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Bullying is the biggest problem in this game at the moment

SanKakU··1 votes·806 views

My chat logs, with context from my memory.

Enjoy ripping me apart emotionally for getting reduced from honor level 4 to honor level 1. I bet these guys if they come to read this would be ecstatic to know that they got me banned.

[our jungler declares she doesn't know how to jungle, so I respond:] smite gromp [we get both enemies to almost dead, instead of killing off the high damage jhin, so I warn vayne:] you were supposed to kill jhin when you had the chance not poke the damn tank [vayne lets leona get away when she would have died for sure and then doesn't threaten a returning to lane jhin in the slightest, allowing me to die for free, so I get upset with her for good reason:] why don't you condemn him you mean you used it on leona? is that why she escaped? i said HIM oh nevermind you mean the wall my bad well i still think it's dumb you backed off immediately [i tell her my new play of trying to 'support' her:] from now on i'm doing NOTHING but protect you because i can't trust you to protect me [lux/quinn starts unloading on me with their rage:] if i was salty wouldn't i disconnect get real [vayne starts acting like i was the one being aggressive even though she used her condemn offensively so i ask her to stop being toxic:] vayne if you tell me something rude like that again i'm muting youi [she continues to be rude, acting like she did nothing wrong in either the game or in chat so i tell her i'm abandoning her:] you inted me into the enemy and told me not to be aggressive you can lane by youtself now [lux comes to top because i have no idea, just to kill time i guess and quinn complains that too many people are in her lane so i tell lux that i can help quinn solo, after all she had been complaining about nasus anyway:] lux it's cool i got this [quinn starts flaming the hell out of me trying to get me to leave the lane, where else would i even go? lux had already been flaming me harder than she was and vayne was not an option either:] unless you int me into their team hanging with you is a million times better than with vayne so shove it [she feeds me into the enemy nasus just because she doesn't want to 2vs2 the enemy jungler so then i complain:] if you right clicked him one more time instead of running away i would have killed him actually did you even right click him once??? [enemy starts flaming me so i respond:] telling her that nasus was an easy kill but she chose to let him go isn't raging [lux keeps on flaming me, i probably should've muted her ages ago but i was hoping she'd stop being so hostile, she only got worse as the game went on though, so i probably shouldn't have shamed her here, but it was the absolute trurth:] i'm not griefing, you are empowering your bad mannered club member vayne to behave badly bullying me [lux accuses me of being 12 years old so i respond:] becoming 13 years old or greater doesn't make you immune to bullying especially not online [i finally mute her so i notify her of that:] either way you got muted after that msg [it's time to give our respect to our opponents for completely destroying her team morale so i inform the team i'll be willing to concede:] it's twenty minutes now we can end it with 80 percent majority let's do it [now our jungler makes a comment that nasus or whoever on enemy team is a problem, so i simply reply that we shouldn't be worrying about the enemy, our team is doing more damage to their chance to win than the enemy:] not as big of a problem as our vayne and quinn [despite me attempting to help 2 different lanes, we have nothing to show for it because there is no cooperation, hence i followed up with this statement in an attempt to argue for a concede, so that maybe our jungler would concur and sway the others to comply:] we don't have any towers so zero map control [jungler/quinn starts complaining about not having vision so i respond while i'm returning to an empty bottom lane:] nowhere we could put vision where we wouldn't die for it [i get to enemy tower and beholden to my teammates:] notice to team vayne never touched her tower [and the shame:] and she left the lane [jungler starts crying again because her other 3 teammates are being afk assholes as usual watching other people do all the work instead of cooperating so i respond:] don't worry about it just mindlessly click around the map it's not like these 3 are ever going to teamwork [quinn snaps and finally goes full rage mode on me and asks me to play to win mother fucker which partially is censored so i joked about the fact she was censored and responded:] no, you mean play to win another game [quinn or jungler don't remember which is whining about my earlier comment about mindlessly clicking so i respond again:] as long as you're killing stuff it doesn't matter where you go is my point [still whining so i reply again, i suppose i should have muted them already by now, oh well:] not if teammates refuse to obey common sense [quinn is flaming me pretty hard again, i don't remember her comment but it was totally unreasonable, maybe something like i should be with the treacherous team instead of split pushing, as if i could do anything but 1 vs 5 and then watch in horror as my allies wait out my assist timer again before thinking about killing anyone so of course i'm pretty angry and finally mute her:] i'm the only one that's bothered to put significant damage on a tower. you don't get to flame me quinn [i go ahead and mute our jungler finally because by now a lot of time has gone by and the game should have ended at 15 but it's like 25 minutes plus IIRC so i tell 'em i'm clocking out of team chat completely although i guess i should have done it long ago:] diana if these are your friends you're much better off solo [a few more messages to the enemy because there's no one else to talk to:] can you quit playing with my team and end it?
i know you could have by now they are never going to surrender they have too much fun flaming me while i hve them muted

We need a way to know from the start that we're with a group of players. HotS has this, and it unfortunately only shows up in the loading screen, but at least it definitely shows up at some point, so you can just screenshot each loading screen and review it while you're playing.

If we had such a system in LoL, then we'd be able to decide to do things such as: well if one player offends me and he has 2-3 buddies, I guess I'll just mute the lot of them and do everything I can to be a team player so that they don't get even more mad at me than they already are.

IME, reasoning with people is hit or miss, but chances are if one person is worth complaining about, the entire group is going to go stark raving mad if you dare to mention anything. In HotS, I can just mute the entire group of players so that I don't have to read the toxic comments in the first place, as soon as one of their kind starts intentionally throwing the game. But I can't do that in LoL, and it annoys me because it leads to situations like this where I got banned for apparently fighting the good keyboard warrior fight for too long.

58 Comments

LukeTheSheppy5 votes

smite gromp

you were supposed to kill jhin when you had the chance not poke the damn tank

why don't you condemn him

you mean you used it on leona?

is that why she escaped?

i said HIM

oh nevermind you mean the wall my bad

well i still think it's dumb you backed off immediately

from now on i'm doing NOTHING but protect you because i can't trust you to protect me

if i was salty wouldn't i disconnect

get real

vayne if you tell me something rude like that again i'm muting youi

you inted me into the enemy and told me not to be aggressive

you can lane by youtself now

lux it's cool i got this

unless you int me into their team hanging with you is a million times better than with vayne so shove it

if you right clicked him one more time

instead of running away i would have killed him

actually did you even right click him once???

telling her that nasus was an easy kill but she chose to let him go isn't raging

i'm not griefing, you are empowering your bad mannered club member vayne to behave badly

bullying me

becoming 13 years old or greater doesn't make you immune to bullying especially not online

either way you got muted after that msg

it's twenty minutes now we can end it with 80 percent majority let's do it

not as big of a problem as our vayne and quinn

we don't have any towers so zero map control

nowhere we could put vision where we wouldn't die for it

notice to team vayne never touched her tower

and she left the lane

don't worry about it just mindlessly click around the map it's not like these 3 are ever going to teamwork

no, you mean play to win another game

as long as you're killing stuff it doesn't matter where you go is my point

not if teammates refuse to obey common sense

i'm the only one that's bothered to put significant damage on a tower. you don't get to flame me quinn

diana if these are your friends you're much better off solo

can you quit playing with my team and end it?

i know you could have by now

they are never going to surrender

they have too much fun flaming me while i hve them muted

There. OP, next time, post it without your "context". No one particularly cares for it.

Soulhavok3 votes

Rather the op did this to help themselves but ty for this makes it much clearer.

Colgate Gator4 votes

It's always a major red flag when an OP decides to put "helpful annotations" in their chat logs, because it means even they read it and were like "Well, shit."

SanKakU1 votes

No, it's because the chat logs always look dumb unless there is context. I even have some games where I play with a streamer and I'm literally talking to myself as far as team chat goes but that's because everyone else can hear the person I'm responding to on their stream. Context is always relevant, and I will continue to ask for context in threads that I pop into because without it, we don't have a clear picture of what's going on.

Pouck2 votes

I can see your point. Nevertheless in the case of judging your behaviour, Riot believes that you are responsible only for your own chat. Also, their banning rules dictate that, whatever happen during the game: teamate feeding, inting, playing badly, cursing, spam ping, talking rudely, flaming, blaming you, etc... YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO FLAME

  • They feed, or play bad, it might be a loss, no big deal
  • They flame, mute them
  • they spam pings, mute the ping
  • They int or troll, report them at the end if you want

All this to say, no matter what happen during a game, you are supposed to control your behaviour, which mean behaving properly (no flame at all), hence the no context in all chat log. You use context as an excuse to justify your behaviour when you could just mute/control yourself.

From your 'context': "[still whining so i reply again, i suppose i should have muted them already by now, oh well:]" yeah you should just mute and move on, you did not, you get punished

e46 Fanatic3 votes

bullying is the #1 problem in this game right now.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

LOL

People not using mute and crying about whats said to them when they don't is a bigger problem. If someone says something reportable PUSH THE BUTTON. Then after game FILL REPORT. Congratulations. You've learned how to effectively shut down "bullying".

Carry on

SanKakU1 votes

You can't go back and undo what you have seen. Once someone sends a toxic message into the chat, muting them doesn't erase it from your memory. We need some defenses against bullying.

zPOOPz1 votes

if someone punch you in the face, it doesn't erase it from your memory (or your face) either, but you will be punished if you punch back (because the definition of self-defense is much more stringent than you think.....trust me......think bar fights). In this scenario, you don't punch person back. You call the police (report after game) and charge him with assault.

SanKakU1 votes

Some police don't deal with gangsters because they are too powerful, that's the point of this post. We need to spur Riot to start a war on them IMO. Otherwise, what's the point of having an honor system if some of the people that manage to get the highest honor possible are criminals?

zPOOPz1 votes

You might want to do some research on the honor system before you assume things....

SanKakU1 votes

It's no assumption. The Lux and Quinn both were honored the game before and had honor level 5, it was shown on the loading screen. They both happen to have poor rune pages, Quinn's had armor blues and Lux's rune page was chaotic and included many tier 2 or lower runes.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

HalcyonDweller3 votes

I can see why you would be frustrated with your teammates, I would be too in that situation.

I've linked below a more in-depth discussion that may help you in dealing with awful teammates in the future. And remember, retaliating is never going to work.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bv2m7fx4-feeders-and-toxic-teammates-got-you-down-this-may-help

But also, you've got to look at this another way. When teammates are pissed off at you they are not going to listen to you. So if you want them to listen to you then you need to hold your tongue and curb your temper.

When the vayne screwed up that fight, your reaction in chat angered her and angered your teammates and then they took that anger out on you.

What would have worked better would be to say something like, "Next fight lets focus the Jhin, I think that will work better."

By not singling the vayne out, and by focusing on what can be done in the future (instead of assigning blame about something) you greatly reduce the likelihood that they will react poorly.

SanKakU1 votes

Yeah, you're right. That comment to Vayne would have been much better if I had you type the message for me. I guess that one comment was where the game was lost.

Evidently, I was in no mood to apologize for snapping at her as harshly as I did, but doing that might have salvaged the morale and prevented me from being reported. We probably would have lost the game in the end, but at least the chance for me being reported would have gone down slightly, and at the very least my report would have returned as a false one.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Thanks for understanding, I know that usually people react poorly to posts like this on the forums, so I appreciate that you didn't assume I was like that and then ignore my comment.

Teammates can be a pain in the ass, and it sucks that we have to turn the other cheek in order to interact with them, but damn if that isn't effective.

SanKakU1 votes

Also I'm looking at your post now and I'm thinking about trying something like this.

AFK, just for a few seconds, just enough to get up, pace a few steps, and calm down. Trust me, your game will go much better if you take time to calm down before returning to it.

Maybe instead of pacing I'll just do some stretching or maybe hum for the rest of the game. I don't know.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

That's a great idea :) I hope it works out for you, and if you want to discuss this any further I'd be happy to do so.

EvilDustMan2 votes

Can you post them together without the editing.

SanKakU1 votes

I'm not posting it without the context. If you want it without the context, [just ignore the text inside these symbols]. You really should read all of it.

Chermorg4 votes

The reason people ask for your unedited logs without context is that context is not considered when applying/reviewing punishments. In virtually all cases (minus the rare exception), other peoples’ actions are not an excuse for yours.

SanKakU1 votes

I'm not interested in having a discussion without the context. If that's what you're interested in, you might as well remove the player behavior section of the boards because **nobody **wants to discuss their own punishments without context.

Chermorg3 votes

You may not want to, but if you want to understand why you were punished, you must.

It does not matter whether you agree with the system or not - the system looks at your behavior without context. If you don’t agree with that, fine, but it doesn’t change the fact that the context doesn’t matter.

zPOOPz2 votes

Man, you go from being somewhat helpful to downright obnoxious/toxic. I'll accept your first half to be neutral to somewhat positive, but your last half is just downright toxic. Nothing other people do justify your toxicity. NOTHING because the mute function exists. If you got punished for this, I would say it is well deserved.

Also, your "context" doesn't matter because it is purely from YOUR singular perspective. The only time we would consider context is when you have the EXACT chat logs of other people. Otherwise, your "context" are just conjectures and making it confusing for people to read your log.

SanKakU1 votes

And where was I being obnoxious? I'm curious because all I see here is someone trying to get their team to cooperate.

zPOOPz1 votes

from now on i'm doing NOTHING but protect you because i can't trust you to protect me

if i was salty wouldn't i disconnect

get real

vayne if you tell me something rude like that again i'm muting youi

you inted me into the enemy and told me not to be aggressive

you can lane by youtself now

lux it's cool i got this

unless you int me into their team hanging with you is a million times better than with vayne so shove it

if you right clicked him one more time

instead of running away i would have killed him

actually did you even right click him once???

Try reading it again....which line is helping to get your team to cooperate???? All you are doing is antagonizing your team...

SanKakU1 votes

I think a better view of the situation would be to dive into the replay itself.

But you know, I can admit that I wasn't particularly witty this game.

I shouldn't have to be Prince Charming to avoid getting banned, though.

Do you have any idea how tiresome it is to explain how your champion works and what every one of his abilities does game after game? People generally don't do that. It's simpler to tell them things like 'trust in me' and 'do this or that'.

I can admit I wasn't being diplomatic this game but nobody else was either.

It's not even that I wasn't being myself, it's more like who I am changes from moment to moment.

And when I'm with a team whose values I do not share, I can't help but become another person.

I wish I wasn't like that, but I'm just a victim of my own willingness to be part of the team.

zPOOPz1 votes

Then your problem is not the "bullying" in this game because it looks like you are trying to force your "values" onto your team. Either play the champ how you perceived it should be played or you change into an obnoxious, toxic person. Have you consider that YOU are the bully in this particular game?

SanKakU1 votes

That's not how bullying works."use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants." My 'allies' would pull back allowing enemies to live which would get me killed, thus intentionally feeding me into the enemy team. They were the ones using their influence as damage dealers to bully me.

They wanted me to feed the enemy and to embarrass me and to report me and get me banned. And they did exactly that.

They had the power with their greater numbers and they abused it.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

You don't have to be prince charming just be bigger than the bullshit

If you can't control yourself/take the heat get up out the kitchen son

You're not a victim you're a willing participant

No one is going to feel sorry for you when you show you're part of the problem. Your context doesn't mean anything as there is no rule saying "if you're flamed you're in the clear to be negative back"

SanKakU1 votes

No, I don't think you understand how negativity or flaming work. If you're not going to bother to do your research, you shouldn't be posting in this section of the boards.

Sorin Alucard2 votes

I know League's TOS

You misused chat

You posted evidence of misusing chat

If you reported them for the same amongst other things, it counted just as much against them as it did you.

Your punishment is further evidence

You're not a victim; you're just salty bro.

I suggest you're the one that needs research. The boards are in agreement. Two wrongs don't make a right and you were handed a way to deal with "bullying" before you ever logged on

SanKakU1 votes

No, we have no knowledge without using our own detective skills as to who is in which groups. This is the kind of thing we need to help us deal with bullying. Allow us to see that in the draft and in the loading screen, and even on the scoreboard in game if we were slow to notice it earlier or simply forgot. I shouldn't have to repeat myself.

That game, if I see Vayne is accepting no responsibility and I can't sway Quinn/Diana to see my point of view and soften Lux's heart, then I can just mute all 4 of them straight away. I shouldn't have to expose myself to their toxicity to come to the conclusion that they are in a group. The only in-game indicator of a grouping was the club tag that Vayne and Lux shared. That was their decision, so it hints that they are best of buddies, while the others are simply secondary friends also in their group. But the game doesn't tell us from the start those things, that's why we communicate with our allies, to get to know each other.

I didn't misuse chat, but of course that is merely my opinion and as far as you are concerned, my context is filled with lies. You don't have to believe me, but you should at least be a little bit concerned that we don't know who is in which groups.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

In that case neither I, nor all these other people should've had to repeat themselves either. Also this response is pretty nonsensical

You were wrong. They were wrong. The only difference is you're demanding special treatment. You were given tools to deal with what you call bullying.

Allow us to see what in draft and loading screen? Slow to notice what? How is this a sensical response to what I just said?

actually, it doesn't matter anymore.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

SanKakU1 votes

You're telling me to mute people but you're not telling me who to mute BEFORE they start acting toxic towards me personally. If I know who the first toxic person's friends are of whom I notice first, then I can mute them at the same time and avoid having unreasonably high expectations of our chance to win.

Soulhavok1 votes

I get what you are saying but look at it from their point of view. Who are you to tell them what to do? It's crappy that your point wasn't taken well by them it seems but in reality it's simply easier to not type at all and just use pings. It avoids these dramas

This Is Your Dad2 votes

I think it'd be cool to see who was premade so I could cope with group bullying. Sometimes a whole team will treat me like crap in an aram game and I find out based on clan tags and after game chat that it was a 4 man abusing the last guy.

SanKakU1 votes

Yeah, it's a good idea for all game modes IMO. And in ARAM I can see how it can feel worse because you're constantly at the mercy of the enemy team if there's little to no teamwork. At least on Summoner's Rift you can just walk away from troublesome allies and try to be a distraction for the enemy team.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

You can mute all in League too. You were negative and equally annoying in your chat examples. If you're going to claim being in the right you'd better take the high road instead of complaining and throwing out petty comments. It doesn't matter what they said. Mute them if they're negative. Your tilting is your fault. You aren't excused because they were "bullying" you. Lol thats the silliest shit I hear on the boards. You involve yourself in a pointless conversation with pointless comments that won't help you win and then whine about what was said. If you can't stay mentally resilient and not give into the typing then don't type just shut them up and focus on you.

They're strangers. You're a stranger to them. They can't see your face. They'll prolly never meet you. You shouldn't let them weigh on you enough to get into a fight. You set yourself up for a more unpleasant experience than you were already being forced into. Only thing you can control is yourself

And I'm telling you this after my last game had a trist/nami combo bickering until trist decided to sell her items and run down mid lane asking in All Chat to be banned and "you're welcome for the win <3". I also have made these same chat mistakes and been baited into heated type wars, so I also was just as silly in the past. The only thing we can do is grow and try to help others.

js

Lastly, knowing who is grouped in queue even without club names is a good idea in general.

SanKakU1 votes

I didn't get tilted. To accuse me of otherwise shows that you haven't actually watched the game or didn't even read my context.

But at least you read the outro.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

**"not as big of a problem as our vayne and quinn" **

  • this is only one of several examples of you being passive aggressive. Idc how you slice it, this is petty and meant as an insult.

"not if teammates refuse to obey common sense

**i'm the only one that's bothered to put significant damage on a tower. you don't get to flame me quinn" **

  • Petty and condescending

"diana if these are your friends you're much better off solo"

  • What was the point in saying this? Did it help you win more?

**"can you quit playing with my team and end it? ** **i know you could have by now ** **they are never going to surrender ** they have too much fun flaming me while i hve them muted"

  • Here you're tilted, you've basically said you've given up and you're whining about your teammates.

I'm not saying this is the worst language I've ever seen, but in the end it doesn't matter what they said. YOU were equally as willing to engage in pointless conversations. You should've muted and quietly reported after game.

You were handed 2 tools to deal with this correctly: Mute and Report.

But if you really can't see why you're wrong...

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

SanKakU1 votes

There's nothing petty about that first comment. It's not trivial that we have intentional feeders + non-participating players on our team that have zero interest of winning the game.

If you think intentional feeders and non-participants are inconsequential, then you need another look at how death timers work and the conditions for victory.

Diana was playing extremely badly. Even by her own words she admitted that she doesn't know what she's doing when it comes to jungling. Considering how much complaining she did and refusing to read what I typed, it seemed apparent to me by now that I was playing with a group of 4 players on my team. I was simply declaring my suspicion. I see nothing wrong with that.

I didn't give up I was simply asking them to end the game already because they had many chances to do so. My team had zero interest in winning, and all efforts to mobilize them to take the game seriously blew up in my face. There's nothing left to do but to beg for mercy at this point. You can't call that giving up, it's giving in. There's a big difference. I was still doing what I could to further our team's chances for victory, but at the same time encouraging the opponents to take their win as a show of good sportsmanship.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

Your punishment says otherwise.

Nice straw-man argument

You already forgot I mentioned the int feeder I just had in first comment. Inting isn't trivial. I reported that person.

You're still not excused to misuse chat because you got feeders or flamers

nice try

carry on

SanKakU1 votes

Don't call it petty then if it's not petty. I think the only petty things I've ever done in a game were in single player RPGs. Like killing Emerald Weapon again and again, but even that is really stretching it as it's more of experiencing replay value with the game and satisfying curiosity more than pettiness. But I'm willing to make a stretch for the sake of argument.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

You were spiteful, ergo petty

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

SanKakU1 votes

No, I guess I can see how you'd see it that way. I was just warning her to stay away from those allies of ours because they were untrustworthy. And of course if you look at the rest of the log, you'll notice she ignored my warning.

Guren2751 votes

m8 you're toxic as fuck. It's so frustrating to have someone whine and refuse to play their role in the game properly because you've made one mistake.

This seems about as bad as people refusing to group because someone stole a kill from them.

SanKakU1 votes

No, she made multiple mistakes and acted like I was the one doing all the wrong things instead of accepting responsibility for her own actions. And sicked her team on me to boot. I attempted to salvage the game by supporting other players, but they were not interested in my assistance. I know that was a lot to read, but I hope this makes the situation more clear to you.

Ashen Rider1 votes

Get good?

Squidwards House1 votes

how many read the chatlogs? because with all that useless bs "context" that noone needs and noone cares about, its unreadable to me.

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