@Tantram Is this 14 day ban justified?

AnataBakka··1 votes·693 views

First the chat logs: https://i.imgur.com/2rz2rEO.png https://imgur.com/2UJr53j.png https://imgur.com/q9uh6DS.png support answer https://imgur.com/khluB3Q.png

In case you need google translate: Partita 1 Euforico: ma Euforico: non aveva già flashato Euforico: diocane Euforico: eh lo stavo per scrivere Euforico: COSA Euforico: NON HA FATTO L'ANIMAZIONE DELL'ESPLOSIONE Euforico: ma Euforico: me lo spiegihi Euforico: come cazzo è sopravvissuto quel figlio di puttana Euforico: fosse facile a quella distanza Euforico: stavo solo cercando di rallentarla Euforico: per poi magari ucciderla Euforico: op Euforico: loro hanbno un jungler Euforico: vi9eni Euforico: beh si Euforico: ma solo io vedo robe nere volare ogni tanto? Euforico: porcamadonna ti posso sputare dall'altra parte e quel frocio bastardo mi stunna Euforico: minchia che nervi fa venire Euforico: quanti salti fa Euforico: diotroia Euforico: si Euforico: ciao Euforico: 2 km Euforico: le alzassero il cd di quello schifo Euforico: bella Euforico: quando muto la gente gioco meglio Euforico: in che senso Euforico: ah si annulla se ti mangio Euforico: mentre sta creando il campo Euforico: 2 Euforico: si ha oneshottato la torre Euforico: bella Euforico: counterplay Euforico: lo so Euforico: ma sulle torri mi sembra un pò eccessivo Euforico: procoidio Euforico: ma si leva dal cazzo quel frocio Euforico: c'è un luime dall'inizio Euforico: perchè ti sei sputato Euforico: se clicchi a terra si Euforico: no Euforico: sei stato tu Euforico: ora che spawni ti mangio Euforico: tu non cliccare niente Euforico: se ti mangio e camminiamo verso i nemici andiamo piùà veloci Euforico: per questo ti ho mangiato per chasare camille prima Euforico: però ti sei sputato Euforico: ma perchèp te ne sei andato Euforico: non dico la Euforico: ah dici al drago?

Here's my translation: Game 1 Euforico: but Euforico: didn't he already flash Euforico: goddog Euforico: eh i was going to write it Euforico: WHAT Euforico: IT DIDN'T DO THE ANIMATION OF THE ESPLOSION Euforico: but Euforico: can you explain it to me Euforico: how the fuck did he survive that son of a bitch Euforico: as if it had been easy at that distance Euforico: i was just trying to slow her Euforico: so then i could maybe kill her Euforico: op Euforico: they've got a jungler Euforico: come Euforico: well yes Euforico: but am i the only one seeing black things flying once in a while? Euforico: piggodmother i can spit you to the other side and that f*g bastard stuns me Euforico: fuck what nerves he gives me Euforico: how many jumps he's doing Euforico: godbitch Euforico: yes Euforico: see ya Euforico: 2 km Euforico: if they had increased the cd of that disgust Euforico: nice Euforico: when i mute people i play better Euforico: what do you mean Euforico: ah it cancels if i eat you Euforico: while he's creating the field Euforico: 2 Euforico: ofc he shotted the turret Euforico: nice Euforico: counterplay Euforico: i know Euforico: but to the turrets it seems a bit excessive Euforico: piggod Euforico: but will he move out of the way that f*g Euforico: there's a ward since the beginning Euforico: why did you spit yourself Euforico: if you click on the earth yes Euforico: no Euforico: it was you Euforico: now that you're spawning i'll eat you Euforico: you don't click anything Euforico: if i eat you and we walk towards the enemies we go faster Euforico: that's why i ate you for chasing camille previously Euforico: but you spit yourself Euforico: why did you go away Euforico: i don't mean there Euforico: ah you mean at the dragon?

Support: Ciao Evocatore, [5:30] Euforico (Tahm Kench): diocane [12:35] Euforico (Tahm Kench): come cazzo è sopravvissuto quel figlio di puttana [21:41] Euforico (Tahm Kench): porcamadonna ti posso sputare dall'altra parte e quel frocio bastardo mi stunna [23:56] Euforico (Tahm Kench): diotroia [37:18] Euforico (Tahm Kench): procoidio [37:44] Euforico (Tahm Kench): ma si leva dal cazzo quel frocio Se silenzi gli altri giocatori non significa questi non possano leggere quello che scrivi, a meno che loro non silenzino te. In ogni caos non fa alcuna differenza, queste frasi sono una violazione delle Condizioni d'Uso: https://euw.leagueoflegends.com/it/legal/termsofuse Inoltre in italiano a altre lingue o a chi tu possa scrivere non rappresenta una giustificazione. Questo utilizzo della chat non è tollerato e la sospensione di 14 giorni non verrà rimossa. Inoltre se ripeterai questi comportamenti potresti ricevere una sospensione permanente.

And my translation: Hello Summoner, [5:30] Euforico (Tahm Kench): godpig [12:35] Euforico (Tahm Kench): how the fuck did he survive that son of a bitch [21:41] Euforico (Tahm Kench): piggodmother i can spit you to the other side and that f*g bastard stuns me [23:56] Euforico (Tahm Kench): godbitch [37:18] Euforico (Tahm Kench): piggod [37:44] Euforico (Tahm Kench): but will he move out of the way that f*g If you silence the other players it doesn't mean these cannot see what you write, unless they silence you. In any case there's no difference, these phrases are a violation of the Terms of Use: https://euw.leagueoflegends.com/it/legal/termsofuse Also in italian or in other languages or at who you may be writing does not represent a justification. This use of the chat is not tolerable and the suspension of 14 days will not be removed. Also if you would repeat these behaviours you could receive a permanent suspension.

Why am i here: I'm not Euforico. I just speak for him because i've read a lot of player behaviour posts (most of Tantram ones) and i don't feel like these chat logs go in any situation i've seen on the boards. Most of these insults are directed toward the religion (it's an usual thing in italy and people don't hate you for it, unless they're a fanatic), and towards enemy players. These chat logs were written only in the team chat where Euforico was speaking with his friend (which isn't me). Now. Can people in the team feel insulted if you insult other people? Other than the supposing fact that they didn't understand anything Euforico was saying, and there was someone who kept telling him to speak in english (and he was probably the one who reported Euforico) and that Euforico muted his entire team other than his friend so he didn't go into any trouble (he had already gotten a 14 day ban and until now, for 3 months, he muted everyone to not rage), can one report another if they weren't the one getting insulted? The only thing, only, that had something to do with the team is "they've got a jungler". All the other insults to the enemy champions (which they didn't hear) are: religious, f*g and bastard. The only ones who might have gotten insulted are, fanatic religious people and gay people.

This post is the same thing i would do if it was an unjustified ban directed to me, so feel free to look at this ban as if it were mine. There was another friend that got banned for saying kys so he deserved it but i don't feel this one does.

If you feel this ban is justified i would like to ask if it had been in these situations: Let's say all the above was written directly in the friend's chat (not on the team's), that friend for some reason reported Euforico. Would he have gotten banned? I write "i hope that fucking enemy kills himself" in my team chat. Can i get banned? PS: I'm asking stuff here because i know player support is stubborn most of the times. I had a personal trouble with them and i needed to ask 5 different supports before i had my request resolved, while the first 4 told me "there's nothing wrong, i'll close this ticket now", and the 5th excused himself for the late resolve.

26 Comments

Jo0o9 votes

I think you're translating this as softly as possible.

The repeated use of "gay" as a noun makes me pretty sure that the better English translation of "frocio" would be closer to a slur. Additionally, all of the "piggod", "godbitch", "piggodmother" etc. all may not have a perfect English translation, but I don't think I'm out of line in assuming that this is extremely incendiary.

These logs are clearly meant to insult other players with as much vitriol as Euforico was capable of summoning. Banning them is the obvious reaction. If you aren't Euforico, I haven't the slightest idea why this is the wagon you want to hitch yourself to.

AnataBakka1 votes

aye sorry for the frocio thing, i didn't think it's so insulting to others, i used it a lot when i was young xD

other than that i still don't see this being directed toward allies/does who can read what's he saying

can they really feel offended if this is written against someone else?

ps: i posted this because i read a lot of the boards as i said in the OP and i've read other cases, and this one doesn't go in them

Rayjay Redfang7 votes

I translated "frocio" from Italian using three different translators including one of my most trusted translators that was recommended by the head of my language department. Everytime it translated to f%%%%t which is a bannable word. Additionally it lists it as an offensive word.

AnataBakka1 votes

oh, yea does seem that way, mb, i thought it was a synonim for gay. I'll edit the traslation

ps: is it banable if the one to which it's redirected doesn't hear it?

ModThe Djinn4 votes

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oh, yea does seem that way, mb, i thought it was a synonim for gay. I'll edit the traslation

If that is the translation it is indeed a zero-tolerance phrase, and leads to an immediate 14-day ban.

Additionally, using gay as an insult is not acceptable, neither is insulting other players. Those behaviors would have earned you a punishment, but it's the use of slurs that is increased it to a 14-day ban.

AnataBakka1 votes

so it doesn't matter that it was used against the enemies? just for using it? just cause the team was able to read it?

ModThe Djinn5 votes

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so it doesn't matter that it was used against the enemies? just for using it? just cause the team was able to read it?

Exposing anyone is a game to toxic language or behavior, whether or not that behavior is directed against them, is not acceptable. So correct, the use of that language is punishable regardless of who you were using it against or whether the target of your insults could read it.

AnataBakka1 votes

i guess i should not become a lawyer in the future xD

just for not knowing the correct translation i got fucked up lol i knew that english word shouldn't be told, and i didn't think the italian one went to it.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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i guess i should not become a lawyer in the future xD

just for not knowing the correct translation i got fucked up lol i knew that english word shouldn't be told, and i didn't think the italian one went to it.

Again, you were using a word you thought meant "gay" as an insult. Calling something "gay" as an insult is still not acceptable, and would have gotten you punished anyway. As would insulting people in general.

AnataBakka1 votes

ah. wait, this gets me to my different situations i put in the op

I write "i hope that fucking enemy player kills himself" in my team chat. Can i get banned?

and still, these insults don't seem like anything to me

between friends we say a lot "ma sei frocio? perchè hai fatto questo?" "are you f*g? why did you do this?" as a different way for "stupid"

maybe i should learn what other people understand from what i'm saying xD

ModThe Djinn4 votes

{quoted}I write "i hope that fucking enemy player kills himself" in my team chat. Can i get banned?

Yes. Wishing or encouraging harm on other players is a zero-tolerance behavior.

and still, these insults don't seem like anything to me

Some people don't consider calling someone the n-word to be offensive. That doesn't change the fact that it's hate speech. You can't just throw aside the decades-old hatred behind the word by saying "but I don't mean it that way."

Also, that aside, they are still insults, and insulting other players is not allowed.

between friends we say a lot "ma sei frocio? perchè hai fatto questo?"

If you have four other friends on your team and you say that in team chat and team chat only you'll be fine, as you will not be reported. When you expose other players to that behavior and they find it offensive, you can be punished.

"are you f*g?" -- as a different way for "stupid"

And this is why it's hate speech. You are using a homophobic slur -- i.e. language meant to disparage someone for their sexuality -- as a synonym for "stupid," which directly equates their sexual preference with stupidity. It is offensive language rooted in disdain and hatred for someone different than yourself, and that is, at its core, the definition of hate speech.

AnataBakka1 votes

damn, i didn't think you could make me understand stuff lol. thx (damn is not wrong right? someone started raging when i said damn once)

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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damn, i didn't think you could make me understand stuff lol. thx

Heh. Always happy to help! I'd always rather help a player avoid a permanent ban then tell them why they WERE permanently banned. Best of luck to you out there on the rift!

(damn is not wrong right? someone started raging when i said damn once)

Non-derogatory cursing is fine, as long as it's not targeted at a player. Damn, shit, fuck, hell, bloody hell, etc are all perfectly acceptable if used right ("Fuck that was a great play" or "Fuck Katarina. That ult is stupid" are totally okay. "Fuck you" or "Shut the fuck up" or "You fucking scrub" are NOT okay). Some players may not like cursing, and if it bothers them it might be worth dialing it back a bit, but as long as you're not using derogatory language or using it to belittle or insult other players you're in the clear. :)

Rayjay Redfang1 votes

That is correct. It is still directed at someone, and in non face to face communication, how people interpret things is different than normal conversation.

Hμghes1 votes

someone is triggered #gaylord

ModThe Djinn6 votes

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someone is triggered #gaylord

More like someone is trying to help another player not receive future punishments for their chat behavior. :)

Hμghes1 votes

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Ashen Rider2 votes

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Bruh, other servers exist.

Totally Not Jinx1 votes

Hello there! I've edited out the quoted part of your comment as it did not fit in with the Universal Rules; the quoted comment was disrespectful and against the Golden Rule. If you have questions, feel free to talk to us in the The Boards Moderation Discord or the Discuss the Boards sub-board.

Hμghes1 votes

Against the Golden Rule? Totally being an Asshole is acceptable but calling them out is racism? You're kidding me right?

Who wants their chat spamed in an unknown language, even worse if theres more then 1 doing it?

Totally Not Jinx1 votes

You're welcome to bring your concerns to the Discord, and I'd be happy to answer them there.

P3rspective1 votes

Calling someone a %%% repeatedly is more than likely what caused the ban.

AnataBakka1 votes

that someone was the enemy team, and since the stuff was written in the team's chat i don't think the enemy team got offended

P3rspective1 votes

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that someone was the enemy team, and since the stuff was written in the team's chat i don't think the enemy team got offended

It doesn't matter if they got offended or not, it's based on the automatic system identifying keywords like that, which likely caused the ban.

AnataBakka1 votes

exactly

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