Banning teammate's champion in champ select

Mordius·May 4, 2018·1 votes·1,237 views

It is my understanding that the current Instant Feedback System in place is based on what we the players find toxic, and that what players can actually be banned for is based on what the majority of players agree is toxic.

So I am curious as to why Riot's official stance on banning a teammate's champion, is allowed.

Because the majority of players I talk to find this to be toxic, and harassment. If the IFS is really based on player input, shouldn't banning a teammate's champion be a bannable offense?

8 Comments

ChermorgMay 4, 20183 votes

So, it is based on what players find toxic within reason. Further, it is based on what chat and gameplay players find toxic. A game mechanic cannot be inherently toxic - as it's the mechanics of the game.

The banning phase takes priority over the picking phase - that's how the game works. There would be just as many trolls if "hover" took priority over banning - but the damage would be quite a bit greater, as trolls could block pick or ban champs by hovering them as last pick, letting the enemy pick them.

Pika FoxMay 4, 20181 votes

Wouldnt this mean that player actions could still be toxic, even if it was through another medium? If its clear and evident someone banned a champ intentionally to hinder their own team mate or because they dont want their team member to play said champion, and make it obvious, that should still clearly be reportable. A mechanic can still be toxic if its intentionally used and abused to be toxic (anivia wall, tahm swallow etc).

ChermorgMay 4, 20184 votes

They have the right to ban whatever champ they want. Once you say "it depends" on their intent, you instantly have to take lots of time and effort to prove intent.

Pika FoxMay 4, 20181 votes

Lets be honest, often you dont need to take time or effort to see their intent. If you add pregame chat to reports to the post game chat, youll probably see a good connection of punishment worthy behavior. Besides, most people who intentionally ban a team mates selection make it very apparent why they did it.

AJStarhikerMay 4, 20182 votes

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Lets be honest, often you dont need to take time or effort to see their intent. If you add pregame chat to reports to the post game chat, youll probably see a good connection of punishment worthy behavior. Besides, most people who intentionally ban a team mates selection make it very apparent why they did it.

Pre/post game is already looked at. It's not included in IFS logs because those chats are not on the same client as in-game.

Pika FoxMay 4, 20181 votes

I know its looked at internally, but it should still eventually be included (and we really need a pre game report button/feature)

VenompawMay 4, 20181 votes

The banning phase takes priority over the picking phase - that's how the game works. There would be just as many trolls if "hover" took priority over banning - but the damage would be quite a bit greater, as trolls could block pick or ban champs by hovering them as last pick, letting the enemy pick them.

I disagree. If someone's going to troll, you're going to lose regardless.

yeulxMay 4, 20181 votes

imo banning a teamates champion shouldnt be considered toxic at all... what if the enemy team has first pick? or a new champion just comes out and people wnat to play it but you dont want it on your ranked team.. and its good that its not because the player has the right to ban who ever they want if someone happens to get butthurt from it they can dodge or play someone else.. if they are toxic troll and flame then they can get banned