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THE VERDICT - EPISODE VI

ModUlanopo·6/22/2017, 2:20:06 AM·12 votes·938 views

Today we are going over the sixth set of chat logs volunteered to us. Review the logs, cast your vote, and discuss your decisions.

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    • Player/Teammates/Opponents

    Game 1:

    [0:09] [ALL] Udyr: 754 games with riven dammmm
    [0:18] Ziggs: welp
    [0:21] Ziggs: we're prob screwed then
    [0:36] Garen: we have udyr jungle
    [0:37] Garen: gg
    [1:12] Varus: ziggs why u do this
    [1:16] Udyr: ward pls
    [1:38] Ziggs: diidn't know you wante dto dive
    [2:58] Garen: ?
    [3:08] Udyr: wante dto stun my bad didnt saw ur igniote
    [6:04] Varus: gj keep it up team!
    [6:12] Varus: bot is free when im 6
    [7:50] Ziggs: why wuld you go in
    [7:56] Varus: morg dont play so aggro
    [7:59] Udyr: why would u leave us aw me at drake
    [8:02] Ziggs: uh
    [8:03] Ziggs: I had no mana
    [8:07] Ziggs: I pinged so many times..
    [8:14] Udyr: he was cming to me u just had to show urself so he stay mid
    [8:16] Udyr: is aw him
    [8:21] Udyr: i already started drake
    [8:27] Ziggs: drake had almost full hp
    [8:29] Ziggs: you ran towards him
    [8:37] Ziggs: and he won't be scared of a ziggs with no mana
    [8:55] Varus: pls back
    [9:09] Varus: y ping
    [9:18] Garen: back
    [9:19] Garen: hec inc
    [9:30] Varus: dont ping if ur not coming
    [9:32] Varus: i wasted ult
    [9:33] [ALL] Ziggs: lucky I lagged..
    [10:28] Udyr: dude how to come when u and morgana so low and no hp
    [10:49] Morgana: just ffs
    [10:52] Morgana: god
    [10:57] Morgana: so fking slow
    [11:44] Morgana: teehee
    [11:48] Udyr: freeze bot they cant farm and push
    [11:59] Ziggs: no
    [12:14] Ziggs: sigh
    [12:16] Ziggs: I told you no
    [12:18] Udyr: thiz ziiggs so bad
    [12:20] Ziggs: dude
    [12:21] Ziggs: I told you no
    [12:23] Ziggs: you're horrible
    [12:34] Udyr: 2 vs 1 and no lmao
    [12:37] Ziggs: you don't have any map prescence
    [12:38] Ziggs: yeah
    [12:40] Ziggs: and I died as a result
    [12:42] Ziggs: when I say no
    [12:43] Ziggs: you don't go in
    [12:54] Ziggs: don't blame it on me
    [12:57] Ziggs: it's 100% your fault
    [13:09] Udyr: u failed all ur skills
    [13:12] Ziggs: uh
    [13:14] Ziggs where
    [13:15] Udyr: i stune dhim and locked him doiwn
    [13:18] Udyr: hwo this is my fault lmao
    [13:21] Ziggs: and I hit him with my abilitites
    [13:24] Ziggs: cuz I said to not go in
    [13:26] Ziggs: and you went in
    [13:39] Ziggs: I typed it this time so you would see it
    [13:39] Udyr: i went kin cuz he used ghost and run to u noob
    [13:42] Udyr: muting u
    [13:47] Ziggs: you're the noob
    [13:55] Ziggs: literally can't read
    [14:01] Ziggs: play safe not aggro
    [14:48] Varus: morg pls ward bot side for me
    [15:19] Udyr: heca top
    [16:06] Garen: i can go bot
    [16:50] Ziggs: fk this lag
    [17:26] [ALL] Hecarim: i'm the villain?
    [18:36] Garen: gotta pop herald somewhere
    [21:30] Udyr: we gifting alld rakes i guess
    [22:17] Garen: ???
    [22:59] Varus: ziggs just say at tower and clear waves
    [23:06] Ziggs: I can't
    [23:09] Ziggs: everyone keeps taking them
    [23:31] [ALL] Karma: get owned kid
    [23:32] Garen: holy
    [23:47] [ALL] Ziggs: tilted from friggin udyr getting me killed 3 times in laning phase
    [23:55] Garen: ziggs please shut up
    [23:58] Ziggs: no
    [24:16] [ALL] Caitlyn: its udwire btw
    [24:27] Ziggs: I can't even farm
    [24:31] Ziggs: tf you want me to do
    [24:36] Garen: just sit mid
    [24:37] Garen: lmao
    [24:40] Ziggs: no...
    [24:58] Varus: just clear waves ziggs pls
    [25:01] Ziggs: I am
    [25:04] Ziggs: stop being toxic
    [25:15] Ziggs: half the waves are always taken by you guys before I can do anything
    [25:42] [ALL] Riven: i was so close
    [25:47] Garen: nice ult ziggs
    [25:47] [ALL] Ziggs: I hate you
    [26:04] Garen: i can tank
    [26:46] Varus: nice smite
    [26:54] Udyr: drake then mid
    [26:56] Udyr: ty
    [27:25] Varus: lets grp mid
    [28:45] Udyr: b
    [28:45] Garen: need to push bot as well
    [29:26] Varus: we can siege i ve ult
    [29:31] Varus: im gonna ult mid laner
    [30:23] Garen: ult
    [30:23] Varus: ....
    [30:31] Morgana: nice
    [30:31] Garen: thought varus would ult earlier lol
    [30:34] Morgana: why u guys
    [30:36] Varus: its best that we stay together
    [30:37] Morgana: dive
    [30:40] Morgana: tell me why
    [30:50] Varus: and not get cocky and start doing 3v5 fight....
    [31:04] Garen: it was 3v3
    [31:08] Udyr: need 300g
    [31:09] Garen: we thought we could 2 3 split
    [31:09] Garen: lol
    [31:26] Varus: ....
    [31:27] Garen: im just gonna peel from now
    [31:37] Morgana: wtf
    [31:41] Garen: just defend
    [31:46] Morgana: sit and play
    [31:46] Morgana: fker
    [32:07] Udyr: ziggs ulti
    [32:58] Morgana: fight him
    [33:31] [ALL] Ziggs: LAG
    [33:35] Varus: can we group as 5
    [33:46] Udyr: ziggs trolling he literaly didnt even help me
    [33:50] Ziggs: Im lagging
    [33:55] Garen: ult
    [33:59] Garen: damnmnn
    [34:16] Udyr: lets team fight
    [34:26] Ziggs: lagging rly hard
    [34:59] Garen: im peeling
    [35:29] Garen: wait for
    [35:30] Garen: ziggs
    [36:03] Ziggs: LAG
    [36:06] Ziggs: LAG
    [36:08] Ziggs: LAG
    [36:39] Garen: fuck cait holy
    [36:55] Udyr: ziggs diying with hes ulti up
    [37:00] Udyr: we wont get to anywhere
    [37:01] Varus: zigs ult
    [37:03] Morgana: zig
    [37:10] Udyr: dude
    [37:12] Udyr: 1 q lmao
    [37:28] Udyr: baorn had 40 hp
    [37:33] Morgana: nice waste of sperm mid laner
    [37:35] Garen: i tunnel visiond
    [37:50] Morgana: go fking lose now
    [37:56] Morgana: trash can
    [37:57] Ziggs: LAG
    [38:04] Udyr: too heavy toc arry thsi dude
    [38:08] Morgana: such a dog
    [38:12] Ziggs: im lagging
    [38:24] Varus: 200 for ga
    [38:27] Garen: thanks for losing us the game ziggs
    [38:31] Garen: literally so free
    [38:32] Ziggs: I
    [38:32] Ziggs: was
    [38:33] Ziggs: lagging
    [38:34] Ziggs: you
    [38:35] Ziggs: assholes
    [38:40] Ziggs: what do you want me to do about lag
    [38:46] Udyr: get a pc
    [39:10] Ziggs: nothing I can do bout lag
    [39:19] Udyr: srry garen
    [39:27] Udyr: u did a great job
    [39:31] Udyr: morgana too
    [39:39] Ziggs: yeah balem em
    [39:41] Ziggs: n1
    [39:43] [ALL] Hecarim: BOOM
    [40:28] Morgana: wtf\
    [40:31] Morgana: dc
    [42:15] Garen: NO
    [42:23] Garen: ziggs awve
    [43:47] Udyr: garen if u have extra gold sell boots and buy zz rot
    [43:48] Garen: can we get baron
    [43:48] Varus: ill look for ult on vik
    [43:53] Garen: i need boots
    [43:53] Varus: just kill him first
    [43:55] Garen: i cant catch up
    [44:21] Udyr: we canrt baron
    [44:46] Garen: \FUCK
    [44:52] Ziggs: LAG
    [44:56] Morgana: teheee
    [45:00] Garen: yep
    [45:02] Ziggs: literally
    [45:03] Ziggs: lagged out
    [45:06] Udyr: fking ziigs
    [45:07] Ziggs: and the screen froze
    [45:09] Garen: please stop playing this game
    [45:10] Ziggs: I lagged out
    [45:10] Garen: please
    [45:11] Ziggs: you asshole
    [45:17] Ziggs: I can't help if I'm lagging
    [45:22] Ziggs: literally nothing I can do
    [45:38] Ziggs: so quit blaming me for sht I can't fix
    [45:54] [ALL] Hecarim: gg
    [45:54] [ALL] Varus: gg
    [45:56] [ALL] Garen: report ziggs
    [45:56] [ALL] Udyr: gg
    [45:56] [ALL] Karma: that useless garen
    What say you?
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    NEUTRAL
    NEGATIVE
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    18 Comments

    OnlyYouCanHearMe6/24/2017, 1:45:04 AM8 votes

    This is one of those situations where what the chat logs say, and my opinion of them, don't completely add up. Just looking at the logs, I have to vote negative. Taking all context out, Ziggs does tell his teammates that they are assholes, calls one of them horrible, puts a lot of blame onto that player and spends a lot of time arguing with his team. Just at face value, that's negative.

    But, it also seems like he wouldn't have done that if his teammates hadn't started feeding his lane and raging at him first. And there is a lot of raging at him. People cry lag all the time. Sometimes it's real, sometimes it's fake. No way to tell whether he was really lagging or not now, though in game, he certainly could have pinging his ping to prove it. But even if he wasn't lagging, the amount of abuse he took from Udyr, Garen and Morgana was entirely unnecessary. Varus is the only person on the team who was being positive. This is one of those situations that while I have to vote negative, I do have a large amount of sympathy for the Ziggs for what he had to deal with in the match. Granted, this is also the reason why we have a mute button. If he would have muted his teammates and simply stopped hearing the things they were saying, he would have been MUCH less likely to respond back to them (which is where he became toxic) and would likely not have gotten the rest of his team even angrier. It probably would have kept him from being reported too. This is a textbook case of why so many of us beg players to simply /mute their teammates and not respond.

    BlueThingamajig6/22/2017, 2:28:22 PM5 votes

    Udyr definitely started the problems with [12:18] Udyr: thiz ziiggs so bad

    Initially, Ziggs had a few fair arguments (oom, miscommunication). But later, Ziggs completely flipped out. There was a strong "I'm getting attacked! I'm getting attacked by everyone!" vibe from the Ziggs player. Lashing out at every perceived attack (Certainly, the Garen and Morg weren't helping things, but it seems the Ziggs player lost track of who to be upset at.

    [24:58] Varus: just clear waves ziggs pls [25:01] Ziggs: I am [25:04] Ziggs: stop being toxic

    Frankly, Varus is probably the only person that stayed neutral/positive during the game. If I were Varus, I would've reported Ziggs and Udyr, and would seriously consider reporting Morgana and Garen too. I voted negative.

    Terozu6/22/2017, 2:26:03 AM4 votes

    He started good, but then got ticked off at the dumb Udyr, he should've muted him if they were being assholes. So Neutral vote. Oh and at 25:42 Riven is in white, not red like it should be. Good work keep it up! :)

    SavageConcordia6/22/2017, 3:29:39 AM3 votes

    [12:20] Ziggs: dude [12:21] Ziggs: I told you no [12:23] Ziggs: you're horrible

    Comments like this don't help anyone in game

    [38:32] Ziggs: I [38:32] Ziggs: was [38:33] Ziggs: lagging [38:34] Ziggs: you [38:35] Ziggs: assholes [38:40] Ziggs: what do you want me to do about lag

    I think they got it from the million other times you told them. Calling your teammates assholes is probably not the best way to garner sympathy and get them to play around your poor internet connection.

    [45:11] Ziggs: you asshole [45:17] Ziggs: I can't help if I'm lagging

    They know you are lagging at this point but you have been frequently combative with them so they have no sympathy for you. If you hadn't insulted Udyr early and often he would have probably given you some level of pass for lag but because of your early behavior the whole team was looking for a reason to be mad at you and the lag gave them the perfect opportunity.

    K0SMOS6/22/2017, 4:09:48 PM3 votes

    I feel a strong defensive stance coming from this ziggs player due to the pressure from his team in the early stages of this game. I feel the udyr was absulutely negative to this ziggs and the rest of the team with the exception f varus gradually went against him blaming him for their loss. However he also did overreact towards the middle of the game when we see him in his most defensive state, but who can blame him as it would be extremely hard to stay positive in that enviorment. Overall for me this game was negative.

    General Esdeath 6/25/2017, 5:52:51 AM2 votes

    Gonna go positive on this one only because he didn't act toxic out of nowhere, Udyr keeps flaming him. I think he should mute next time though.

    Friendly Ram6/22/2017, 4:56:08 AM2 votes

    started off neutral and just devolved from there.

    HowPlayGAEM6/22/2017, 4:48:24 PM2 votes

    I voted positive because you have to be extremely positive to not ragequit when all these scumbags relentlessly attack you.

    Also no, nobody believes you when you die and say "lag". Are you guys 12 years old? Nobody believed that excuse 10 years ago, and nobody believes it now.

    How Do You Meta6/24/2017, 1:22:51 PM2 votes

    I had games when I was in Zigg's position where I just get overwhelmed and my teammates flame at me for not magically winning, but instead of retaliating I just mute anyone raging at me or sometimes the entire team. Putting people in their place is not my job, I am aware that people have bad games, including myself.

    SparklingLama6/22/2017, 2:25:37 AM1 votes

    once he said you're horrible. thats negative already, it was okay up to that point.

    KoKoboto6/22/2017, 6:27:40 PM1 votes

    Neutral. Using sentence enhancers doesn't make any less or more negative if you ask me. He said he was lagging yet his team kept trying to play and wouldn't stop. He gets flamed than. I would call them assholes too because they were being assholes lol.

    zafey6/23/2017, 11:48:15 AM1 votes

    is it possible for us to see death time stamps? it would be helpful. also, this is why you don't play with a toaster.

    Imperial Pandaa6/22/2017, 4:21:39 AM1 votes

    Overall, negative. He antagonized his team, starting with Udyr. It just kind of snow balled from there. I personally don't like the spamming of "LAG" either, especially in all caps. a simple ping of your ping and maybe a "Hey, I'm lag spiking." would be more than sufficient.

    Other comments could be made about the team, but we are focusing on Ziggs.

    Jo0o6/22/2017, 1:48:00 PM1 votes

    Replied to his negative teammates, didn't get too negative himself. I went Neutral.

    Did somebody call for a dive at level 1? Odd.

    ModPeriscope6/22/2017, 4:37:51 AM1 votes

    It just seems that with negative players, there's always a point where they go from helpful or neutral chat to toxic chat. For me, this Ziggs starts going negative at 12:23, when he insults Udyr. And for me, it really doesn't seem to let up. I suppose his lag chat is debatable, and difficult to discern without being in game. But if I'm lagging, I would be more apologetic and less attempting to use it as an excuse for poor play.

    At any rate, the team would have benefitted by muting Ziggs after 12:57, when he blames Udyr once again.