if you arent at least trying to help your lanes, its in part your fault when they do poorly in lane
if somebody performs poorly thats on them, but if their performance is fine but their lane losing and the jungler wont help, it becomes in part their fault from that point on because they could do something but chose not to.
PlsTouchMeGently2 votesUntrue. Their poor performance is entirely on them. Doubly so if they are making it impossible to help them with their poor performance, such as constantly pushing the lane even when behind.
Also, I look up people before every match. If someone has barely any experience on the champion they are playing and they are against someone who does have experience, then I only help that lane if I'm certain I'll either get the kill (myself) or the tower. It's not worth getting someone ahead if they have no idea how to play their champion.
I Main Swain1 votesi didnt mean poor performance, i meant if their lane goes poorly, like if the enemy jungler camps or theyre hard countered and they cant get cs without dying. i didnt say its not the laners fault if they do bad in lane, i said that if the jungler doesnt try to help they lose the right to complain so long as the laner isnt doing anything stupid like pushing lane when theyre 0/4 or trying to duel fiora as pantheon.
if somebody performs poorly thats on them, but if their performance is fine but their lane losing and the jungler wont help, it becomes in part their fault from that point on because they could do something but chose not to.
PlsTouchMeGently2 votesYes, we can agree on that.
I Main Swain1 votesill make sure to edit the OP so its a little clearer :)
PlsTouchMeGently2 votesAnd I'll remove my downvote :-)
BigBellBrute1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sang Noir,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gukqrtJl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-07-11T21:17:39.552+0000)
Untrue. Their poor performance is entirely on them. Doubly so if they are making it impossible to help them with their poor performance, such as constantly pushing the lane even when behind.
Also, I look up people before every match. If someone has barely any experience on the champion they are playing and they are against someone who does have experience, then I only help that lane if I'm certain I'll either get the kill (myself) or the tower. It's not worth getting someone ahead if they have no idea how to play their champion.
So in fact you look up people and before you've even seen them play, determine that you're not going to help them at all. That kind of behavior is precisely what the OP is legitimately complaining about.
PlsTouchMeGently1 votesDepends on what you mean by "help." If you mean try to hang by their lane to make sure they don't feed their asses off, yeah, I'll do that. But I won't ever commit to ganking a laner to get them a kill if I know they'll just give up the lead I give them.
It's something any smart jungler does.
And I don't need to see someone play if I've seen the aggregate of their performance with a certain champion or their lack of experience.
Beas7ie1 votesIt depends on the situation. As a jungler I ask of just few things from my team.
Depending on who I'm jungling as and where I start, I need a decent leash. You don't need to stay until the mob is almost dead, just hit it first to take aggro along with a few other hits to deal some damage and you can get to your lane.
If you're on the opposite lane of where I start, then please check out the main camp(red/blue) and just be on the lookout for an early invade. You don't need to try and fight them, and you don't have to put a ward down(though Me love you long time if you do that) but please just check it out I can know if I need to get over there and fight, or take that buff from the enemy jungle. ESPECIALLY if the enemy jungler is one that's well know for being good at invading.
Don't push like a maniac AND forget to ward. If you push and your enemy is able to set up a good lane freeze and does so then I'm not going up there where I have to dive just to even get close to him. Learn how to manage minion waves.
And perhaps most importantly, DON'T FEED!
You get in a bad fight or get ganked and die once or so, it happens. Learn from that and play smarter. If you get countered or just outplayed that's alright too. Just play smart STAY BACK, ask for help, and I'll try and get over there and hopefully we can make something happen. If you feed over and over and over and over and over, then you're on your own. I'm not going near that shit.