Removing the chat feature from my client. Please.

CaptainB00·Mar 10, 2019·1 votes·2,250 views

The chat is worth absolutely nothing to me. I hate the chat feature. Nothing good comes out of it. I want to disable it when I play Ranked games. I would never get in trouble again. EVER.

I want it removed from my client.

I don't want to enter champ select and see my Jungler saying "oh no, i am autofilled, i dont know how to jungle" in a Ranked game. Then if I say, I have already dodged a few times today and my dodge timer is at 30+ mins..... if I beg anyone to dodge, and they refuse to dodge and wait 5 minutes.... now I am creating a negative environment according to Riot and I will be punished as soon as they report me.

I don't want to be in-game, and see a super toxic troll on my team, start badmouthing me for absolutely no reason. I load into the game, walk to my tower before minions spawn.... and I said that I liked our team comp, and then the troll tells me "shut up dweeb" and then calls me a fool and keeps being mean to me for no reason. If I type back to him, I get in trouble by Riot, because context never matters to Riot.

I don't want to be playing Top lane, and I go B to fountain, and then I see my enemy top is MIA... so I ping MIA. I notice our Mid has no wards up, so I ping MIA and warning pings to Mid. He ignores the pings, dies to a Top-Mid duo gank, feeding my enemy laner that I've been beating up to now.. and then my Mid blames me anyway and says why didn't I follow enemy top to Mid.

I hate the chat feature. Nothing good comes out of it. I want to disable it when I play Ranked games. I would never get in trouble again. EVER.

Do you think Riot can disable the feature for my account? Or give me a 1,000 game chat restriction with 0/0 messages?

I just want to play the game and not know a damn thing about autofilled Junglers, or clueless teammates blaming the wrong people, or even being tempted at typing "negative"things in chat.

To me, the chat feature is simply a breeding ground for abuse in the report system. I feel like the people being punished the most, are competitive people who use the Chat feature. They say something considered toxic or negative, and now that's it. If they only NEVER used chat, they could literally troll games and nothing would happen to them.

I hate the chat feature so much. I want to remove it from my client.

8 Comments

rujitraMar 10, 20195 votes

It is not Riot's job to ensure you have self control, and Riot is not going to inconvenience or handicap other players because you can't control yourself. Riot provides you with the mute and report features to remove the chat of any player you are not happy with how they are using it.

Umbral RegentMar 10, 20195 votes

Being frank, chat (communication in general) is a pretty huge necessity to League, so no, there's not going to be an option of removing the chat or having your account effectively muted for 1,000 games.

In each of these cases, you're blaming Riot for how the system works rather than understanding why it works that way and seeing that the problem is in your behavior, and not the system.

I don't want to enter champ select and see my Jungler saying "oh no, i am autofilled, i dont know how to jungle" in a Ranked game. Then if I say, I have already dodged a few times today and my dodge timer is at 30+ mins..... if I beg anyone to dodge, and they refuse to dodge and wait 5 minutes.... now I am creating a negative environment according to Riot and I will be punished as soon as they report me.

Nobody is obligated to dodge just because you don't like the situation in the pre-game lobby. If you really think that the match should be dodged, you dodge it. Asking other people to dodge for you is lazy, and, yes, negative behavior. There are other ways to approach the situation than calling for people to dodge for you.

Have you considered trying to coordinate with the team to see where the autofilled player normally plays, and seeing which other player in the team could switch roles with them? Have you considered biting the bullet and offering to switch roles yourself? Have you considered encouraging the autofilled player to play a noob-friendly/easy/low-skill-intensive Champion to counterbalance their lack of knowledge of the role?

If all you do is either dodge or ask others to dodge for you, you're not really going to get anywhere. You need to learn how to better approach those such situations, because, yes, asking other people to dodge for you is not good behavior.

I don't want to be in-game, and see a super toxic troll on my team, start badmouthing me for absolutely no reason. I load into the game, walk to my tower before minions spawn.... and I said that I liked our team comp, and then the troll tells me "shut up dweeb" and then calls me a fool and keeps being mean to me for no reason. If I type back to him, I get in trouble by Riot, because context never matters to Riot.

If you're simply positing that you like your composition/setup whatever, and someone starts harassing you and being toxic, mute them. As soon as you see them say "shut up dweeb" or anything similar, mute them. And I would encourage to go the whole nine yards and fullmute them, because odds are high that they'd just as quickly abuse the ping system as they would the chat.

If you type back to them and get yourself into a flame war, yes, of course context isn't going to matter. It doesn't matter if they started it, you participated, and you made the rest of your team deal with two flamers instead of just the one. Don't engage flamers, it's never worth it.

And remember; Mute, report, move on.

I don't want to be playing Top lane, and I go B to fountain, and then I see my enemy top is MIA... so I ping MIA. I notice our Mid has no wards up, so I ping MIA and warning pings to Mid. He ignores the pings, dies to a Top-Mid duo gank, feeding my enemy laner that I've been beating up to now.. and then my Mid blames me anyway and says why didn't I follow enemy top to Mid.

Much the same. If they start flaming you, chewing you out, etc. for not being right there, a pixel beside your lane opponent, mute them. Don't respond to them, don't give them the time of day, just mute them, report them post-game, and play to your best ability.

I feel like the people being punished the most, are competitive people who use the Chat feature.

If they were truly competitive, they wouldn't be using the chat to fight their teammates. The argument of "people get punished for being competitive" is such a tired one that makes no sense whatsoever. If they're so competitive, so determined to win, why would they take actions that directly decrease their chances of winning?

If they only NEVER used chat, they could literally troll games and nothing would happen to them.

Trolls do get punished, with or without the use of chat. The issue is that detecting trolls is difficult, since one would have to determine intent; and, yes, that means that it takes much longer to detect a troll who doesn't speak compared to one who does. It's a known flaw, but that doesn't mean that nothing happens to trolls who don't use the chat.

CaptainB00Mar 10, 20191 votes

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Being frank, chat (communication in general) is a pretty huge necessity to League, so no, there's not going to be an option of removing the chat or having your account effectively muted for 1,000 games.

In each of these cases, you're blaming Riot for how the system works rather than understanding why it works that way and seeing that the problem is in your behavior, and not the system.

Nobody is obligated to dodge just because you don't like the situation in the pre-game lobby. If you really think that the match should be dodged, you dodge it. Asking other people to dodge for you is lazy, and, yes, negative behavior. There are other ways to approach the situation than calling for people to dodge for you.

Have you considered trying to coordinate with the team to see where the autofilled player normally plays, and seeing which other player in the team could switch roles with them? Have you considered biting the bullet and offering to switch roles yourself? Have you considered encouraging the autofilled player to play a noob-friendly/easy/low-skill-intensive Champion to counterbalance their lack of knowledge of the role?

If all you do is either dodge or ask others to dodge for you, you're not really going to get anywhere. You need to learn how to better approach those such situations, because, yes, asking other people to dodge for you is not good behavior.

If you're simply positing that you like your composition/setup whatever, and someone starts harassing you and being toxic, mute them. As soon as you see them say "shut up dweeb" or anything similar, mute them. And I would encourage to go the whole nine yards and fullmute them, because odds are high that they'd just as quickly abuse the ping system as they would the chat.

If you type back to them and get yourself into a flame war, yes, of course context isn't going to matter. It doesn't matter if they started it, you participated, and you made the rest of your team deal with two flamers instead of just the one. Don't engage flamers, it's never worth it.

And remember; Mute, report, move on.

Much the same. If they start flaming you, chewing you out, etc. for not being right there, a pixel beside your lane opponent, mute them. Don't respond to them, don't give them the time of day, just mute them, report them post-game, and play to your best ability.

If they were truly competitive, they wouldn't be using the chat to fight their teammates. The argument of "people get punished for being competitive" is such a tired one that makes no sense whatsoever. If they're so competitive, so determined to win, why would they take actions that directly decrease their chances of winning?

Trolls do get punished, with or without the use of chat. The issue is that detecting trolls is difficult, since one would have to determine intent; and, yes, that means that it takes much longer to detect a troll who doesn't speak compared to one who does. It's a known flaw, but that doesn't mean that nothing happens to trolls who don't use the chat.

None of this is easy to follow when you are trying your hardest to climb ELO, and doing well in every game, only to fall victim to Riot's Patented Win Streaks or Lose Streaks, to keep me at 50%. And don't tell me to "get better"... even the best players in the game at Challenger rank and above, have gone through 7 game losing streaks where NOTHING they do matters.

Combine that epic frustration.... to then have to mentally deal with the Chat feature, etc...

Let's say I play 50 games within 7 days. If within those 50 games, I said anything wrong in only 3 or 4 of those games... that's 3 or 4 reportable offenses in 1 week = punishment. Nevermind it was only 3 or 4 out of 50. Doesn't matter.

It's a recipe for driving someone crazy. I think my mental health is suffering from trying to sincerely climb ELO. Removing the chat feature from my client would solve everything.

Umbral RegentMar 10, 20193 votes

None of this is easy to follow when you are trying your hardest to climb ELO, and doing well in every game, only to fall victim to Riot's Patented Win Streaks or Lose Streaks, to keep me at 50%.

As a rule of thumb, if you perform better than average, you're more likely to climb. If you're having difficulty climbing, you may want to look to see if you can improve anywhere to increase your odds.

That said, though;

Combine that epic frustration.... to then have to mentally deal with the Chat feature, etc...

If you cannot handle difficulty climbing, then - all respect due - you may not be cut out for Ranked. It's a competitive gamemode, and it's going to be stressful.

If you cannot handle the presence of the chat and the possibility of misbehavior in it, you're free to use /muteall.

And if with everything you're signing on for, you're having difficulty keeping your composure, you should consider evaluating your problems and trying to figure out what you can do to alleviate them. It's not Riot's job to make absolutely sure the game plays exactly how you want it to - so if you want things to get better, you have to make it better for yourself.

Let's say I play 50 games within 7 days. If within those 50 games, I said anything wrong in only 3 or 4 of those games... that's 3 or 4 reportable offenses in 1 week = punishment.

If you're cramming 50-some games into 7 days, and misbehaving in enough games to merit a punishment, that should be a sign that you may need to tone down your play time and take some breaks. That's 7-8~ games a day, with roughly 4~ hours of the day spent playing League - even more problematic if it's four straight hours.

You can try to make whatever ratio you want to make the system seem overbearing, but the core of the issue is that you're misbehaving consistently enough throughout a week to merit a punishment. And that consistent misbehavior is a problem on your end, not Riot's.

It's a recipe for driving someone crazy. I think my mental health is suffering from trying to sincerely climb ELO.

Then take breaks. You have practically the whole year to climb in Ranked, so there's no reason to try and cram umpteen games into a single day, especially if it's proving taxing to your mental health and fortitude.

You see the problem, but you're not working to remedy it. Now's probably the best time to start.

rujitraMar 10, 20193 votes

Riot does not "try to keep you at 50%". Period. Riot increases or decreases your matchmaking rating until statistically you are at 50%.

Of course if you play 1000 games you'll have losing streaks sometimes, especially if you're getting frustrated like you do. That is not because of anything other than chance.

And it does matter how many games you play - but 3-4 out of 50 is still almost 10% of your games, which is well over the level of being a pattern. A bad, toxic game rarely is fine. 10% of your games being toxic is not.

CaptainB00Mar 10, 20191 votes

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Riot does not "try to keep you at 50%". Period. Riot increases or decreases your matchmaking rating until statistically you are at 50%.

Of course if you play 1000 games you'll have losing streaks sometimes, especially if you're getting frustrated like you do. That is not because of anything other than chance.

And it does matter how many games you play - but 3-4 out of 50 is still almost 10% of your games, which is well over the level of being a pattern. A bad, toxic game rarely is fine. 10% of your games being toxic is not.

4 of my past 5 games during a 5 game losing streak.

I main Tryndamere top.
4 games of feeders where nothing I do changes anything.

Riot manufactures these loss streaks. It's been known since the dawn of time. Everyone has complained about it.

Here is proof of 4 of my past 5 games.

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rujitraMar 10, 20192 votes

Riot is not the enemy jungler, they did not decide to camp you.

If you want to believe conspiracy theories (which 90%+ of the community understands are false), go ahead. But nobody is ever going to take your seriously.