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Perma-chat ban will never work, and here's why:

BeatzBoyFTW··11 votes·681 views

Let me ask you this: Why do you have to be toxic to your teammates? Imho, I'm very sure it is just to:

  • attempting to piss off your teammates for their mistakes.
  • taunt unnecessarily.
  • just plain angry or having a bad day, & you decided to take it all out on your own teammates.

Now let's say you got perma-chat, and you think you're all safe from the punishment system now, aye? Well guess what? You're not.

Another game doesn't go your way, so you got frustrated all over again, and let's be real, no one is dumb enough to still continue using the chat system when no one's reading it. Yeah, you would think that throwing stuffs around or shouting at the computer screen may be ironically embarrassing & bad mannered, assuming you're living with your family or friends. So what do you do as a last resort? The answer is:

#AFK or Intentionally Feed

You heard me, this is definitely what you would do to express your frustration. Any excuses you have in mind thinking my statement is dumb, keep reading the bolded text in my last paragraph. So for the last time, just take the punishment you have right now, be it a chat restriction, 14 days suspension or especially a permaban.

19 Comments

AeroWaffle2 votes

Not only limited to AFK'ing or intentionally feeding, because some people are aware enough that they notice this can quickly get themselves banned.

They'll follow the jungler and try to steal farm. They'll join a different lane and try to take all the cs. Waste their ult every time it's up. Uselessly farm a lane and just run far away when there's a hint of combat. Etc.

All those extremely difficult things for a automated system to find and catch. So we've replaced an easy-to-detect form of poor behavior, with poor behavior that's a pain in the ass to detect.

So yeah, there's no reason to allow people to continue playing if they've shown to be adamantly toxic. Because if you restrict chat from those players, they'll just find another outlet.

Morality Coach2 votes

They already had perma chat ban and yes it did make people feed instead.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Yes but at that point they are just intent feeding and should be punished for that.

Great Muta1 votes

It's a different category and feeding/AFKing are already separate problems that have been constant issues for 6 seasons.

Xeref1 votes

Most of the time I see toxic players is when someone is making bad plays over and over, or playing very poorly, or feeding. It is easier to get perma ban for telling at a 0/11/0 Rengar and 0/11/0 yasuo then it is for them to get banned for feeding. Yes happened to me, not perma but a week or so. dont' remember because I switched to HoTS for awhile.

Great Muta1 votes

Let me ask you this: Why do you have to be toxic to your teammates? I

Let me ask you this. What is toxicity? Who decides who is being toxic? And how can toxicity be determined without seeing both sides of the argument or the actual game where the context was shown?

You know what makes me toxic? Being stuck in a Q with random strangers who can't split up the 5 roles or 130+ Champions between themselves and aren't sure if they want to play for fun or win. Then being continuously stuck as they make bad plays, get slaughtered, blame teammates and refuse to surrender. Then knowing the only way I can get out it unharmed is to wait for the game to end 40 minutes later, since leaving will get me a leaverbuster and guaranteed AFK reports. That's what makes me toxic.

Now let's say you got perma-chat, and you think you're all safe now from being toxic to your teammates, aye? Well guess what? You're not.

Really? How am I going to be toxic verbally to anyone when I'd have no way to communicate? You got to exapla

Another game doesn't go your way, so you got frustrated all over again, and let's be real, no one is dumb enough to still continue using the chat system when no one's reading it.

I'll bet the amount of reports and punishments decrease 99%.

AFK

I'm not going to AFK. That'd get me a leaverbuster.

Intentionally Feed

I'm also not going to do this as it would be obvious and have a better chance of getting me in trouble.

This is legit one of the dumbest posts I read and OP is clearly a member of the RBSC - Rito Butt Slappers Club, where everything is the fault of the players and the holy Rito is always right.

BeatzBoyFTW4 votes

Let me ask you this. What is toxicity? Who decides who is being toxic? And how can toxicity be determined without seeing both sides of the argument or the actual game where the context was shown?

If a person acknowledges that the other is being toxic, then it's his rights to report it to Riot & they'll be the judge of it. That's what "False Reports" are there for in case of a misunderstood report.

There's no point in seeing both sides of the argument. The option of "Mute & Report" is there already, instead they still got the nerve to talk crap back instead, as if it solves any problem at all.

Really? How am I going to be toxic verbally to anyone when I'd have no way to communicate?

As in making the toxic guy thinking he's 100% safe from being punished by Riot from doing other negative activity besides talking crap. I may have worded it wrong, so mb.

I'll bet the amount of reports and punishments decrease 99%.

Not sure what you're trying to imply here.

I'm not going to AFK. That'd get me a leaverbuster.

I'm also not going to do this as it would be obvious and have a better chance of getting me in trouble.

Sorry, no one's going to believe this kind of thing. Even Riot used to test the permachat thing long ago & resulted in those two actions being commonly seen.

This is legit one of the dumbest posts I read and OP is clearly a member of the RBSC - Rito Butt Slappers Club

Thanks, because unlike you who's already on a 3rd account, I'm mature & proof enough to never get myself chat restricted or even suspension simply by knowing what I know , so no idea why the random hate you have :)

Great Muta1 votes

If a person acknowledges that the other is being toxic, then it's his rights to report it to Riot & they'll be the judge of it. That's what "False Reports" are there for in case of a misunderstood report.

What if that person is wrong and or biased?

That's what "False Reports" are there for in case of a misunderstood report.

How is a "false report" determined? Humans aren't looking at these. We have almost no behavior guidelines aside from "be nice". There's over 100 million players and people like me easily throw out 12+ reports a day, and all of them are legit.

There's no point in seeing both sides of the argument.

LOL Hhahahaha. You don't even believe your own shit.

As in making the toxic guy thinking he's 100% safe from being punished by Riot from doing other negative activity besides talking crap. I may have worded it wrong, so mb.

How can you be negative verbally if you aren't talking? The other situations you described were AFK, which is its own category and Feeding, which is also its own category.

Not sure what you're trying to imply here.

No chat = reports/bans go down 99%.

Sorry, no one's going to believe this kind of thing. Even Riot used to test the permachat thing long ago & resulted in those two actions being commonly seen.

I might flame on someone, but I'm not leaving because leaverbuster sucks and feeding is too obvious and likely to get me reported by the other team as well.

AFK/Feeding are currently seen now, so I'm not seeing the connection. Seems like it's a constant problem.

Thanks, because unlike you who's already on a 3rd account, I'm mature & proof enough to never get myself chat restricted or even suspension simply by knowing what I know , so no idea why the random hate you have :)

Doesn't mean anything, if it's true, since there is no way to prove it. You are already showing signs of passive-aggressive behavior, which is the true sign of a RBSC member.

BeatzBoyFTW4 votes

What if that person is wrong and or biased?

It will be considered "False Reports", and will be thrown to the bin. Simple as that.

How is a "false report" determined? Humans aren't looking at these. There's over 100 million players and people like me easily throw out 12+ reports a day.

Depends on the severity of the chat logs. If it were excessive & contains multiple key points such as calling them names or "report __", it would an easy mark & will be flagged. So far that's what I usually know imo, judging from the multiple "I got Permabanned" threads I have read.

How can you be negative verbally if you aren't taking? The other situations you described were AFK, which is its own category and Feeding, which is also its own category.

"Besides talking crap". And when I wrote "negative activity", it would literally refers to the AFK & Intentionally feeding situation.

No chat = reports/bans go down huge.

Oh, yes that would be a high possibility. But the fact that making the guy receiving a permachat instead of permabanned would only make the first situation worse than the latter since the permachat can induce AFK & Intentionally Feeding from frustrated teammates. Better not have them here after the 4 chances they've received in the past.

I might flame on someone, but I'm not leaving because leaverbuster sucks and feeding is too obvious and likely to get me reported by the other team as well.

AFK/Feeding are currently seen now, so I'm not seeing the connection.

It may be your own best opinion, but it would not speak for the other thousand permabanned players. Not everyone out there can have a strong resistance as you do.

Doesn't mean anything, if it's true, since there is no way to prove it. You are already showing signs of passive-aggressive behavior.

I'm only describing what I know about the punishment system since I have many others besides yourself calling me a "White Knight", "Keyboard Warrior", or as you call me, a RBSC. It's not about me being passive aggressive, it's just that those reading this just doesn't share the same opinion as mine. Or in other case, they refuse to acknowledge their behavior which got them punished.

Great Muta1 votes

It will be considered "False Reports", and will be thrown to the bin. Simple as that.

By who? The machine can't spot that and with 100 million players, humans aren't touching it unless a ticket is put in.

Depends on the severity of the chat logs. If it were excessive & contains multiple key points such as calling them names or "report __", it would an easy mark & will be flagged. So far that's what I usually know imo, judging from the multiple "I got Permabanned" threads I have read.

You can ask for a report for someone and the report is still legitimate. If every report was thrown out that had a "report x " phrase on it, few would get punished.

"Besides talking crap". And when I wrote "negative activity", it would literally refers to the AFK & Intentionally feeding situation.

AFK and feeding are their own separate categories. Letting report categories stack together would just lead to more punishments.

Oh, yes that would be a high possibility. But the fact that making the guy receiving a permachat instead of permabanned would only make the first situation worse than the latter since the permachat can induce AFK & Intentionally Feeding from frustrated teammates. Better not have them here after the 4 chances they've received in the past.

AFK's and feeding are still going strong after 6 seasons. Doesn't seem like that's going to change anytime soon.

I'm only describing what I know about the punishment system

So am I, and judging by some of your arguments, I would suggest doing more studying.

since I have many others besides yourself calling me a "White Knight", "Keyboard Warrior", or as you call me, a RBSC. It's not about me being passive aggressive, it's just that those reading this just doesn't share the same opinion as mine. Or in other case, they refuse to acknowledge their behavior which got them punished.

Let Rito handle it. This is passive-aggressive and toxic behavior.

BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

By who? The machine can't spot that and with 100 million players, humans aren't touching it unless a ticket is put in.

Refer to my other comment about the severity.

You can ask for a report for someone and the report is still legitimate. If every report was thrown out that had a "report x " phrase on it, few would get punished.

9 reports equal to 1, so technically, saying "report __" did nothing at all if the guy reports him anyway.

AFK and feeding are their own separate categories. Letting report categories stack together would just lead to more punishments.

You do know the report system post-game can select more than 1 report tick? Say the guy AFKs mid-game, he's legit for Unsportsmanlike Conduct & AFK tickbox. Or if it's the other, it'll be Unsportsmanlike Conduct & Intentionally Feeding.

So am I, and judging by some of your arguments, I would suggest doing more studying.

If I were wrong in any way, I should be permabanned years ago, and technically I never was.

Let Rito handle it. This is passive-aggressive and toxic behavior.

They don't read & respond to every punished player's threads, and this is why me & the other similar likes are here for. If they wanted a discussion, then the thread is open to all for solutions. If they don't want that, might as well submit a ticket to Riot Support instead of posting at Boards.

If you think that's what you think of me, by all means, go ahead & report the thread. See if it gets taken down or not is up to Rito's decision.

Great Muta1 votes

Refer to my other comment about the severity.

It's great for outright hate speech and stuff but most situations need human eyes and both sides of the story to make an accurate call.

9 reports equal to 1, so technically, saying "report __" did nothing at all if the guy reports him anyway.

Asking for reports gives you a better chance of getting at least 1 report and due to client issues, sometimes I don't get to report. It also gets you a better chance of getting the person you want reported to mouth off to others to have more justification for the report.

We also don't know how various reporting categories stack or coincide.

You do know the report system post-game can select more than 1 report tick? Say the guy AFKs mid-game, he's legit for Unsportsmanlike Conduct & AFK tickbox. Or if it's the other, it'll be Unsportsmanlike Conduct & Intentionally Feeding.

See - We also don't know how various reporting categories stack or coincide. Does it help/hurt/do nothing for getting punishments for people? Who knows.

If I were wrong in any way, I should be permabanned years ago, and technically I never was.

Took me over 3 years to get a ban on any account. Only takes 1 bad game or 1 bad day.

BeatzBoyFTW4 votes

It's great for outright hate speech and stuff but most situations need human eyes and both sides of the story to make an accurate call.

Like I said, only if there's an excessive use of key point words being seen & used, the flag makes the mark for punishment. So far from what I've seen in many permabanned threads, I never saw any threads which shows chat logs that only says one to 5 bad words maximum.

Asking for reports gives you a better chance of getting at least 1 report and due to client issues, sometimes I don't get to report. It also gets you a better chance of getting the person you want reported to mouth off to others to have more justification for the report.

I just said that even if 9 people reports this one guy in one game, it just matters as much as 1 report only. So technically, when people say things like "report nami for feeding", he's just asking others to point fingers mindlessly.

See - We also don't know how various reporting categories stack or coincide. Does it help/hurt/do nothing for getting punishments for people? Who knows.

My guess is that if his behavior fits any of the two categories, he gets one flag. Probably getting a certain number of flags will land him the punishment.

Took me over 3 years to get a ban on any account. Only takes 1 bad game or 1 bad day.

Reminder that you're on your 3rd, while mine such as this one is still unpunished.

Great Muta1 votes

Like I said, only if there's an excessive use of key point words being seen & used, the flag makes the mark for punishment. So far from what I've seen in many permabanned threads, I never saw any threads which shows chat logs that only says one to 5 bad words maximum.

I've seen some that have had some good cases for not deserving to be banned and some that haven't. But when you start going back 3, 5, 7, 10 or however many amount of games they do, it gives you more of a chance to find something.

I just said that even if 9 people reports this one guy in one game, it just matters as much as 1 report only. So technically, when people say things like "report nami for feeding", he's just asking others to point fingers mindlessly.

Asking 8 people to report someone increases the chances that one person actually does. Since we don't know where various report categories stand, it leaves it open to interpretation as to how it works.

My guess is that if his behavior fits any of the two categories, he gets one flag. Probably getting a certain number of flags will land him the punishment.

It's a guess. We just don't know, which is one of the many issues with the system. Very hard to defend any system where secrecy or non-clarity is involved.

Reminder that you're on your 3rd, while mine such as this one is still unpunished.

That's your choice if you want to only have one account. I chose to have 3. Some streamers have had over 15. Neither one of our stories have ended and there's always time.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

Honestly, I understand that RIOT THINKS they have have information that shows people lashing out in other ways if they're perm chat restricted but I don't think it's true for everyone. Either way though, the results will be the same. Eventually, these people would be perma banned anyway. So why add the extra step.

Great Muta1 votes

I haven't AFK'd in a negative fashion on purpose since Leaverbuster came about. I'd much rather get chat restricted than to ever sit through another leaverbuster.

Erfanz1 votes

I like how riot is attempting to be everyones mother and tell them how to behave. It's like when your baker gives you career advice, so great.

nerak231 votes

I like how riot is attempting to be everyones mother and tell them how to behave. It's like when your baker gives you career advice, so great.

It Is Riots Game and Riots Rules, So if you want to play a FREE game and not adhere to the TOS..Well, that is your choice.

It's like a company gives you a free game and you play by the rules or get punished. This has nothing to do with advice or your baker.

Master Vemira1 votes

Actually, I use autohotkey to disable my enter key while league is running. It's much easier to play the game when all my laners lose when I can't get triggered. Come voice chat though. Heh... If youre playing like a moron, you deserve to have it pointed out. And when you intentionally refuse to learn from your mistakes after having them pointed out and given advice, idc if you get terminal cancer.

OH, and if you intentionally go out of your way to prevent me and the team from winning, KYS. I won a literal 1v5 earlier, and they ffed after I got two of their players to RQ. My highest achieved rank my only be G3, but skillcapped =/= bancapped.

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