Dear permabanned/suspended players, Toxic Attitude =/= KDA

BeatzBoyFTW·Dec 5, 2015·50 votes·4,104 views

Ever seen one of these threads which goes:

"WHY DAFUQ DID I GOT BANNED FOR?? I MEAN LOOK AT MY KDA! I EVEN MANAGED TO CARRY THIS SORRY-ASS TEAM, SO I DO NOT DESERVE TO BE BANNED!!!"

Being a dick-head in-game has nothing to do with your KDA performance. What's important is that you terribly gave your teammates a headache to listen to all of your nags & such. So if you were to mention this type of excuse, i bet you that no one would wanted to help you ever.

EDIT: Ok guys, I am getting tons of misunderstanding with most of you commenters out there, as a lot of you out there are missing the point.

My thread is only directed to those who got permabanned, and started using his carrying KDA as an excuse to escape his ban. And his ban was well-deserved as he's just annoying his teammates, which means this also concerns for ones who can't stand listening to toxicity in-game. If you're one of those players who's got the balls to mute them & just play on, then congratulations. This thread has nothing to do with you then.

89 Comments

MeleeNukeDec 5, 201512 votes

I've never seen anyone use kda as a way to try and get out of a ban. I don't know where you get this from.

BeatzBoyFTWDec 6, 20154 votes

There were various I've seen before. You'll see in the future.

MeleeNukeDec 6, 20152 votes

Can you link me an example if you find any please?

BeatzBoyFTWDec 6, 20154 votes

If I can ever remember this thread again, I'll try :p

ModUlanopoDec 6, 201510 votes

I have seen a metric &%$#-ton of people try to argue, "you shouldn't ban people for words, which can just be muted. You should ban for the things that really ruin games, like leaving or feeding."

The answer is that Riot does ban for both.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20153 votes

Yeah it just takes 50 games of you feeding to get caught. Might even have to make a thread about it. All it takes is a few games of being reported for "passive aggressive " language to get you banned. Why don't they just fucking get rid of the mute button then? Apparently no one uses it, or apparently it doesn't do what they designed it to do...which was stop harassment. There's no button in game to stop a feeder. That's why people give more of a fuck about them than language. I don't know what's so hard about that concept for the people at riot to grasp. You're looking for all these ways to ban people for fucking microaggressions instead of fixing the shit that makes people act that way. Like losing FULL LP when someone on your team decides to afk, or go 0-20. People trolling champ select forcing dodges or bad team comps when no one dodges. Games starting without all 10 people connected. Everything you need to stop harassment is at peoples fingertips. THE MUTE BUTTON. You guys need to start encouraging more muting and stop fucking banning people for sarcasm. You guys have the pettiest fucking behavior system in ALL of video game land.

o Maui oDec 6, 20154 votes

The mute button exists to give a player recourse BEFORE the game ends and they can report. Just because I am going to report someone's terrible behavior after the game doesn't mean I have to sit there and keep listening to it in-game.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20151 votes

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o Maui oDec 6, 20152 votes

I don't care about revenge. I am aware that my report will not by itself be the reason someone gets punished, and it would therefore be pointless for me to treat it that way.

I report when I see behavior that both violates the Summoner's Code and is something I think has no place in the game. For me, it's not a means to exact a measure of justice for a perceived wrong, but rather a tool for improving the community by weeding out the players who consistently ruin the experience for others.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20151 votes

You're reporting someone trying to get retribution. You have the power to make sure they never say another word to you again. That's almost god like power. Yet you refuse to use it because why? Because you want to get even. You want them to be punished. Them not being able to talk to you again isn't good enough for you. They need to not be able to play their game. You want blood. Which is why you are no better and in fact worse than the person running their mouth.

o Maui oDec 6, 20154 votes

I mute people all the time. Sometimes I mute people and don't report them afterwards. Sometimes I report people I never muted. The fact that I can mute people doesn't make their behavior acceptable or require me to tolerate it.

If I needed revenge, I wouldn't use the report button, because I know that wouldn't work (see previous post).

Digita1DogDec 6, 20152 votes

You're logic is so screwy. Please don't get a career in anything that requires you to make ethical decisions.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20151 votes

Hahahahahah you said ethics. Seeking to punish someone who said something you didn't like is hardly ethical when you can just mute them. I pray you never get a job in politics. You think it's ethical to silence the opposition if they don't phrase it in a way you deem acceptable. Hypocritical and unethical, but I don't expect you to know a lot about either. You would see someone lose their ability to play this game because they say something you don't like, when you have the ability to make it where they can't speak to you. Nowhere in this equation is the person trying to remove your ability to play the game. They are just saying things you don't like. Which is my point. You don't wanna stop them from flaming you, you want to see them punished. Which makes you just as horrible as them because you can stop the flaming yourself, you just need to feel like you somehow got one up on them. RIot doesn't encourage retaliation, but that's all a report is....retaliation. And since people threaten to report before the game even starts sometimes, they actually have encouraged retaliation. Quite a bit.

Digita1DogMar 10, 20161 votes

Dude, someone flaming someone else is NOT acceptable in this game, which is the whole reason why RIOT has a reporting option for it. If you can't play the game without harassing somebody then you should probably not be playing with people. Although, with your combative attitude, there really isn't a point in me even posting this.

ModUlanopoDec 6, 20154 votes

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Yeah it just takes 50 games of you feeding to get caught.

I hear that 87% of statistics are made up on the spot.

o Maui oDec 6, 20152 votes

link plz

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20151 votes

Censor my posts all you like. Doesn't change the fact I have a point. Regardless of if you like how I present it or not.

ModUlanopoDec 6, 20153 votes

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Censor my posts all you like. Doesn't change the fact I have a point. Regardless of if you like how I present it or not.

I quoted a portion of your post. I don't know how that constitutes censorship.

Regardless, my point stands. You think that the feeding detection system doesn't ban quickly enough. I don't have a problem with that opinion, despite the fact that I see virtually zero intentional feeding in my matches. My problem is with throwing out meaningless numbers to present an argument. Neither of us can know the details of the system, as neither of us work for Riot.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20151 votes

Intentionally feeding IS rare. My point is there are people who do it game after game and go 40 50 games before they get banned. There have been forum posts for it. I'm looking at one of the accounts that fed 40 games before it was banned right now. They had to make a forum post to get banned. The system didnt catch them. That's just one of many grievances. You also don't have to feed to intentionally throw a game. You can just go wander around the jungle late game and never help your team do anything. Or you can afk. The afks are the worst. The intentional ones, and the people in games who never connected. You know, the thing that's been happening since season 1 that they still haven't created a system to compensate for?

I don't wanna see people banned for every type of bad behavior. As far as I'm concerned you can ban nobody for anything but cheating and that would make me happy as long as they learned how to compensate people for trolls and afks . They are focusing on the wrong things You aren't going to be able to socially engineer people to act the way you want them to as a video game developer. They should stop trying. People have the greatest tool in the game to minimize verbal abuse, the mute button. They should stop trying to find new forms of text like "passive aggressive" to ban people for and focus on reducing LP losses for people stuck in 4 vs 5's and maybe even giving them extra LP should they somehow win it. I been using the mute/ignore button on people for a decade or better. It's always been effective everywhere it was able to be utilized.

Banning people for a bunch of petty shit is just going to ruin the game because all those people make new accounts and ruin the experience for new players, who in turn get burned out or become toxic themselves. Most toxic people are just people who are having a horrible experience playing this game. Trying to find all of them and ban them isn't going to fix the problems with the game that make it so frustrating and turn them into ragers to begin with.

ModUlanopoDec 6, 20153 votes

I agree with you that the people who never connect are the worst. I have been advocating that non-ranked matches be reset if someone fails to connect for a long time now. It looks as though this is a feature that will probably appear sometime in Q1 of next year.

As for the rest of it, I'm just going to leave this here.

BeatzBoyFTWDec 6, 20152 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EouTqBpL-permanently-banned-cause-i-told-someone-to-go-kill-themselves

Found one.

Although it's not entirely about KDA, it still applies the same concept as I listed in my thread.

MeleeNukeDec 6, 20151 votes

Thanks! I see your point now.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20155 votes

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Battlecast SonaDec 6, 20157 votes

dear rito: make it so in order to play champs in ranked you need a certain mastery score for them. This system is in place. It should be utilized for something other than a BM emote to spam at people when you hit rank 5. You should have to have a certain mastery score to play, and you should only be able to play champs above a certain rank. BOOM.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20153 votes

^ this guy gets it. I have 200K mastery on shaco and He was like the 3rd person I got mastery on. I have like 8 other champs I play sporadically that are level 4, and a good number of level 3's as well. Now that ranked is going to be you queuing up for one of two roles, you should need 8 champs with level 3 or better to queue up. They have the entire preseason to get their champs ready. This should totally be a thing. Hell, they should pretty much have that already if they play fairly regular. If they don't play regularly enough to have a few champs with level 3 mastery, they don't play regularly enough to be in ranked anyways IMO.

ChaoticPineconeDec 6, 20156 votes

No, its a biased view for players who only play summoners rift with a small champion pool.

I have over 1,300 wins on SR. i have something like 1,400 wins on ARAM. I do not have any champion at level 5. I have 4 at level 4, 8 at level 3. Only 2 of those 12 champions are in the top 10 champions i played last season. My highest mastery champion, Leblanc, comes in #21 of my most played champ in ranked.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20151 votes

Guess what, if all you play is ARAMS, maybe you should get some summoners rifts games under your belt before you come to ranked. There are things like wards and objectives in Summoners Rift. There's a reason you don't get mastery in ARAM. If you can't get a few champs up to level 3 to play them in ranked, it's because you chose not to, not because it's actually difficult. I have level 5 mastery on Shen and Maokai, and haven't played either of them in at least two months. If you can't dedicate a little bit of your time to prove you're worthy to play a champ in a competitive environment, you shouldn't be there. We're not talking about level 5 mastery here. Basically you're saying you shouldn't have to play 10-15 decent games with a champ before you take them into a mode where you can cost someone to lose rankings. That's the problem with this game. MFers just think they should be able to do whatever the fuck they want to do and if it costs you the game, so what. You better not say shit.

Then we got people like you " I got 2700 wins but I'm too good to play a few champs 10-15 times so I can play them in ranked" If all you play is arams, why do you care about ranked? Apparently summoners rift isn't that fun to you, else you'd be in teambuilder, draft, or blind. I played 1200 ranked games this season. Getting some asshole who doesn't have a clue how to build or play his champ is a pretty regular occurrence and it needs to stop. Mfers be like...oh my main got banned.....let me try Azir out for the first time. Let me rush this hurricane on Kayle or gnar first item. Then they get the shit kicked out of them and I'm forced into a loss because they don't even have the foggiest idea wtf they are doing. If you're so bad you get your teeth kicked in on a regular basis in BRONZE maybe ranked isn't for you. Maybe you need to go practice some more champs in a not as competitive environment. You look at some peoples histories, and they don't know how to build ANYONE. They have a bunch of random ass bad builds on a bunch of random ass champions and a 30% win rate.

No offense but I played 8-10x as many ranked games as you this season, and while you may be higher, I have to deal with more of the unskilled people. I hear what you're saying, but I've probably had the people I described ruin as many games as you played in ranked this season. I'd also like to thing that people in Gold are a little bit better about picking champs they actually know how to use. There are always the exceptions. I have level 3 mastery on champs I barely use. You can pretty much hit level 2 in one game almost if you stomp. So pretty much you can play 5 great games and get it, or play like 15 really bad ones. Either way if you play 5 great games you should have a clue how to play them, and if you play 15 bad ones you should have an idea how to play when you're down. I'm not asking for level 5 mastery. Just level 3 competency.

ChaoticPineconeDec 7, 20151 votes

You didnt read that i have over 1300 wins on SR? If mastery was something that existed since S1, then maybe youd have a point. But for those who have been playing for a while, youre forced to grind out champions youve known how to play for years.

And i dont spam ranked. I got to the rank i wanted to in a month or so, then only play when a duo wants to rank. So you might have the time or motivation to play 1200 ranked games, but not many people really want to do that.

and 10 games on every champ (i unlocked every champ to play them, right?) is over 1,250 games.

Clown ApocalypseDec 7, 20151 votes

Should you be playing all 125 champs in ranked? Of course not. Does anyone? Nothings stopping you from playing norms with every champ in the game. I have 6000 games played. Also played every champ in the game. Doesn't mean I should be playing half of them in ranked. You should see my Lissandra. I wish there was a puke emote.

ChaoticPineconeDec 7, 20151 votes

Again, having 6000 games played doesnt mean anything. How well you play determines what rank you are, not the number of games played.

And my highest winrate for a champion is 75%, which i have both Zyra and Nasus as. Zyra is my number 1 played. Nasus is my number 3. I have level 1 mastery with Nasus. My second highest winrate is 67%, which is Morgana, who is my number 4 most played champ last season. I also have level 1 mastery on Morgana. Are you telling me that I cant play Nasus or Morgana because someone decided midway through Season 5 that I now need to unlock these mastery points, even though my record shows that I'm fairly proficient with both?

Clown ApocalypseDec 7, 20151 votes

It's not beyond their power to unlock characters you played over X amount of ranked games with last season. That would be a way around it that I believe we could mutually find acceptable. That would get rid of some of the outlying situations you propose. Most of them actually. Hell I'll even set the bar so low that anybody you won a single ranked game with last is unlocked.

WimbledofyDec 6, 20157 votes

HUGE problem with this. If i get stuck support and thresh is picked or banned, i have no champ to play since I don't have masteries on any other support. I can play other supports fine, but now i have to play trynd or some other non support champ support because my mastery score isn't high enough. It sounds like a nice idea but it could never work.

Battlecast SonaDec 6, 20153 votes

it literally exists in other mobas and there's no problems, just have 2 supports with mastery. Having only 1 character in any role is YOUR problem, not the game's.

OdinakosDec 6, 20152 votes

I have not played Lulu or Nami since mastery got implemented(that's SR). If Janna is picked/ban and i need a similar support what i am gonna do? And since i feel pretty confident as Janna, playing as Lulu or Nami support is not gonna be a big handicap for my team, probably a smaller one than having to resort to karma or zyra(that are more niche).

Also i have around 90 champions and you guessed it right, the majority is not even lvl 1. What happens if i need to swap in case i want to get a powerhouse as first pick, or pick for a solo last to not get countered?

This is a problem. To get access to all those champions, i have to play around 140 games. With different champions that i probably dont want to. Does not matter if some of them are benched for years, i want to have the option to have the otpion. Because i grinded. Or payed them. Like Vayne. Hell no i am totally not playing vayne.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20152 votes

so why not play a few games with lulu and nami in the preseason, in teambuilder? You play the game anyways right? I have ALL of the champions. And just like you most of them aren't even level 1. Thing is......most of the champs that aren't even level 1....I wouldn't dare play in ranked. ANd if I wanted to play them in ranked....I'd go hit a few teambuilders first. I don't see why people who play the game anyways think its such a problem that you be requested to play a few good games with a champ before you mosey on into ranked. You shouldn't be allowed to bring some champ you don't even know how to play or build into a ranked game. No ones denying you the right to play your champ. They are denying you the right lessen someone elses chances of climbing the ladder just because you feel like playing something different. NO you shouldn't be allowed to play a character you "benched for years" in a ranked game. Do you realize how often this game gets patched, people get nerfed, items get changed? Not playing a champ for a year ruins all knowledge of how you thought certain matchups played out. All I'm seein is excuses from people who play the game anyways, but are too stubborn to get mastery with the champs they like playing. Stop playing modes that don't give mastery. Practice what you want to win. If you don't wanna practice summoners rift, why come to ranked and ruin it for others because all you play is arams? Those are literally the only people crying about how they have no mastery on champs. Everyone else has mastery on a few people by now.

WimbledofyDec 6, 20152 votes

You are assuming everyone else is as bad as you though. Some people can play a champ once and instantly pick up on it. Some champs are just inherently easy and need no previous games played on them to know how they work. You don't need to play a lot of blitzcrank, thresh, or morg to know how they work.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20152 votes

No I'm assuming, quite rightfully, that one game with a champ isn't enough to play it in a ranked environment and expect any kind of constant success. Just because you know how to throw a football doesn't mean you are quarterback material. Furthermore if you played one GREAT game you would be almost level 2 and probably only need 2 -4 more similar games to hit level 3. You people are making this harder than it has to be. Just because you know what all 4 of their moves do doesn't mean you understand what items are bad on them or how to go about using those skills. You can go rekt bots 35-0 with a troll build then go to a regular game and get your teeth kicked in because that troll build doesn't work against most champions powered by human intelligence. You need to play games against human opponents before you come to a RANKED game period. Your teammates will thank you. Everything with every champ is different. Power spikes, builds, what skills to max, last hitting etc. Knowing how a champ works does not equate to knowing how to play said champ. I know how kat works and I suck with her. If your learning curve is so amazing you feel like you can play one game and be ready for ranked. 5 should make more than ready.

I have level 5 mastery with 4 champs, and 3 or better with over a dozen more. None of them are frequent bans. I also pretty much just play Shaco 99% of the time who I have 200k mastery with. If you people don't have mastery in champs its because you aren't playing them or you aren't playing summoners rift. So I don't feel bad about you not being able to bring them into ranked when you barely even play them period. This champion mastery stuff isn't hard. Just win games with the champ you want to play and do well. even 6 or 7 mediocre wins will make you level 3. If you can't get a few wins in normal with the champ, why would people want you on their ranked team? You have the WHOLE preseason to do this. Champion mastery has been out for months. What excuse besides playing nothing but arams can anyone possibly have for having no mastery with a few champs? If you play nothing but ARAM i'd honestly prefer to not have you on my ranked team.

The exception to all this would be ranked teams. If your 5 man premade ranked team is fine with letting you play a random champ you never use, that's their decision to make. I'd rather not be forced into playing with you in solo queue.

WimbledofyDec 6, 20151 votes

ITS NOT ABOUT HAVING NO MASTERIES WITH A FEW CHAMPIONS. It's about being in a situation where all the champs you do have MASTERIES with won't fit in. I don't know if you have never heard of mobafire or probuilds, but if you don't know how to build a champion you can easily look it up. I agree that it can be annoying to get a teammate that plays yasuo for the first time in ranked cuz they think he is op or they play the new champion because those champs are either hard or people don't know much about them. But there are many champions that are easy enough to play on your first time that you can do well on. Some champions are so frequently played that you can know their entire build and play style just by playing with and against them. I haven't played Warwick, Sejuani, or Pantheon once this season in a normal game but I am VERY confident that I can do well on all three of those champions. I used to main Sejuani and pantheon last season and Warwick is very easy to play. Also most adcs are very similar in gameplay. If you are good mechanically at something like vayne, then most other adcs you can play first time in ranked and not have much trouble.

If you are still not understanding this, you probably never have put thought into what kind of champ your team comp needs. If you end up last pick and your whole team is super squishy and you get stuck top or jungle and your main goto tank Jung or top is taken you won't be able to play a tank jungler if this restriction was implemented. But in the current state of the game I can pick an easy tank to play that suits our team comp. Two very easy examples against a full ad comp with a squishy team are rammus and malphite. You don't need to have played either of these champions to know all you have to do is stack armor and tank for your team.

Also, I'm not looking to be "more than ready" with these champs because I have 15 other champs at least that I am more then ready with. You shouldn't be trying to main every champ, that will never get you any elo. You want to main a very few amount of champs and be able to play a decent amount of other champs.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20151 votes

So wtf about what i'm saying are you missing. Having level 3 with champs doesn't in any way shape or form make you a pro with them, only familiar. I'm not saying try to master every champ in the game. I'm saying if you are going to queue up for Support/Top maybe you should get at least level 3 mastery with 5 people in each role. You should have a main in both roles right? Wtf is so hard about playing a few games with your backups? I repeat, I have level 3 mastery with people I barely play. It's not hard to obtain. All it's going to do is stop the guy who wants to play the new champ or someone they just bought in a ranked game. I'm sure you have all the high elo great advice, but I see wtf goes on in my games and I go look at peoples match histories before and after games sometimes. People will pick shit they have never played a single game of. So maybe THEY should be getting your message about how trying to main or play any and all champs will never help them climb. I'm trying to keep them out of MY games. That seems to be the point you are missing.

Now I have a question for you. If you think someone should be able to play a champ for the first time in ranked with you, why shouldn't I be able to play with you as a bronze while you're plat? I mean it's totally okay for them to play someone they have no experience with. I have champs I've played hundreds of games with. But because of perceived skill, you wouldn't want me on your team because i'm 3 divisions lower than you. What i'm saying is no different. I don't want people on my team in ranked playing champs they've never or barely used. Just like you don't want some bronze baddie who doesn't know how to do ANYTHING right that you have to carry. Are you saying a first time plat darius can't perform as bad or worse than a bronze darius with 100 games?

WimbledofyDec 6, 20151 votes

I'm not missing something. I'm saying I shouldn't have to be level 3 with a champ to play them in ranked. Maybe if they really need to do this they could restrict it to only bronze, because I'm comfortable with playing certain champs for the first time and sometimes it is better than playing my main (even though I have over 300 games on my main, it can't do everything for me).

For why a bronze shouldn't be able to play with a plat in ranked: Firstly, yes a first time plat darius can do worse than a bronze darius with 100 games. But also he can do better. If this bronze guy has 100 games on darius, why is he still in bronze? In general to climb elo you need a few important things. 1. Mechanical skill 2. Decision making 3. Map awareness (and some other stuff maybe). It is very possible to climb with mechanical skill alone and/or decision making alone. Mechanical skill is probably most important for getting out of bronze quickly and even a bronze person that mains a champion, if they still so happen to be in bronze, probably aren't much better than a plat person that could play the same champion for their first few times. Decision making won't really get you out of bronze quickly but as you climb it is much more consistent in higher ranks. Low bronze players usually don't have any mechanical skills or good decision making. The reason you shouldn't play with a plat in ranked is because you don't like have good enough mechanical skill, and it's even more likely that you don't have the correct decision making skills since that is something hard to learn in bronze.

This thing about having to play the champion before going into ranked is great in theory, it just won't work simply because a situation could easily happen where you HAVE to play a champion you haven't really played before. This will also open a new opportunity for trolling. Someone could literally claim they "can't play support" because they don't have an available champion.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20151 votes

Mechanical skill? You mean like muscle memory? You mean the things that come with doing a certain task over and over again? Like playing a champion? You're saying it's not possible for a bronze person to be mechanically better with a champ after 100 games than a platinum with zero games? I'm calling bullshit on that. I've kicked the shit out of people as high as gold on champs I barely play. There's never a situation where you HAVE to pick a champ you never picked before. You CHOSE to pick a champ you never played before. What are the odds of every champ you know how to play being picked or banned? 1200 ranked games this season and somehow I never found myself in that situation where I HAD to pick a champ I didn't know how to use. There was someone else you could have picked and you didn't pick them. I don't like to adc. I actually hate it. But I know how to use a few adc's. Once I factor in gnar and kennen I can fill the role if I have to. You guys need to stop giving people excuses to be shit. You talk all this good game about people getting better....Not playing people in ranked games you don't know how to play sounds like a good rule of thumb. Not only to protect your mmr, but to not fuck off everyone else's. It sounds like such a good rule that in fact it should not only be a rule but a mechanism. Maybe my mechanism isn't the perfect way of achieving it, but there needs to be a mechanism. You are forgetting that this season you only fill if that's what you queue up for. If your champion pool isn't deep enough to fill you shouldn't queue up for it. 2 roles. People should be able to get good at 2 roles and climb right, since that's what they are queueing up for? If you cant support you don't queue up for fill or support, you queue up for 2 of the other 4 roles.

Also understand when I say this. I've done it. I've had success AND gotten my ass kicked for doing it. I'd just prefer people to not be able to do it including myself.

WimbledofyDec 6, 20151 votes

Muscle memory is just what it sounds like, your muscles remember what they did. If you play 100 games on a champion incorrectly, your mechanical skill will not improve. A person that plays 100 times on a champion incorrectly won't be any better than someone who plays the same champ for the first time. If they have 100 games on a champion and are still bronze, it is likely because they still have not learned good mechanical skill. Playing a champ 100 times does not guarantee better mechanical skill. I'm saying that over those 100 games, if they are better than the plat person they should already have climbed out of bronze.

And this new system hasn't even been implemented yet so it's pretty much too soon to already be trying to change it. also lets say you queue up for mid and support. you like to main 2 specific supports and a bunch of mids but play no other supports often. Someone takes mid and your supports are banned/taken/arent good in situation, now i have to play a non support as support.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20151 votes

I think you have an overinflated sense of how much better than people you are. I've been playing since Season 1. I'd wager I've played at least 6000 games. I have friends who are gold I play with in normals against all sorts of people of different ranks higher than me. At the end of the day it's still a team game and having a team full of platinums is a lot more useful to a first time whoever than having a team full of bronzes. Or let me use your logic. Playing one champ incorrectly is a lot easier to get away with when you have 4 people who are playing their champ correctly. Playing a champ incorrectly with 4 other people playing champs incorrectly is just a clusterfuck. I'm still bronze cuz I tilt easy, not cuz I don't know how to play. I came to grips with this a long time ago.

Also simple solution. learn how to play 5 supports. They aren't going to ban or pick every support you know how to play if you know how to play 5. And if they somehow did, I don't think the >1% of games it happens in should be used as a baseline for anything. It's not going to happen every game or even often enough to be statistically relevant. If it does happen once. let that be your sign to prepare a 6th person.

WimbledofyDec 6, 20151 votes

Maybe I'm a bit "overinflated" about being able to first time a champ better, but other than that I haven't said much about my skill. I think you are just discrediting all the people that are fast learners that can play a champ on their first time due to different experiences such as playing with and against them. As long as there are players that have the ability to learn something without doing something (such as visual and auditory learners) then people should still be able to first time champs in ranked. Also in the lcs in one of the games where they picked more they had not practiced him at all

I also don't understand how you still haven't replied to any of my examples of being in a situation where you can't pick a champion you normally play.

Clown ApocalypseDec 7, 20151 votes

I'm never in a situation I cant pick a champ I normally play. I don't play flavor of the month champs, whoever's op at the moment or people who are always banned. And I know how to play several champs in every position. I also know how to just dodge when I find myself in the weird situation that I don't like how the fates aligned with my pick. I'm not replying to every weird ass situation you throw at me because those are just bad situations people put themselves in by having a shitty pool of champions to choose from they know how to play. You're making a big deal about having to play a couple of normal games with a champ and do well in order to play them in ranked. Play a few less ARAM games and quit effing crying about it. You make up all these hypothetical situations to get around playing a few normal games with champs you want to play in ranked. WTF better do you have to do in the PRESEASON. I would imagine this would be the perfect time to do these things. Like I said, the mechanism I'm proposing isn't perfect. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be some sort of mechanism. I'd settle for you having to be level 2. But in no situation should you ever be allowed to play a champ for the first time in league in a ranked game. All the other details I can bend on, that I wont.

WimbledofyDec 7, 20151 votes

I haven't mentioned aram at all. And why do you have so much hate for it though? You can learn a champions mechanical skill and understand their abilities just from an aram. You don't have to have wards in aram with a specific champion to know how to ward in SR because you should have already learned that by playing other champions.

And i have 0 reason to play every champ i own once since whether i have played them once or not will not effect how I play them(unless it is a very difficult champ). You say "in no situation should you ever be allowed to play a champ for the first time in league in a ranked game" but I've already given multiple situations. Maybe there is no situation FOR YOU PERSONALLY but for me and many other players there won't be much of a problem playing something like morganna/annie/any normal adc when my team needs it because their mechanics are basically similar and are easy to pick up on. No previous play should be required for someone to understand how they work and what to build and how to play them.

Personally the only supports I have really played this season are morganna and thresh. If I was stuck last pick, thresh was banned and they picked morganna I'd rather play a different real support than to play pantheon or tryndamere support.

Clown ApocalypseDec 7, 20151 votes

Playing arams is the only reason you wouldn't have mastery with champs. Any other mode you would be gaining mastery. Or maybe dominion doesn't give em too. Or bot games. But none of those modes are Summoners RIft or Twisted Treeline vs human competition, which is what ranked games are. As I told another guy, I'd be fine with them unlocking champs you have wins with in previous seasons. But people trying to play champs for the first time in ranked isn't fair to the other 4 people on your team. Just sayin.

WimbledofyDec 7, 20151 votes

Or maybe I just don't pick those champs? Not everyone as the intention of getting mastery on every champ.

And it is fair to your teamates if that specific champ would have great synergy on your team, or completely counters entire enemy team. If entire enemy team is ad you can play malphite/rammus. Rammus is super simple and if you've seen rammus's in some games you should already understand what his abilities do.

OdinakosDec 6, 20151 votes

First of all, Lulu is very similar to Janna for the intended role of peel support. Yes she has some very different aspects but at the end if you know Janna quite well, you can pick Lulu without a problem. As i said atm the only "mastered" range supports that have good peel are Karma, Zyra and Janna(dont count thresh in there). Since Karma and Zyra are quite niche, if Janna is unavailable, picking Lulu support even with less experience is a better choise most of the times. Even Nami with not so great bubles. For example, Ezreal pairs quite well with Lulu as she can peel, help with wave clear if enemies are going for it, and add to his poke. Karma cant do that, even if on paper it seems like that. So if i need a peel support, why should i be punished in that case?

Second, your idea is a handicap to veterans that did not have time to grind masteries. Due to external reasons i did not have so much time to play at least last season. So my skill atm is rusted but still i did decent on my few ranked games. If i pushed more, i could climb maybe to plat. But since i did not i was gold 4. That was fair indication of my skill at that moment since i was not keeping up. I should be expected to perform on that level no matter what character i play. But on the contrary i had very good games on unmastered Swain and Zerath as they were for a long time my goto safe picks for top and mid, my worse lanes. Also a decent unmastered olaf jungle. That i did 4 bot games to optimize jungling speed.

Addition to second point. Someone mastered a champion when masteries went out and did not play with him since then. How is that different from eg me not having a mastered Lulu that was my favorite support for a long time? Or the real example of Swain. He(along with J4) is the only champion i can feel safe top lane and was not mastered when i was forced to go top. Countered Olaf and all good at top lane.

Last and most important you did not touch at all the swap reason. For example our first pick is a great anivia player. But he is afraid of counterpick. I have her but since she is not mastered, i cant pick for him. This is a great handicap. And i cant grind so many champions just to swap. Even if it is only for powerpicks, i am gonna play many games without having any fun at all, with all the frustration both to me and my allies.

Clown ApocalypseDec 6, 20151 votes

Okay i'm willing to agree with you and say you have a point about not being able to trade. But honestly people trade in about less than 5% of games I play. This might change with the new patch but I doubt it. There are still ways of working around the system where you would be able to signal a trade and pick that champ for the person and it does the trade automatically after you guys have both picked. i'm sorry but 4 bot games as olaf doesn't make you a good jungler when no one wards, counterjungles or goes for any dragons or barons. You can learn how to clear, I do that with all the people I might want to jungle, but it's still no tradeoff for knowing how to play your champ in more than one situation. You don't get that from bot games, and you don't get that from a single game with humans.