did I deserve chat restrict for the following?

hemitris·Sep 24, 2018·1 votes·2,565 views

edit: after reading the responses to this post - is my chat negative leaning? yes. Is it toxic? no. The kind of responses i've received on this is frankly sad what you consider to be "toxic" while being toxic yourselves. If you get offended by people asking to ff or telling you to stop dying, you're the problem with the community.

Game 1 Pre-Game hemitris: yea hemitris: can we dodge this hemitris: cancer team **(referring to enemy team) In-Game hemitris: so ff15? hemitris: ill ward it after u take ur buff hemitris: yea ff15 hemitris: kayne hemitris: do u see hemitris: what is happening hemitris: riot thinks ur champ is balanced hemitris: just die to the ashe ffs hemitris: or give irelia double hemitris: ?? hemitris: game's over hemitris: yep irelia has all the kills in the game hemitris: and khaz hemitris: we have no adc hemitris: your stuns are no where close hemitris: pls stop dying to irelia hemitris: i gave her 1 kill hemitris: u gave her 3 hemitris: for? hemitris: asking you to stop dying is flaming? hemitris: lol hemitris: balanced hemitris: and? hemitris: are you saying azir is op? LOL hemitris: khaz you have no brain hemitris: lol 0/3 adc talking hemitris: lol you know how numbers work hemitris: sivir did you ever finish grade school hemitris: told u guys to dodge hemitris: l2 ban irelia hemitris: knew this game was gonna be cancer from champ select hemitris: yes because you picked sivir hemitris: 0/5 flames mid laner lol hemitris: LOL hemitris: that's not how numbers work sivir hemitris: ?? hemitris: janna r u my mom hemitris: tru hemitris: she does it all the time hemitris: thx hemitris: i had no mana hemitris: so wouldnt have mattered hemitris: 1/6 hemitris: i said i had no mana do u not look at minimap hemitris: it was too late hemitris: tru mb hemitris: lol? hemitris: im under tower hemitris: why are you not helping me hemitris: gl hemitris: i was holding mid hemitris: irelia would have came and destroyed your team fight hemitris: you guys lost 4v4 hemitris: why are you blaming me hemitris: keep typing hemitris: yawn hemitris: gg! Post-Game hemitris: lol hemitris: 1/10 hemitris: 1/7 hemitris: typing hemitris: nonstop hemitris: play the game hemitris: lol hemitris: 1/10 hemitris: im the worst hemitris: lol hemitris: 1/7 hemitris: nah hemitris: u had no jun pressure hemitris: keep typing hemitris: like you did anything hemitris: u did nothing early hemitris: no gank pressure hemitris: doesnt matter u fed irelia hemitris: look at stats hemitris: keep typing hemitris: helps you win hemitris: go back to bronze sivir Game 2 In-Game hemitris: ? hemitris: dont ff until late game we have late game comp too hemitris: keep typing hemitris: 0/2 hemitris: muted this troll jun hemitris: lol u missed hemitris: jun diff very big hemitris: sej has ganked every lane at least 2x hemitris: idk what voli has been doing hemitris: cant ganked too much hemitris: no jun hemitris: i didnt start it he flamed me for getting dove hemitris: i afk hemitris: oh look no obj control hemitris: that's what happens when u dont have a jun hemitris: wow hemitris: 3 open inhibs no one takes hemitris: wait hemitris: dont fight hemitris: dont fight hemitris: Gg Post-Game hemitris: lol hemitris: you were bad ori hemitris: u got so much help hemitris: u still lose lane Game 3 In-Game hemitris: why are you top hemitris: ??? hemitris: no i wasnt lol what hemitris: why are you trolling my lane hemitris: this is free win hemitris: DONT ULT MY TURRETS hemitris: I COULDA KILLED HIM hemitris: holy shit hemitris: i might afk hemitris: no supp this entire game hemitris: if u guys dont take rift after i 1v2 i will afk hemitris: 4v3 hemitris: u guys dont fight why hemitris: still want to, just want to win more than you do hemitris: this bard just leaves my turrets and me to die every time i get ganked hemitris: why are you even bot then hemitris: that's not how heimer works hemitris: you stay in my turrets and fight hemitris: not solo run away from khaz like a noob hemitris: this bard has 5 iq hemitris: did you not see me 1v2 hemitris: last fight hemitris: if you run hemitris: now it's 1v3 hemitris: which it has been this whole game hemitris: you're bad hemitris: also you're toxic too hemitris: he just leaves me every time hemitris: do you not know how isolation works hemitris: coulda just done it who pinged off hemitris: idk who pinged off hemitris: bard pinged off hemitris: if they kill u it's not a waste hemitris: god awful supp Post-Game hemitris: god awful support hemitris: you're getting insta mute from using target words hemitris: hf resetting your honor hemitris: go back to wood league

37 Comments

EleshakaiSep 24, 20187 votes

Yes. No part of your chat was constructive the entire log. So forcing you to use less of it seems like a good idea to me.

hemitrisSep 24, 20181 votes

just because it's not constructive means it's toxic? also many parts were constructive.

CharDeeMcDennizSep 24, 20183 votes

well it's not helpful or positive

its not neutral

it's negative

spreading negativity constantly is toxic

so yes

hemitrisSep 24, 20181 votes

a lot of what i typed was helpful but apparently it tilts the team to ask them to not die while they are flaming other lanes. people that get offended over simple asks are what's wrong with this game.

CharDeeMcDennizSep 24, 20182 votes

apparently riot (and the majority of people here) disagree with you

hemitrisSep 24, 20181 votes

punishment is automated based on the number of reports, nothing to do whether riot thinks it's toxic or not, I was simply polling community to see how ridiculous the "toxicity policing" has gotten. it's gotten pretty fucking ridiculous. i'll just mute all from now on because apparently the community can't handle any level of communication that asks them to do something.

PurpleYukariSep 24, 20182 votes

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punishment is automated based on the number of reports, nothing to do whether riot thinks it's toxic or not

Riot Tantram, who designed the systems, posted the line of code as if (reports > 0) { reviewGame(); }. Also, just because a game is reviewed doesn't mean the summoner will get punished. So that statement is 100% false.

i was typing no where close to the amount my teammates were typing and being toxic.

The IFS only looks at your chat. I guess I was just making an ironic statement about looking at how much you are typing negatively.

hemitrisSep 30, 20181 votes

proof? it's automated as far as I know.

PurpleYukariOct 1, 20181 votes

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proof? it's automated as far as I know.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/A1yJmhb1-suspension-14-days?show=flat&comment=00010001000000010000000000000001 - Riot Tantram, who designed the automated system, says that the IFS scores the logs of the accused player only. So if someone doesn't chat and they are reported, they will never be banned for toxic chat.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/iE97lQZW-make-reporting-system-more-efficient?comment=00010000 - Riot Tantram talks about the reports > 0 logic.

hemitrisOct 1, 20181 votes

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https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/A1yJmhb1-suspension-14-days?show=flat&comment=00010001000000010000000000000001 - Riot Tantram, who designed the automated system, says that the IFS scores the logs of the accused player only. So if someone doesn't chat and they are reported, they will never be banned for toxic chat.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/iE97lQZW-make-reporting-system-more-efficient?comment=00010000 - Riot Tantram talks about the reports > 0 logic.

There has to be negative or zero tolerance chat present for be penalized for a chat related offense.

He pretty much states it's automated for negative/zero tolerance chat. I know from experience it's automated. I was chat restricted immediately after a reported game, logging in and out to check even though there was no zero tolerance language in the chat above. either the list includes some words that are zero tolerance that I don't know about or the whole system is automated.

CharDeeMcDennizSep 24, 20182 votes

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I'll just mute all from now on because apparently the community can't handle any level of communication that asks them to do something.

or just don't be a dick

EleshakaiSep 24, 20183 votes

Not necessarily, true. But in your case, you had a lot of comments that were

here are a few examples:

hemitris: now it's 1v3 hemitris: which it has been this whole game hemitris: you're bad hemitris: also you're toxic too

Insulting your allies and claiming they're useless is toxic, regardless of whether they are ACTUALLY being useless or toxic.

hemitris: if they kill u it's not a waste hemitris: god awful supp Post-Game hemitris: god awful support

Same deal here - you insulting your support and claimed him dying was a positive. Not only that but you felt the need to reiterate it in post-game because it was so important to you that he HAD to know you felt that way. That's another quite toxic concept.

hemitris: holy shit hemitris: i might afk

Threatening to AFK is also toxic.

hemitris: yea hemitris: can we dodge this hemitris: cancer team *(referring to enemy team) In-Game hemitris: so ff15? hemitris: ill ward it after u take ur buff hemitris: yea ff15

Trying to get someone ELSE to dodge is toxic. If you feel it warrants a dodge, do it yourself - nobody else should have to take the penalty for YOU disliking the situation. Misusing terms like 'cancer' is negative, whether about your team or the enemy. And saying we should surrender TWICE in the first 15 minutes is also toxic.

There were other examples, but I'm tired and running out of time so I'll leave it here.

hemitrisSep 24, 20181 votes

hemitris: now it's 1v3 hemitris: which it has been this whole game hemitris: you're bad hemitris: also you're toxic too

supp roaming since lv 2 (bard), i was camped solo bot lane, that's fact not toxicity. not saying teammates are useless. you don't see game context. bard was literally not bot lane.

hemitris: if they kill u it's not a waste

talking about opponent wasting summoners, not a waste, not saying it was a good thing teammate died, responding to teammate. not toxic.

hemitris: god awful supp

toxic fine.

hemitris: i might afk

ok maybe toxic.

asking for dodge is toxic? lol!

EleshakaiSep 24, 20182 votes

Doesn't matter what your allies do, calling them bad is toxic. What they did may have been bad too, but that's not justification to CALL them such.

As to the 'not a waste' comment, it is possible for THAT particular line to not be toxic, if the conversation context explains what you responded with. However, if you just said that out of nowhere... with no context, then its a different story.

As to asking for dodge, yes. It's toxic. You're basically telling EVERYONE that you don't want to play with them, that you feel the game is over before it even starts, and that it's going to be a bad game. Again: if you feel the game is dodge-worthy, do it yourself.

zPOOPzSep 24, 20187 votes

hemitris: you're getting insta mute from using target words hemitris: hf resetting your honor

NEVER, EVER test her

Karma

hemitrisSep 24, 20182 votes

person was flaming including calling me r word and gets no punishment, but I get chat restricted for responding, seems like a great system

zPOOPzSep 24, 20184 votes

You don't know if that person is punished or not. Are you here to discuss your punishment or his???

hemitrisSep 24, 20181 votes

yes

CharDeeMcDennizSep 24, 20183 votes

you quit before the game even started, then tried to infect the whole team with your defeatist nonsense...are you honestly surprised?

SonicAFSep 24, 20182 votes

What do you mean by "i'm afk"?

hemitrisSep 24, 20181 votes

i didn't afk, we actually ended up winning those games

SonicAFSep 24, 20184 votes

Do you think your teammates instantly dismissed it or that they got alarmed and stressed?

SaezioSep 24, 20182 votes

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i didn't afk, we actually ended up winning those games

you threatened to afk->punishable You speak volumes and like 1% of it is actual calls->punishable You call people 5 iq->punishable I know you may disagree, I know the system may seem bad, but it is fair in the way it treats everyone the same. We can either abide by the system's rules or not play the game. P.S. I was amazed there was a 2nd and 3rd game in the report card

ZethroSep 24, 20182 votes

I mean, that chat log is pretty disgusting and your mental fortitude is transparent and weak

hemitrisSep 24, 20183 votes

hm, that sounds just as "toxic" as I was in chat, ironic

SonicAFSep 24, 20182 votes

Even if that was true, it happens in a less active environment. No matter how inappropriate that is, we can focus on throwing shit at each other and not disrupt the flow of other, more important stuff.

I am fully supporting not moderated chat, but don't lie to yourself that your behaviour was fine when it was moderated. It wasn't fine.

hemitrisSep 24, 20181 votes

you're pretty much defending a level of toxicity even worse than what's in the chat logs. if i can't type at all in the game why is there even chat option.

SonicAFSep 24, 20181 votes

Well, we can cross more lines on boards, because it doesn't distract from the game in progress and moderators can manually distingush really offensive shit from a heated discussion. Forum population is really small.

Game is moderated by a bot. Bot hammers you when it feels like your actions are annoying to anyone, including just the bot itself. There are millions of people like you and it exhausts the poor bot, so you should either stay off the radar(shut up) or be very polite.

I would feel way more comfortable if the bot wasn't there, because it's settings are bullshit and punishments send the wrong message, but it is there. We've got to deal with it.

LetMeCarry1983Sep 24, 20182 votes

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hemitrisSep 24, 20181 votes

you don't sound like a toxic player at all

Hextech OwISep 24, 20182 votes

"lol typing non stop"

And you are...?

hemitrisSep 24, 20181 votes

responding to it, you can only see one side.

CharDeeMcDennizSep 24, 20182 votes

you are only responsible for your side

you are not responsible for what other say/do nor are they responsible for your actions

PhieldworkerSep 24, 20181 votes

You titled your team off the face of the earth with all that typing. If you typed less and played more maybe not only would you avoid band you might even have some come backs too.

PurpleYukariSep 24, 20181 votes