"Are you the feeder Ashe from my last game?"

LeafieGreens2·Mar 8, 2019·20 votes·13,113 views

I am so frustrated.

So I get into a ranked game, preselect my champ - I am an ADC Ashe main. I've climbed from Iron 1 to Silver 3.

During the draft the jungler types "Are you the feeder Ashe from my last game?" and then bans Ashe before I can answer. Grrrr.

Obviously I wasn't the same Ashe, as I had just logged in for the first time today. To make matters worse, I only main Ashe and now was forced to play someone I am not as proficient with -- Jinx (I know, I know, I'm working on my Jinx game).

Once in game we struggled bot lane and at about 10 minutes both me and my support were 0/1. At this point the Junger (who was Jarvan) said "You definitely are the feeder Ashe from last game, I'm not going to gank bot at all because it's pointless."

So I muted him at this point and focused on my game. But we struggled and ultimately lost.

And then after the game I dropped down to Silver IV again. UGH.

I am just so frustrated that this guy trolled the game because of something that happened in a previous damn game. He literally set himself up to lose because he carried his frustration from a previous game.

So, back to the struggle to get from Silver 4 to Silver 3.

69 Comments

ChaosReynMar 8, 201915 votes

This is why I would never hover a pick. Too many idiots, not enough reason to justify carrying them. >.>

AbiwonKenabiMar 9, 20191 votes

Yeah, but you don't really want them to ban your pick either, especially if you're playing someone banned frequently. The hope is if you hover they won't ban your champion. I know it doesn't always work out that way, but still.

Definitely been in plenty of situations where I didn't hover and they banned the Champ I was intending to play; not out of any malicious intent, but just because they didn't know.

Ahri BakaMar 8, 20197 votes

good luck next and sorry for that

Who Fed RuMar 8, 20193 votes

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XidphelMar 8, 20196 votes

Why WOULD OP int him?

Original SinMar 8, 20192 votes

cos an eye for an eye

JayceGatsbyMar 11, 20193 votes

Morons who ban your pick will usually stay on low tiers, as they arent even aware they are sabotaging their own games.

Jennifer420Mar 8, 20192 votes

while this has nothing to do with the thread im just really curious. how can anyone main ashe right now? she seems incredible weak and on the adc list seems like the trash tier.

LeafieGreens2Mar 8, 20194 votes

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while this has nothing to do with the thread im just really curious. how can anyone main ashe right now? she seems incredible weak and on the adc list seems like the trash tier.

I don't know how to answer this. She was weak till the last patch when they fixed ADC's again. She has great poke with her W and great kiting ability. I guess I have just played her the most since 2009 (didn't start playing ranked till last year), so I am familiar with her. Positioning / poking is key. Late game you can carry easily as she scales very well. Youtube some Ashe diamond videos for proof. :)

Jennifer420Mar 8, 20191 votes

everyone says ashe has great poke with w. while i admit that when 5v5 you dance around and poke each other before the real fiight starts, yes its impossible for all 5 enemys to dodge ashe w and it has a decent (100% bonus ad?) scale.

but in a teamfight her r is usually close range which means the stun is like 0.3 seconds and her q needs stacking and even when its fully stacked, its not as good as steroids like twitch q, xayah w etc etc.

idk i always liked ashe, was one of my first adcs but i just cant get any decent results with her anymore. the only place i get good results with her is in urf with w max and lethality.

MessyStuffMar 9, 20193 votes

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everyone says ashe has great poke with w. while i admit that when 5v5 you dance around and poke each other before the real fiight starts, yes its impossible for all 5 enemys to dodge ashe w and it has a decent (100% bonus ad?) scale.

but in a teamfight her r is usually close range which means the stun is like 0.3 seconds and her q needs stacking and even when its fully stacked, its not as good as steroids like twitch q, xayah w etc etc.

idk i always liked ashe, was one of my first adcs but i just cant get any decent results with her anymore. the only place i get good results with her is in urf with w max and lethality.

Ok, look at her winrate. https://champion.gg/champion/Ashe/ADC And with the crit changes, she does a lot of damage. Just kite and your slow/stun will make sure they will never reach her(unless they are extremely mobile assassins) and with 225% damage, she's pretty good.

Jennifer420Mar 9, 20191 votes

hm not bad. but when is her powerspike?

Sp33d Zer0Mar 9, 20191 votes

Depends, what is your build?

item 3153 rush you spike super hard at one item. If you get item 3031 off a snowballing lane then you spike super hard as well.

item 3085 gives you a lot of power in team fights and skirmishes and lets you shove faster so thats a good spike.

Honestly, I would argue her weakest spike is her 4th item, but even then she has a very good, linear power curve that still caps out at about the same spot as most other ADCs imo.

WhitakkerMar 9, 20191 votes

I'm a trash Silver (s8), and Ashe is one of my sentimental faves. But even with the crit changes that make Ashe "good/viable" again, I still feel like I have to work twice as hard as any of the other meta ADCs to achieve the same success in game. A lot of current ADCs have some mechanic or other than works to help them out on their own, more or less. Ashe has a slow, one stun...and that's it. I feel like you just CANNOT afford to be even one pixel out of position with her in a teamfight, or else you won't even get to wind up your Q before the Zed looks at you, walks past all 4 of your teammates, and ults you with no consequences.

I believe the numbers that Ashe is in a decent spot, I just very rarely see it realized in my ELO.

Austin CovelloMar 9, 20191 votes

You forgot her E. (Not surprised, since most do.) Ashe's E can help you probe unwarded bushes for camping junglers and they can scout out enemy jungle buffs and secondary objectives, as well as "paint" targets for long-ranged abilities (including your ult). Even if you can't use the info directly, maybe someone on your team can. And that's just on summoner's rift, where you have trinkets and control wards. On Twisted Treeline, where there's no sustainable vision, that E gives you a spectacular vision advantage.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 9, 20196 votes

Her W poke is monstrous in lane and lets you get easy multiple auto trades while outranging any ADC not name Caitlyn. Her W is also 100% total AD IIRC.

In teamfights your stun is only .3 seconds if they are litterally on top of you. You use your ult to catch that support trying to flank or the carry who stepped forward to poke. It also snowballs you hard early with a damage or engage support to follow it up.

If you can't get any good results on her, I would suggest checking out my stats and items on her and see if you can figure out why I picked the stuff I did.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Sp33d%20Zer0

SugarliciousMar 9, 20192 votes

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I didn't read all the comments but I have to ask... why do you play ranked if you only main one champ? I wouldn't dare go into ranked until I am proficient in at least 3 champs. So if one gets banned, I have 2 alternatives to choose based on the enemy pick, which I could play decently and comfortably. This is especially important when talking about Ashe, since she's generally a weak pick, in my opinion (she was my most killed champ at the end of last year).

So yes, while you can argue that they cost you the game for being frustrated and mistaking you for another player, it's your fault as well for even entering ranked unprepared.

LeafieGreens2Mar 9, 20191 votes

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I didn't read all the comments but I have to ask... why do you play ranked if you only main one champ? I wouldn't dare go into ranked until I am proficient in at least 3 champs. So if one gets banned, I have 2 alternatives to choose based on the enemy pick, which I could play decently and comfortably. This is especially important when talking about Ashe, since she's generally a weak pick, in my opinion (she was my most killed champ at the end of last year).

So yes, while you can argue that they cost you the game for being frustrated and mistaking you for another player, it's your fault as well for even entering ranked unprepared.

I don't only play one champ. I can play a few right now besides Ashe. Next would be Jinx, then Kaisa, Miss Fortune, and Vayne. I'm just saying I am the most proficient at Ashe. I'm working on my other ADC champs.

After ADC I prefer support and have many champs I play (really like Thresh, then Braum, then Nami, Soraka, Lux...).

Austin CovelloMar 9, 20191 votes

Go watch ohbrooke's stream some time. She's a diamond Zyra one-trick. Her team also won the Golden Girls tournament on twitch a couple of weeks back.

goodiesohhiMar 10, 20192 votes

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I didn't read all the comments but I have to ask... why do you play ranked if you only main one champ? I wouldn't dare go into ranked until I am proficient in at least 3 champs. So if one gets banned, I have 2 alternatives to choose based on the enemy pick, which I could play decently and comfortably. This is especially important when talking about Ashe, since she's generally a weak pick, in my opinion (she was my most killed champ at the end of last year).

So yes, while you can argue that they cost you the game for being frustrated and mistaking you for another player, it's your fault as well for even entering ranked unprepared.

There are countless otp's in high elo who just dodge when their champion is banned.

MullaousMar 9, 20192 votes

Ashe is a utility adc. She's pretty much always going to be useful regardless of whether she's weak or strong because she can get picks with arrow and give vision with E.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 9, 20191 votes

Idk, I'm sitting on a 78% win rate on her right now (was 83%, but I dropped a few).

As Ashe you have really good poke in lane with some of the highest damage, you pair super well with mage supports + pyke, you still have really good damage and a flexible build (I have a bruiser build in particular that I really enjoy using in high damage games on both teams).

It's kind of like saying support seems incredibly weak because it doesn't do as much damage as the other roles. It still has a lot of damage in it, it just also brings utility.

Jennifer420Mar 9, 20191 votes

what is your bruiser build? i guess black cleaver first

Sp33d Zer0Mar 9, 20191 votes

item 3153 item 3006 / item 3047 item 3085 item 3071 item 3046 item 3031

It spikes really well with Black Cleaver because of the combination of your speed boost from its passive + your slow on autos AND you apply 5 stacks of it with 1 auto from Q. Bork makes you win almost any trade early and you even beat Draven at 1 item. You can get IE before PD if you aren't at too much risk and you can skip PD for Last whisper against big tanks (but in that case you were better off going crit anyways)

For runes, Lethal Tempo, Overheal, I like bloodline but you can take the Attack speed one if you prefer, and the bonus damage to low health in the last spot.

Secondary page take manflow and gathering storm.

Build also works well on AD heavy teams since BC is BC\

Also my preferred build if you have damage threats in every role

Austin CovelloMar 9, 20191 votes

Did you not see the series of utility buffs she received? Her range is 600, and she was just below tier 1 yesterday on op.gg. Also, she had a >50% against every ADC not named Sivir. This, ladies and gents, is what you call a "hidden OP."

goodiesohhiMar 10, 20192 votes

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while this has nothing to do with the thread im just really curious. how can anyone main ashe right now? she seems incredible weak and on the adc list seems like the trash tier.

Idk. According to Champion.gg she;s 3rd highest winrate atm. a few days ago she was first.

ºFerrAhriºMar 10, 20191 votes

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while this has nothing to do with the thread im just really curious. how can anyone main ashe right now? she seems incredible weak and on the adc list seems like the trash tier.

stop chasing meta and let people play what they enjoy.

Jennifer420Mar 10, 20191 votes

as i wrote before, i used to main ashe but cant get any decent results with her anymore so im looking for builds and experiences.

ºFerrAhriºMar 10, 20191 votes

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as i wrote before, i used to main ashe but cant get any decent results with her anymore so im looking for builds and experiences.

oh didn't realize you are the thread poster lol. I'd suggest looking up op.gg for builds. and as for mechanics, watch high ranked players on youtube and twitch. there's always something to learn from them. if it's certain match ups, you can also learn to play those champions as well and then you'll be able to predict what your opponent is thinking much better. I don't know much about bots but the new items seems have shaken up the both meta. Ashe is at 50.92% win rate right now. maybe you gotta change up your play style for the new meta a bit.

Deliberate InterMar 9, 20192 votes

You shouldn't be playing ranked if you're frustrated and you can't conduct yourself properly. just sort yourself out then play when you can be a positive, useful asset to the team rather than some whiny liability. You will climb faster and your team won't be roped into your personal life or problems or whatever (:

LeafieGreens2Mar 9, 20194 votes

I was going to respond to this obvious trolling comment but before I did, I looked up his op.gg

I suggest others take a look at it too.

Yeah.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Deliberate InterMar 9, 20191 votes

Doesn't mean anything. You don't know if I'm on a lose streak, if i'm hardstuck, if I am some toxic person that makes my team leaves, if I get queue sniped and inted on, if I am a serious player who just makes macro mistakes or if I am an inter or ninja throwing smurf. I am not a troll but you are judging by the way you talk...

LeafieGreens2Mar 9, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bYweI7oL,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-03-09T01:40:46.877+0000)

Doesn't mean anything. You don't know if I'm on a lose streak, if i'm hardstuck, if I am some toxic person that makes my team leaves, if I get queue sniped and inted on, if I am a serious player who just makes macro mistakes or if I am an inter or ninja throwing smurf. I am not a troll but you are judging by the way you talk...

lol

Keep digging.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Deliberate InterMar 9, 20191 votes

Me thinks you don't know what that expression means ;)

LeafieGreens2Mar 9, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bYweI7oL,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-09T02:34:13.756+0000)

Me thinks you don't know what that expression means ;)

lol

Thanks for keeping my thread active.

Keep digging bro. Maybe you can get to whatever is below Iron 4

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Deliberate InterMar 9, 20191 votes

You just say that because you don't have the nerve to challenge me. You know i'd destroy you ^^

MessyStuffMar 9, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bYweI7oL,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-09T02:40:05.006+0000)

You just say that because you don't have the nerve to challenge me. You know i'd destroy you ^^

Ok, "Me thinks you don't know", LOL. And seriously, I actually don't know how your winrate... and Iron 4, i'm pretty bad(Bronze 3) but seriously? It's usually only trolls and feeders down there so you probably troll your game like you're trying to put troll comments.

Deliberate InterMar 9, 20191 votes

So am I worse than you or am I a troll? make up your mind. In either case I saw some of your replays and i'd definitely demolish you in game.

MessyStuffMar 9, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bYweI7oL,comment-id=000700000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-09T03:56:00.146+0000)

So am I worse than you or am I a troll? make up your mind. In either case I saw some of your replays and i'd definitely demolish you in game.

Yup, you just saw some of my replays in one minute. You might be worse than me or a troll. But if you want to find out, friend me and custom game me.

Deliberate InterMar 9, 20191 votes

Bzzzt, wrong, I flipped through some of your replays 15 minutes ago. Macro mistakes innocently keeping me in iron or not, I am sure I could make a joke out of any matchup against you. You're nowhere near good enough to even lane against me (:

MullaousMar 9, 20194 votes

7 w / 53 l adc... What macro mistakes are you "innocently" making? Right clicking on an enemy tower then going to take a piss?

LeafieGreens2Mar 9, 20192 votes

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7 w / 53 l adc... What macro mistakes are you "innocently" making? Right clicking on an enemy tower then going to take a piss?

this made me lol

AccursedDreamMar 9, 20193 votes

I'm scowling through your match history and all I saw was red for miles. Majority of your games also involved you feeding. Riot made iron for people like you for a reason.

KFCeytronMar 9, 20192 votes

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I was going to respond to this obvious trolling comment but before I did, I looked up his op.gg

I suggest others take a look at it too.

Yeah.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Pay no attention to the troll, friendo.

Inkling CommandoMar 9, 20192 votes

pay no attention to Brony Gaymer. he had a couple of troll posts the other day so he just seeks attention.

KFCeytronMar 9, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inkling Commando,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bYweI7oL,comment-id=000700000002,timestamp=2019-03-09T04:26:07.221+0000)

pay no attention to Brony Gaymer. he had a couple of troll posts the other day so he just seeks attention.

A couple? You mean all of them?

Inkling CommandoMar 9, 20191 votes

i only saw two. trade off to muting and pings costing gold.

KFCeytronMar 9, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inkling Commando,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bYweI7oL,comment-id=00070000000200000000,timestamp=2019-03-09T05:52:19.885+0000)

i only saw two. trade off to muting and pings costing gold.

Check the post history. He's posted ten in the last day. Getting pretty spammy, actually (I'm reporting them as such).

BrightWîngsMar 9, 20191 votes

This game effects the weak minded very easily I understand your frustration but just try to understand he has issues that make him the way he is. I'm not saying just because ones mind isn't set in the correct way that their actions are justified. Just move on and take him as an example and a reason to be the best person you can possibly be :)

LeafieGreens2Mar 9, 20193 votes

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This game effects the weak minded very easily I understand your frustration but just try to understand he has issues that make him the way he is. I'm not saying just because ones mind isn't set in the correct way that their actions are justified. Just move on and take him as an example and a reason to be the best person you can possibly be :)

Exactly.

After I calmed down and stopped feeling frustrated I came back and pounded out some wins and already am back to Silver 3.

Now on to Silver 2!

Ashe