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Perma Ban is a cruel punishment

InstaKill yi··4 votes·2,513 views

Is this perma ban really fair...this is the first thing i have said that is considered as negativity in 3 months where i play at least 5 hours per day..so out of atleast 400 hours of being a good player...in 20 mins i told some people who are flaming me that they are playing bad..and i was surprised that i got a perma ban just cuz i got 4 reports...''Because a player-triggered review found your in-game comms extremely inflammatory and offensive,your account's been permanently suspended'' ...so here are the chat logs everyone...Am i really ''extremely'' offensive like it says...enemy jungler was better than me...why do i get blamed by the whole team and then flamed and reported just because i am playing Yi..here is a screenshot of the results:https://p6.zdusercontent.com/attachment/43400/WEX1vw1bLRbWgG8GS2SRxTIwi?token=eyJhbGciOiJkaXIiLCJlbmMiOiJBMTI4Q0JDLUhTMjU2In0..r-l3VOaWLyDk3oDuEgpxig.qObUlusQ1HNcYTXbpmoTkrPSgA7nUHkLLeVqmVGwqZiTnpQeEolAfI5wHdtW-hSVr4zzfZakc4NfQAtJsvWRaHzvBMsizQJXA0eOCi9k1QLwcjTQayc27SR4u7-UREYQgjr94eDkYLLAE64Az8nKZSF4lD-bhhOmDirci1J_jufOZgDb86-AvMx1pk3LgZqMCZCYjJLQgEIxKn6zT7BcGKyXcUHzW7JD24VIYhN-kKV1979cGthEs5l6BCfsguNr6YwtnVBPLh_SRJtMEyvuoJ2FMZRlPBTFm8P8WRXmCYc.V-EGBhR45W2Rdb34ZJxhWA

and here is the chat log:

InstaKill yi: teemo just play InstaKill yi: yea just freeze lane InstaKill yi: see InstaKill yi: just stay under turr dude InstaKill yi: u know u will die InstaKill yi: u still go out InstaKill yi: afk farm? InstaKill yi: i just killed jhin InstaKill yi: yea if u dont like it InstaKill yi: shut up and play InstaKill yi: not my fault InstaKill yi: that u push InstaKill yi: and u know he will come InstaKill yi: so funny InstaKill yi: idc about u dude InstaKill yi: learn how to push InstaKill yi: its ur own fault for giving him 2 free kills InstaKill yi: if ur bad InstaKill yi: its not my fault :) InstaKill yi: that u feed rengar InstaKill yi: honestly am not wasting more time talking InstaKill yi: yea u will lose too InstaKill yi: sure InstaKill yi: with ur 0/5 InstaKill yi: rank easy InstaKill yi: yea am not feeding like u InstaKill yi: u just are on a so hurry to lkose InstaKill yi: teemo dude InstaKill yi: u exactly need to not talk InstaKill yi: u were 0/3 from the very start InstaKill yi: no InstaKill yi: he came at 3rd InstaKill yi: u have nothing to rep for InstaKill yi: u just cant play InstaKill yi: yea do report me 4x InstaKill yi: there is no such rep InstaKill yi: ur the ones trolling not me InstaKill yi: gg InstaKill yi: crying team InstaKill yi: :D

surprisingly i found another match in my chat logs where i have been joking around with my friend and the whole team was having fun..i was saying that i suck and telling my friend that he suck...i got 3 honors on that match...i got reported by enemy team because i am playing master Yi...so how is it fair to punish me for a match where i was joking with my friend and got 3 honors from my team...how am i extremely inflammatory and offensive...here is the chat log..judge it by yourselves...is what i said really offensive (when they called me useless and retarded) and is it worth a permanent ban...i am extremely depressed because of this..this is just a really cruel punishment..why riot does this..if it happened in rankeds which is most of the cases just ban me from playing rankeds or take my chat away for the rest of the season..but why do u take the whole game away from me...its the only place where i meet with my friends and i have put so much effort and time into it and i am not a racist or someone who curses others or wish them cancer or death like many others who flame....i had no idea that joking with a friend would be counted as well...how is it fair to punish me that hard for something i didnt know about and without any warnings...like it has been 3 months since my 14 days suspension and i was very close to getting level 1 honor...if i saw a warning message for example after 2nd match..maybe i would have avoided typing anything and just go with the /mute all since start but i tried to have hope that my team would stop blaming me and try to play and replied to ''retarded useless jng'' by ''shut up and play''..how am i the toxic one here..this system is really weird that it takes a chat between me and my friend and use it to ban me :( ....this just made me feel really bad of how injustice it is...permanent suspension is just too cruel to compare those few words to thousands of other hours....

28 Comments

ModThe Djinn5 votes

Out of curiosity, have you recently had a 14-day ban? If you were on that final warning, this sort of comment would likely push you over:

InstaKill yi: learn how to push InstaKill yi: its ur own fault for giving him 2 free kills InstaKill yi: if ur bad InstaKill yi: that u feed rengar InstaKill yi: with ur 0/5 InstaKill yi: yea am not feeding like u InstaKill yi: u just are on a so hurry to lkose InstaKill yi: u were 0/3 from the very start InstaKill yi: u just cant play InstaKill yi: crying team

The system doesn't take kindly to blaming your teammates or shaming them for a poor performance. We all have bad games, and we don't need those bad games rubbed in our faces like this.

KazaJhodo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hTUTJsyN,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-03T22:15:36.256+0000)

Out of curiosity, have you recently had a 14-day ban? If you were on that final warning, this sort of comment would likely push you over:

The system doesn't take kindly to blaming your teammates or shaming them for a poor performance. We all have bad games, and we don't need those bad games rubbed in our faces like this.

wow, thats not even remotely bad, haha- its fucking pg. The shit i've seen a million times in games is WAY worse. This is like kiddy time joke special.

Lol. Shame shame shame. Hit the fucking mute button and move on. ffs

Is this serious? Get rid of your gentle feelings. haha

Ok i'm done troling, this was just too funny. ubad TILT BAN LOL

Could we approach some serious topics that we actually can't do anything about? Like toxic fucking play? If this is the shit riot thinks is worth a rioter commenting on... ffs someone help this game.

ModThe Djinn8 votes

{quoted}If this is the shit riot thinks is worth a rioter commenting on... ffs someone help this game.

Me being a Rioter is news to me. Here I thought I was just a volunteer board moderator with a rather good understanding of the IFS's punishment criteria. Huh. The more you know!

DBS Ronovon4 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hTUTJsyN,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T00:30:53.606+0000)

Me being a Rioter is news to me. Here I thought I was just a volunteer board moderator with a rather good understanding of the IFS's punishment criteria. Huh. The more you know!

Yeah people think you're Riot, thanks for volunteering btw.

fatherdarius1 votes

LOL... what are the paychecks like?

How are the benefits? Cadillac Health Insurance Plan? :D :D

KazaJhodo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hTUTJsyN,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T00:30:53.606+0000)

Me being a Rioter is news to me. Here I thought I was just a volunteer board moderator with a rather good understanding of the IFS's punishment criteria. Huh. The more you know!

Oh, sorry then. Kill the messenger. I guess thats the dangers of representing. lol

Gabresol1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hTUTJsyN,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T00:30:53.606+0000)

Me being a Rioter is news to me. Here I thought I was just a volunteer board moderator with a rather good understanding of the IFS's punishment criteria. Huh. The more you know!

We need a "The more you know" Champion-Emote...

InstaKill yi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hTUTJsyN,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-03T22:15:36.256+0000)

Out of curiosity, have you recently had a 14-day ban? If you were on that final warning, this sort of comment would likely push you over:

The system doesn't take kindly to blaming your teammates or shaming them for a poor performance. We all have bad games, and we don't need those bad games rubbed in our faces like this.

it was 3 months ago..and no i dont like rubbing bad games to people at all...but i was being called useless and retarded by a person who is 0/9...and thats when i said :InstaKill yi: teemo dude InstaKill yi: u exactly need to not talk InstaKill yi: u were 0/3 from the very start InstaKill yi: no InstaKill yi: he came at 3rd InstaKill yi: u have nothing to rep for InstaKill yi: u just cant play

i dont think that replying back by this to ''useless and retarded'' makes me the toxic one here and gets me a perma...

yeulx4 votes

If someone is being toxic Riot gives you all the means to ignore them... the MUTE button.. just click that.. if you retaliate and start to argue or flame them back.. your no different than them even tho your doing it in self Defense its still Punishable... you can just report him as well after you muted him. tho to get a perma ban.. you had to have gone through MANY punnishments.. ive played since season 3 and ive NEVER been banned or anything

InstaKill yi1 votes

{quoted}

If someone is being toxic Riot gives you all the means to ignore them... the MUTE button.. just click that.. if you retaliate and start to argue or flame them back.. your no different than them even tho your doing it in self Defense its still Punishable... you can just report him as well after you muted him. tho to get a perma ban.. you had to have gone through MANY punnishments.. ive played since season 3 and ive NEVER been banned or anything

i have got all those punishments last season...this season was 14 days ban at the very start...so after a period of 3 months from my ban...how is that still called a warning

yeulx1 votes

The chat restrictions... the 14d ban are considered warnings... Like strike 1.. Strike 2.. Strike 3 Your out they gave you numerous times to correct yourself but you never did so the perm ban is the proper action to take against people who cant correct themselves

InstaKill yi1 votes

all those restrictions was on last season and they were for me saying really offensive words....dont you think that from this season to last one much time have passed and the most things i said is bad and feeding...how is this compared to being toxic..i got no warnings this season except that one from many months ago

yeulx1 votes

It doesnt matter if it was last season or not.. its overall for your account.. a different season doesnt mean your past actions are forgiven

InstaKill yi1 votes

well riot doesn't explain that at all till you get a ban...just how am i supposed to know what gives a ban and what doesn't...from my perspective before my first chat restriction : i though that i got a chat restriction because i replied back to someone who is flaming everyone..my second restriction was in a 3v3 match where i had 2 premades and one of them intentionally feeding then saying rep me in all chat thinking that its fun to troll people in 3v3 rankeds,so i said ''retarded premade'' and muted them..i do realize that that word wasn't necessary as it got me an unnecessary chat restriction...but how u look at it its always the ones like me who gets penalties while the ones who actually cause toxicity and start the thing doesnt get a ban..i cant see how is this fixing the problem..if i keep playing with normal people who doesnt flame i wont flame either and the match will be okay..but they ban me and keep the source and he will just do same thing to others and those others will get banned while he is safe because they are premades and they can give u more reports than what u give to them...its just unfair how this system works..and after all i though that if i tell someone that he is playing bad and stop blaming others at worse case scenario i'd get a chat restriction...i though that permanent is only for those who say things like ''kys'' or ''i hope you get cancer'' which i have never said

yeulx1 votes

no offence it should be common sense the system works like that because systems that have multiple ban Phases normally do. also just makesure you go read the ToS as well .. but yeah saying "kys or i hope you get cancer" get targeted right away from the system for 14 day bans or perma bans. not you dont need to say those to get a perma ban but if you do something to get punished in anyway an keep doing it naturally that means your an issue in the community and need to be removed.

InstaKill yi1 votes

first of all i didnt continue to do the same thing over my punishments... there was a punishment cuz i replied back to flamer (and naturally i wont realize that i am at fault here till riot tells me that they don't care about who started it)another punishment for saying ''retarded premades'' at that 3v3 match i mentioned so yes that single word gave me a punishment..some more time later someone who plays a troll tahm in ranked cuz he got autofilled as support and i refused to trade roles with him was trolling me and u know what a troll tahm is and then he says that i need to die by cancer cuz am playing yasuo...so i tried to be calm and not reply..but tell me how am i supposed to stop him from eating me and throwing me to enemy or feeding them in a ranked match..there is literally no other solution than going afk...i flamed him and got the 14 days suspension...i wont deny that i'd deserve that as riot doesnt care about the situation...and thats was the behavior i was banned for and after that i never flamed or replied back to flaming and i did go afk sometimes in situation like tahm to avoid saying anything toxic...so till this point how am i supposed to know that ''jokes'' or telling some one that he is bad is same as flaming...both of them were totally different in my mind and as usual i don't know till i actually get the ban

yeulx1 votes

You dont.. we cant do anything about it we just have to sit there suffer through it and move on.. and report them. its as simple as that.. and dont reply to flamers riot states this to everyone.. Just Mute and report them.. you have to be carefull with your words.. alot of words have started becoming super sensitive to league let alone society . and the thing is.. You dont tell someone they are bad.. because it basically is the same thing as flaming . Long story short if you cant keep it positive dont say anything at all.. i rarely talk in league unless im telling the team what to get

InstaKill yi1 votes

yes and what i am saying that its not fair to place a permanent ban over things i didn't know they would cause a permanent ban...any other suspension no matter how small it is would have made me realize that what i said right now is equivalent to flaming

SkaiBlade2 votes

I'm usually not rooting for those who got banned, because in most cases, they complain about being banned after saying things like "stfu and kys, I hope your autistic mom dies from cancer <etc etc etc>" and then they complain "I was having a bad day" or "I didn't flame for <insert timespan here>" etc.

But your case is actually one where I am puzzled. From looking at it, and assuming you actually provided the full honest chat log, I'd say, the "worst" things in this log are "shut up and play", "if ur bad its not my fault" and "u just cant play". And to be honest, that is far less than anything I'd consider punishable or even reportable. I wish "shut up" were the worst things my team mates said to me in many games, because that would hurt a lot less than what many actually say to me.

Well, it's not my decision to make, but maybe the support can help you about it. I hope you're able to resolve it, because I sincerely feel this punishment did not quite hit the right one. If anything, a 5 game restriction (and thus falling back to honor level 0 again) would be severe enough.

Silent Gravity1 votes

There was more than one game's log given to him. With his not posting the other game(s), it really reduces the potential for getting support from the forums.

[{quoted}](name=InstaKill yi,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hTUTJsyN,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-03T21:55:24.712+0000)

surprisingly i found another match in my chat logs if i saw a warning message for example after 2nd match

InstaKill yi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hTUTJsyN,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T04:17:59.561+0000)

There was more than one game's log given to him. With his not posting the other game(s), it really reduces the potential for getting support from the forums.

well the other one might be offensive but things i said there..was u suck or ur so bad...and it was between me and my friend jokingly..but i still didnt say anything like kys or fck u or wish someone cancer

KazaJhodo2 votes

Banning is a bit silly, when people have paid for things in the game. I mean, its fine- but its never actually required.

It would be far better to just move players into low elo faster, penalize with lp loss. This gives a chance for correction, the ability to still play the game, and all the trolls are in the bottom of elo anyways. Trolls won't have any fun trolling trolls.

The real problem is that they can just buy/start another account, and troll some more.

Until accounts are tied to phone numbers or something, this problem will always exist and there will never be a resolution- except to punish with massive lp losses for toxic play/behavior, whatever.

Personally I don't give a shit about toxic behavior, its mutable- its literally not a problem. One click, solved. Don't even react to it. Its insane to spend resources reacting to it, regardless of what anyone has to say about it. If something is solved with a click- don't dedicate anything else to it, its done. Focus on some more difficult issues.

The REAL problem is toxic play. This no one can control or combat- this is how trolls actually hold us captive in games. If you troll/feed, whatever, receive multiple reports for inting- you should just lose 100lp. Get the trolls where the rest of the trolls are in bronze 5. Save the rest of us and help the ladder achieve health quicker. None of us should have to deal with a fucktard threating to int if they don't get x, y or z. Its bullshit. We should not be held captive by the words of an idiot. Its insane for us to allow it.

If players know thats a possibility, just the threat of losing- or only being able to troll trolls... will force at least average play in games.

Thats why countries used to cut off hands for stealing. It wasn't because they liked cutting off hands. It was because the threat of such an extreme penalty for such a minor thing forces it to be taken very seriously. On a grand scale, theft is an extreme issue. Fear is a power deterrent. Activate brains.

YerroFever1 votes

We can't see your support tickets so the link isn't very helpful. You should post screen shots that are embedded in your support tickets.

Supply a direct link to the image on an outside hosting site like imgur or gyazo.

Now my first question, did you have a 14 day temp ban prior to this punishment?

Kaioko3 votes

"like it has been 3 months since my 14 days suspension and i was very close to getting level 1 honor"

I'm assuming this means he does.

YerroFever1 votes

{quoted}

"like it has been 3 months since my 14 days suspension and i was very close to getting level 1 honor"

I'm assuming this means he does.

Ah I missed that in the wall of text that was the last paragraph.

Yeah this means the OP's going to get permabanned because in that 14 day notice, it says the next punishment is a permaban.

Xidphel1 votes

Could be wrong though.

DBS Ronovon1 votes

I think this kid should be allowed to have his account Chat restricted, and be allowed to play again. Unless he hasn't bought any skins, then I don't really care what happens, because if you don't pay any money you really shouldn't have any stake in being allowed to play the game if you break the rules.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

Rammus

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