that have no idea what the issue is to report you as well, which ends up with multiple reports and your account getting punished.

What I also find confusing is that I have played this game for about 3 years and have never been chat restricted, now all of a sudden I am getting chat restrictions and now a 14 day ban?

Also one thing that I have found as a pattern in the games where I have been chat restricted, in a majority of them I have had a Yuumi as support. Half the Yuumi's I have had play with me so far have not only abandoned me in lane to go roam less than 5 minutes or so in, but after I die to a 3 man dive bot because I am being constantly shoved in because I am alone 1v2 in lane, I get flamed by my premade team mates. So not only was I griefed in lane, but I was harrased by my team mates, which I also muted after things became slightly heated. Something I have never done before.

So honestly, my comms have improved over what they were before! The first game I choose to not engage in an all out flame war and mute players, I get 14 day banned.

Bottom line, I just want the community's feedback on if you all think that this punishment was appropriate, and even more so if you do think I was punished properly, what was the sentence I typed that got me banned, because I am truly baffled at which it was. Either Kayn as a champion preform is useless or saying I didn't want to play with them anymore and to ff after being harassed for 20 mins by my own team. So could I have muted them? Yes, but like I said, even if I was not right for engaging, I feel like there should be at least a decent reason to give out a 14 day ban. Thanks for your time guys.

20 Comments

rujitra6/4/2019, 3:40:37 AM6 votes

[{quoted}](name=TSM Meanbunny,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lu1xN3er,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-04T03:19:05.407+0000) I have heard before in another post that when you have been recently chat restricted, sometimes just typing too much in a game can get you banned even if you are not overwhelmingly negative.

This is untrue, plain and simple.

My point is basically that if "negative attitude" or "communication that does not help the team to succeed" is enough reason to 14 day ban someone, then I feel they need to be a lot more specific about what is allowed and what is not allowed in a normal game of league of legends.

I don't feel it is not specific enough. It's pretty simple. Don't be a jerk to others.

and I am going to preface and say "even though it doesn't matter", why anything was said at all by me to these players

If it doesn't matter, there is no reason to include it. If you understand and know it doesn't matter, there is no reason you should care why you said it, nor should we.

Game 1 In-Game TSM Meanbunny: why did you leave me TSM Meanbunny: kayn was running it down TSM Meanbunny: dont run it down with him

Harassing someone and accusing them of intentional feeding.

TSM Meanbunny: you are pre form kayn TSM Meanbunny: your champ is useless

While you're talking about the champion, this is horribly negative and makes it sound like "you need to listen to me because I'm better".

TSM Meanbunny: ff 15

Negative attitude and giving up.

TSM Meanbunny: dont want to play with you TSM Meanbunny: ur both muted and reported

Harassing and flaming.

TSM Meanbunny: so.. TSM Meanbunny: not only do you not heal me TSM Meanbunny: you unattach mid dive TSM Meanbunny: and then decide to ult

Flaming for mistakes/bad plays.

TSM Meanbunny: lmfao TSM Meanbunny: dont ever, ever mention something about another players skill again

Flaming.

TSM Meanbunny: report kayn and yuumi pls ty TSM Meanbunny: inting and toxic in chat

Harassing and accusing

TSM Meanbunny: exactly TSM Meanbunny: on hit in bot? TSM Meanbunny: whatever that means bud, I have been 1v2 the entire game, cant play this way

More flaming your team.

I don't mean to make this post personal, because my physical health should have no bearing on this topic, but I have cancer and I live in a great deal of pain on a daily basis.

I am sorry to hear that. There is absolutely no reason for you to bring that up in this post.

Please keep in mind that I know facts such as "Who started it?" or "Why?" does not matter when it comes to negative communication in chat, but I feel that sometimes the instant feedback system doesn't feel like the best way.

And why is this?

I am sure that for 95% of the cases its great, but for those remaining, I feel like there should be some other course of action to determine whether or not a punishment was appropriate.

You are free to ask for a human review. A human review will not remove this punishment, because it was appropriate.

I am sure some of you solo players out there have experienced a time where you were paired with a 4 man and just happened to have a poor performance. Somehow, even if you didn't attack anyone, they get their friends and even sometimes people on the enemy team that have no idea what the issue is to report you as well, which ends up with multiple reports and your account getting punished.

You do not get punished for multiple reports. You get punished for misbehaving.

What I also find confusing is that I have played this game for about 3 years and have never been chat restricted, now all of a sudden I am getting chat restrictions and now a 14 day ban?

Because you have started misbehaving in game.

Also one thing that I have found as a pattern in the games where I have been chat restricted, in a majority of them I have had a Yuumi as support. Half the Yuumi's I have had play with me so far have not only abandoned me in lane to go roam less than 5 minutes or so in, but after I die to a 3 man dive bot because I am being constantly shoved in because I am alone 1v2 in lane, I get flamed by my premade team mates. So not only was I griefed in lane, but I was harrased by my team mates, which I also muted after things became slightly heated. Something I have never done before.

So you admit that you are getting heated and violating the rules and unable to control yourself.

So honestly, my comms have improved over what they were before! The first game I choose to not engage in an all out flame war and mute players, I get 14 day banned.

One murder is an improvement from a mass murder. It is still against the law.

Bottom line, I just want the community's feedback on if you all think that this punishment was appropriate, and even more so if you do think I was punished properly, what was the sentence I typed that got me banned, because I am truly baffled at which it was. Either Kayn as a champion preform is useless or saying I didn't want to play with them anymore and to ff after being harassed for 20 mins by my own team. So could I have muted them? Yes, but like I said, even if I was not right for engaging, I don't feel that anything I said warranted a 14 day ban. Thanks for your time guys.

You warranted a punishment and after your prior warnings, 14 day ban is the next step. The rules do not say "if you get punished you must improve". The rules say "do not violate the rules at all". You did not heed two prior warnings to fix your behavior. Thus you were given a stronger punishment.

Keep in mind that if you continue to misbehave, the next punishment will be a permanent suspension of your account.

intra6/4/2019, 3:35:59 AM3 votes

I have seen worse get out scot-free. Like you said, truly baffled - astonishing even - to see this. Send in a support ticket and get it settled. If the chat logs are genuine, I am sorry you went through that.

KFCeytron6/4/2019, 5:58:30 AM2 votes

Announcing that you've given up ("ff 15"), announcing intent to report someone, telling other people to report someone, and arguing basically the entire time are considered misbehavior. Sticking to moderately toxic chat doesn't guarantee that you'll only get chat restrictions, it just means that you start with two chat restrictions before moving up to a 14-day suspension. Note that at this punishment tier your next valid report - which might be for something as small as "gg ez noobs" - means a permanent suspension.

If you're genuinely confused about how you misbehaved and would like more examples of what to avoid in order to retain access to your account, I suggest reading more threads here in PB. Focus less on the exact words that were said (like "that's an easy report" or "definitely reporting that" or "say goodbye to your account" and so on and so forth) and more on how commenters explain what was wrong with those words ("announcing you're going to report someone"), as that's a more concise and comprehensive lesson.

UMomGae6/4/2019, 8:29:13 AM2 votes

This is definitely not supposed to be a thing that should've got you banned. My friend literally and I quote said "Fkn Nazis", "I'll gas the jews" and other such things and he did not get banned after I reported him. My friend or not, that is something I don't tolerate. What did he get? A key fragment for being honorable.

Meanwhile i call someone "r%%%%%", "dick" and the likes of it and i get chat restricted/banned. The system is clearly unfair and they're unable to monitor chats effectively hence leading bans for some players while other get away untouched.

Chosen of the sun Leona

SKT Meanbunny6/4/2019, 4:23:04 AM1 votes

Harassment of various kinds are crimes in the Unites States. I may not be the most friendly person, but I do not harass others, at least not in the sense of the word I was taught at the University of Georgia at Athens. You know, the LEGAL term used in court.

I now know that my only shot at keeping my account is to let my team know that I /mute all at the beginning of the game because my tolerance level for toxic, mean and even in some cases down right "evil" people in this game is at an all time low.

PS: Its comically obvious that the two of you are downvoting every post I make, just wanted you to know I was aware. (Not that I said that either of you would care).

Anyway, Thank you Rujitra and GatekeeperTDS for your responses. I am going to use one of the rules on the summoner's code and just agree to disagree, rather than be a disagreeable person.

Lemexis6/4/2019, 10:27:36 AM1 votes

As unpopular as it seems to be, I'm on the side of "toxic players should be banned" because I truly think that toxicity ruins games, and we shouldn't have to use the "mute" option so often.

That said, I frequently see (and report) way worse than your chatlog. To be honest when I first read your post I was expecting a chatlog full of "you fucking r%%%%%s", and I think that what you said is super mild and definitely does not deserve a ban. And I also think it's really dumb that when evaluating someone's "toxicity" it does not take into account the fact that the player you're "flaming" may have said way worse things to you before, but that's just my opinion.

I think you could try to send a support ticket and explain your situation, including the personal details. Once again, I don't understand why this got you ban and I see worse than that all the time - and those worse players don't seem to get banned. And while you're at it, show the chatlogs of the people who were toxic to you, maybe you'll get lucky and they'll get banned.

And while I don't recommend it in general because I find it a bit sad, maybe you should just "mute all" in your future games. And also mute emotes and signals. If you just want to have fun and chill out, it might be better.

**TL;DR : this is one of the least toxic "I got banned" chatlogs I've seen here and I think the ban is unwarranted. Send a support ticket to Riot and explain to them what you explained to us. **