Pros and Cons of talking Trash vs Helping your team.

Liquid Sloth··18 votes·1,718 views

PLease read the end note/thoughts at the end before commenting if you cant read the entire thing.

Goal: To win a match

Method: Trash Talking

Examples: 1.) "Go Uninstall Leauge" 2.) "Never play that Champ again" 3.) "Ill do your mom" **anything about anyone's mothers 4.) "Go kill yourself in real life" 5.) " Wow you suck"

Pros: 1.) You think you feel good about yourself and got your socks off by harassing another player

Cons: 1.) You may succeed in getting that player to log off. Thus highly more probable to lose. 2.) If they do actually kill themselves and the family asks for the chat log of the game their child plays. You go to Jail. 3.) If you constantly harass people you have committed a real life crime. States recognize both misdemeanor and felony forms of harassment.

The crime of harassment (which can include stalking, hate crimes, and cyberbullying) occurs when one person acts in a way designed to annoy, provoke, threaten, or otherwise cause another person emotional distress. State laws and some federal laws identify multiple ways in which harassment can be committed.

For most crimes, the prosecutor need only show that the defendant did an act that the law has made illegal. The defendant need not have intended the consequences that result. For example, when someone drives recklessly and causes an accident resulting in death, the driver can be charged with vehicular manslaughter because of his driving, even though he didn’t intend to cause an accident or death.

But many crimes, including harassment, require “specific intent,” which is intending the specific act that one is charged with. This means that the prosecutor must show that the defendant did or said something with the intent that the communication would harass the victim. The person may intend to annoy or intimidate the victim, or the words may be designed to provoke a fight.

Actions that unintentionally cause distress are not considered harassment. For instance, someone who plays loud music and mistakenly thinks that the sound won’t carry has probably not harassed his next-door neighbor.

Examples of Cases both good and bad. (online games/facebook) There are hundreds of these. I cant post them all.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/02/second-teen-spends-months-in-jail-for-video-game-threat/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-09-runescape-player-swatted-in-front-of-60k-twitch-viewers

http://kotaku.com/jailed-league-of-legends-player-it-s-been-blown-out-o-754179072

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/tech/social-media/facebook-threat-carter/

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/07/27/sacramento-gamer-could-be-jailed-for-up-to-five-years-for-violent-online-threats/ ///////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////// /////////////////////////////

Goal: To win a match

Method: Helpfulness/Friendly (never seen anyone with this badge)

Examples: 1.) "Jhin, I see a lot of other successive players that don't build armor at all on him." 2.) "Jhin, try not to push the minion wave to far up until we are ready to push, so we don't get ganked as easy." 3.) "Jhin, I am coming to lane to help out, get ready." 4.) "Jhin, max q 1st if you cant quite hit them with w often... and place some wards in this bush" 5.) " Good job on that kill Jhin" 6.) " Great play Jhin" 7.) " Jhin please don't continue to afk/flame/harass/feed or it will cause us to lose and I will report to try to prevent you from doing it to anyone else" (Sometimes being helpful to everyone just cant be helped) 8.) "This is my 1st time as Ahri, can anyone help me with a build/level 1st?" 9.) " I am losing lane guys what should I do?" 10.) " Im 0/7 can support or jungle come help me?"

Counter Examples as it will happen: 1.) Jhin decides to tell you to f off for stealing his kill in bot lane as you jug gank and he dies. 2.)Jhin decides to tell you to f off he knows what hes building anyways 3.) Jhin decides to afk after losing lane hard. 4.) Jhin decides to blame you for everything or someone else.

Pros:

  1. You receive no penalty from riot games.
  2. Your odds of winning have greatly increased
  3. You may of actually taught that player something and maybe they will become better players one day and help others as you did them.
  4. If they decided to afk and cuss everyone out just report and the chances of that player receiving action has increased. Thus you have done the world of league of favor in making the community a cleaner place for everyone!
  5. You haven't committed a crime.
  6. You may make a friend.

Cons:

  1. You might get harassed. Just mute and report if you warned them.
  2. You still may lose. But in all games 50% of the people will ALWAYS lose 100% of the time no matter how good or how perfect they are at the game. If 10 perfect people played league. 5 of them will still lose.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

End thought You may think that bullying and harassment may be the start of the fall of our society being weak. As there are real world problems that easily trump this. You may be right. I may think this way as well. But if your gonna stand up for what you believe in and goto jail for it... because not all laws are just, as history as shown us this many times... maybe... you should think about the pros and cons of your actions. Maybe you should pick your battles and not fight all of them. Pick the smartest route to fight your cause. Leauge of Legends may not be that route.

End Note: If you are replying about laws from state or seriousness of them. I do not care to argue nor talk about them beyond what I am about to say. If you think you can get away with it, if you think its worth it, then go for it. All I can say is good luck. Leave me out of it. There is so many loopholes in lawyer cases for offensive and defensive. I hope your well educated and have the money if you think that way.

32 Comments

Marshbouy14 votes

A+ post. not S grade because you didn't get enough CS :)

GULAG 4 U6 votes

[zombie-brand-clap] I give up, you win, I'll gift you rp gg

Marshbouy2 votes

I'll take the Rp. i want those cache's

GULAG 4 U1 votes

kek gg

Marshbouy1 votes

ik. doesn't mean i can't ask for rp [zombie-nunu-bummed]

ActivatingEMP2 votes

{quoted}

I'll take the Rp. i want those cache's

Same

Amasa Delano1 votes

You want those cache's what?

Marshbouy1 votes

Augment caches from project

DragonsSinWraith5 votes

I read the First quarter and its 5 o'clock in the morning and I haven't slept yet and that's some intense shit. All I got to say is nail those trash talkers and get them in prison. XD

disregardable2 votes

Harassment must be pervasive or severe for it to be criminal. On the subject of severity, behavior which would not offend a reasonable person is not against the law. So, if you tell a depressed teenager to commit suicide (only once!), you will not be held responsible. Obviously it'd be different if you'd continuously done that, but only once is not pervasive or severe.

Edit: not a lawyer yet, and this is US law only.

Liquid Sloth1 votes

{quoted}

Harassment must be pervasive or severe for it to be criminal. On the subject of severity, behavior which would not offend a reasonable person is not against the law. So, if you tell a depressed teenager to commit suicide (only once!), you will not be held responsible. Obviously it'd be different if you'd continuously done that, but only once is not pervasive or severe.

Edit: not a lawyer yet, and this is US law only.

Not true there are extreme cases that have happened and I have seen worse on leauge yet I was not emotionally distraught by it myself. For something being said once. If someone says go kill yourself and it was the final point for someone and they do it. You goto jail. If someone says ima come kill your whole family and logs off just after saying it once. and that kid feels like its true. That person will goto jail if caught. It has happened.

One good example is calling a school with a bomb threat. Just once is good enough for it to be a crime.

disregardable1 votes

Bomb threats and personal harassment are not the same thing. Someone that is depressed is not in a rational state of mind, and you can't expect to be aware of everyone's mental state. You are not arrested for harmless remarks to anonymous strangers on the internet.

Shahamut1 votes

Harassment is defined mostly by the victims feelings. There is the "reasonable person" clause, to protect against rediculous claims, but it should be noted that harassment can happen even when not intended, and it does NOT have to be multiple occasions.

disregardable1 votes

it should be noted that harassment can happen even when not intended, and it does NOT have to be multiple occasions.

Absolutely! This case is just not that.

Mr Fidori1 votes

If someone says go kill yourself and it was the final point for someone and they do it.

I'm all for ending toxicity, but the notion around here that this is how depression works is dumb. There is no "final point". It's a long, gradual process, and someone saying something once isn't going to be the straw that broke the camel's back, because there isn't one.

If you say that to someone, are you still a piece of shit? Sure. Can you still be charged in some states? Yeah. But that one person is not going to be solely responsible.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

So if telling someone to kts irl and they do it ya get in shit, if you do it online shouldn't you still get in shit?

disregardable1 votes

For the most part you wouldn't in real life, either. Pervasive is the key term here. If you just walk past someone and tell them to kill themselves (which is the equivalent of doing so on league) and they do so, you probably wouldn't even get arrested.

It's only a criminal offense if it's long term bullying, so you would've caused him to feel that way.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Just because "you wouldn't do it irl" it doesn't make it correct or whatsoever. And yes you can still get charges.

disregardable1 votes

You might get sued by the family under tort law (which would not in any way result in damages), but it's definitely not a criminal offense, in real life or online.

PaladinNO1 votes

not a lawyer yet

Humour me on this one, please, if you will: I once had a case of the following happen: ARAM game, my team thrashing the other. We were all - me in particular, as I was playing Katarina - accused of cheating and whatnot. I didn't bother replying, mostly because I was already condemned here and so it wouldn't matter what I said, but also two on my team (no, not premades ^^) verified on my behalf that I didn't cheat.

Then, after the game, one of them wanted to add me to their friendslist. I recognized the name as...basically the worst one of the flamers, but in good spirits, I accepted.

Only thing he said was this: "I'll come and kill you."

I didn't really care how serious he might be, but I responded with this: "Please, come. Bring friends if you want - I'll be ready for you. I'l bury you all in the hillside, where no one will ever find your bodies."

He didn't respond anything, and I assumed he had already removed me again before I got to write the above (the Rito client showed him as online, but I'm guessing that's just another bug to fix).

But there's my question: if he/they had come, likely armed in some way, to my house, would I have had the right to defend my life by any means necessary and with whatever the outcome? This would've been...outside the U.S. to put it that way, with different laws and all that, but in general (if that's possible to answer)?

I did take it as a fake threat, but I still may or may not have not followed the proper procedures regarding the storage of armaments the next couple days... ...I likely would have buried them all in the hillside, like I said, if had they come and let that be the end of it from my side.

Nothing ever did happen, like I expected, but I don't take kindly to threats. As I would've been ready for them, I never did bother contacting this game's Support or other authorities about the incident.

disregardable2 votes

Depends on where and with what you defended yourself with. Burying someone that attacked you in the hillside would almost certainly make it illegal, 0/10 would not recommend. If you only acted in self defense with a legal weapon in an area where you are legally permitted to be and the police are not corrupt, you should always call a lawyer and the police.

Phenyxs2 votes

This game after some research does qualify as a toxic, verbal harassment atmosphere. This game is a generated internet cite for cyber bullying which it is. And most states with proof will file a criminal complaint. Thus meaning series you in court. The nation wide stand against cyber bullying is at all time high. Riot ask us to report them after game. And the feed back from the reports are? I see one 1 in 3 months and says they had a bad day. Ok.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Enticement t suicide/bullying is only a crime in a few states.

Liquid Sloth1 votes

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Enticement t suicide/bullying is only a crime in a few states.

True, but it also depends on the website. Ie Facebook. Doesn't matter what state your in. Here is an example with leauge of legends/facebook.

http://kotaku.com/jailed-league-of-legends-player-it-s-been-blown-out-o-754179072

Maximum Morde1 votes

It matters still in the sense that the state wishing to prosecute had to get extradition from the other State. For a felony, they MIGHT be able to get it. And I'd be damned if I would show up to face criminal charges in another state. I just wouldn't go there ever and there would be zero punishment.

HaloDragonX1 votes

Pros of Helping without being Nice:

You're Helping, you can still say I don't need to be X to say X.

Cons:

People get mad at you despite you actually telling them what they did wrong.

I7A6X2v21 votes

**The smurfs are the ones that make league so toxic. **

PaladinNO1 votes

I have tried these ones enough times now.

9.) " I am losing lane guys what should I do?"

... because the answer to this I remember receving the most is: "uninstall" or "go play tetris".

Or this one:

10.) " Im 0/7 can support or jungle come help me?"

"fck yuo noob" or "stfu reported feeder".

And so I don't ask anymore. But instead mute all, stays top and play defensively. And then watching my towers stay the longest (until all 5 on the other team comes all around me after having killed the other 4 on my "team").

Even with these kinds of defeats, I take some part of satisfaction from it. Because as I asked for help and/or advice, and didn't get it (to put it nicely), then I take that as a clear sign of the others thinking themselves well capable of handing the other team on their own.

Liquid Sloth1 votes

{quoted}

I have tried these ones enough times now.

... because the answer to this I remember the most is: "uninstall" or "go play tetris".

Or this one:

"fck yuo noob" or "stfu reported feeder".

And so I don't ask anymore. But instead mute all, stays top and play defensively. And then watching my towers stay the longest (until all 5 on the other team comes all around me after having killed the other 4 on my "team").

Even with these kinds of defeats, I take some part of satisfaction from it. Because as I asked for help and/or advice, and didn't get it (to put it nicely), then I take that as a clear sign of the others thinking themselves well capable of handing the other team on their own.

Happens ;p. There is a thing as bad luck. or 9-14 years old logic.

tophit2 votes

Play Nasus. If you play defensively all game and they leave you to freefarm, don't matter if they 5 man bang you under the tower. Q them so hard their heads will end up going through their anuses in the wrong direction.

Disclaimer: This may or may not work. Poster is not responsible for any anus related injuries.

SMHjustSMH1 votes
  1. I'm so glad you brought this up. Not many people know that cyberbullying is against the law. TBH, most of the time I mute everyone at the very beginning of the game because I'm sick of all the flaming (towards me, towards teammates, and towards enemies). I love League and I am very competitive but I just don't understand how/why so many people get so upset. It's like their lives depend on winning the game. News flash: I'm 99.9% sure it doesn't!
  2. What's up with you and Jhin? LOL
  3. This is just something that bugs me. You wrote: "3. You may of actually ". It should be "3. You may have actually "
Liquid Sloth2 votes

You got me learning stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uEtcJPPWPU

Have is a verb. Of is a preposition.

"I should have drank more coffee." "I ordered a cup of coffee."

Because, Knowledge is power!

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