If ELO boosting is not valid, why smurfing ranked is allowed?

Kartagia·Dec 1, 2016·6 votes·1,079 views

Dear Riot,

Why smurfing (playign ranked with alternate account intentionally put to lower ranking than yours) is allowed while it ruins the MMR and league system just like MMR boosting? Is it because RIot cannot detect such thing, or because Riot does not want to anger players who make climbing out of silver and bronze literally requiring to be platinum and diamond as you play against smurfs with their mains at that skill level? And those smurfs cosntantly come to tell us in forum "climbing out of silver is easy"...

17 Comments

MartensiticDec 1, 20164 votes

If cheese is yellow, then why do cars have tires?

^^ Logic of your above question ^^

Boosting and smurfing have nothing to do with each other.

Mister PunchesDec 1, 20162 votes

People can ask their smurf friends to carry them to the next tier. Some people smurf and can potentially make money off of it as well by helping out their friends, or getting that account to Gold or something and selling it to someone.

Either way, it kind of does tie in together, though not very strongly.

KartagiaDec 1, 20162 votes

And my point of ruining MMR system and League system by making some players in low tier to play way better they should in that tier, was totally ignored. Apparently I hit the nerve of plats who wants wins but cannot get them in plat.

KartagiaDec 1, 20163 votes

THey do.Both of them ruin MMR and league system, as you are rewarded like you lost or won vs. player of your skill level, but you are playing against plaeyrs with vast better skill level. If you cannot grasp such detail from MMR system, I suggest you stop arguing for the system. I bet you are one of the smurfs coming to ranked bronze to get easy wins to boost your ego.

MartensiticDec 1, 20164 votes

I suggest you stop arguing for the system. I bet you are one of the smurfs coming to ranked bronze to get easy wins to boost your ego.

I bet you are one of the players who always blame circumstances when they lose (Smurfs, feeders, toxic team, sun was in my eye) but NEVER, EVER themselve.

You play Zyra with smite and TP. Game after game.
You seem to have one single champion that you can actually play.
Your KDA on average is abysmal.
So is your CS.
Your runes are a mess

#Smurfs are not the reson you lose games, sunshine. You are.

KartagiaDec 1, 20163 votes

ANother K/D/A for all argument without checking how my team mates played. I bet I hurt your feelings by poitning out your main fun source, smurfign and beating way less skilled people in forums and games, came out.

Tell me.. Support doing creeps. Hmm. Itneresting. You value CS of supporst. I have had several games wiht me MOST CREEPS IN MY TEAM. But .. that i spointless as you have STORNK FAITH IN K/D/A. IT does not matter K/D/A has not a single goal of game. It does not matter I play for REAL GOALS OF GAME; NOT KILLS.

Apparenlty I hurt your faith of K/D/A and right of smurfs to do what ever they want. Why you did not touch THE FACTS I TOLD WHY THEY RUIN MMR AND LEAGUE SYSTEM? Ah. You cannot as they are facts. Riot have stated out them as facts why MMR boosters are banned.

MartensiticDec 1, 20164 votes

ANother K/D/A for all argument

Awww, you mad cuz getting called out for your BS? You claim that smurfs are a problem, and that they are responsible for you losing lots of games. I show off your picks, builds and playstyle as the main problem, because sunshine, statistically there is a smurf in less than 1/4 of your games.

But you, you are in every single one of them.

I bet I hurt your feelings by poitning out your main fun source, smurfign and beating way less skilled people in forums and games, came out.

No smurf is required to beat teams that suffer from having to play with a tp smite zyra with full AP/lvl runes.

and right of smurfs to do what ever they want.

They actually do, because being better than you at this game is not illegal.

Why you did not touch THE FACTS I TOLD WHY THEY RUIN MMR AND LEAGUE SYSTEM?

I orgininally did before I edited it out to focus more on your hillariously bad decisions for picks and builds. But okay, lets also smash this last remaining argument of yours:

Smurfs don't ruin the MMR system. When I smurf, I win lots of games. My MMR climbs fast, and I get matched with and against other smurfs and talented new players, while the people who play smite/tp Zyra, are left behind to play amongst their own.

You could argue that your MMR would be higher, if there were no smurfs. That is correct. Same as your MMR would be higher, if there were no people who play real support builds instead of smite/tp Zyra.

However, you will have to come to terms with the fact, that, smurfs or not, there are players who are much better than you at this game. So you can either continue to complain about the world being unfair, or, you could try to become a better player.

(Hint: The latter method is the one that works.)

Riot have stated out them as facts why MMR boosters are banned.

Link where riot states that smurfing is bad for the game? Oh, you don't have any? A shame.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

KartagiaDec 1, 20162 votes

{quoted} Smurfs don't ruin the MMR system. When I smurf, I win lots of games. My MMR climbs fast, and I get matched with and against other smurfs and talented new players, while the people who play smite/tp Zyra, are left behind to play amongst their own.

You could argue that your MMR would be higher, if there were no smurfs. That is correct. Same as your MMR would be higher, if there were no people who play real support builds instead of smite/tp Zyra.

And if that is true, then smurfs ruin MMR system. You stated it yourself. If my MMR is lower than it should, your smurfing ruins the MMR system. It does also ruin league system, as RIot does not do as good ELO systems does: for those who are climbing, their opponent MMR change is updated according to the actual MMR of player. Thus my MMR would be risen as you climb as you were placed too low MMR. Apparenlty you are totally clueless on basic axioms of ELO systems, as you argue your smurfing placing people lower MMR where they should is breaking it.

First. I am playing support zyra. Second. I do not give a shit of kills as they are not goal of this game. Third: riot had made it harder to get assists. Also, you ignore the effect to my K/D/A my team mate play does. You only think support is only one who affects K/D/A of othres.

I have several times stated why I play tp and smite, but your kind never replies to it. And reason is simple: you base your tactics solely on K/D/A not real tactical objectives.

Why I do have tp ? It is best STRATEGICAL movement spell. Allowing me to go fast where needed, IF team can ward. IF team cannot ward, game is lost anyway, flash won't save it.

Why do I have smite? Dragon. That is main reason: The value of Dragon, but aparently people below challenger did not get the effect of chagnes on season 6 jungle and dragon and baron. You did not get it.

Why I do not have flash? TOo many champoins have flashlike abilities making zyra flash most of the time useless, as enemy flash and use flashlike. Or speed buff, or jump on.

MartensiticDec 1, 20161 votes

its okay, rage on, and trust in other salty bronze who get smashed by better players to downvote me because smurfs surely are the reason why you are not "jallenjoooourr11!!!" :D

Smurfing will continue, so will your rage.

And I will continue not to give a sh*t ^^

KartagiaDec 1, 20161 votes

Another polite higher division player not violating etiquette, as you think you define etiquette...

MartensiticDec 1, 20161 votes

Do you know what isn't etiquette?

Playing a nonsensical pick, with sub-par summoners, and that badly, and then complain about supposed "smurfs", without any proof, and blaming basically every circumstance in the universe, EXCEPT YOURSELF, for losing games.

#Now lets smash your unfounded accusations

Do you know how dicks smurf? In low level. In low level ONLY.

Because, when you make an account and play it to lvl 3 (the earliest level where you can do PvP), you are in heaven. These are the games where you can go 44/1/20 on something like Garen, and not give a single, solitary fk.

The higher you play, the more you win, the less fun our theoretical dick-smurf has, because his MMR inevitably rises, and sooner or later you get queued exclusively with, guess who, exactly: OTHER SMURFS.

At which point things become pointless, because you might as well log on your main, where you have skins and full summoners/masteries/runes, and similarly skilled opponents.

So, what does the theoretical dick-smurf do if he wants to continue being a dick?

He creates a new fake-GMail account. He creates a new League account with that address. He plays 3-4 botgames until lvl 3. He buys Garen. He ruins more new players day.

That's how a dick smurfs. No one plays accounts to lvl 30, and then bothers to do ranked, just to troll low ELO players, not when having greater "fun" is much easier to achieve on low level accounts.

Lux Is Mai WaifuDec 1, 20161 votes

Because smurfs count as "players", which Riot can count more than once to pretend their game hasn't peaked.

AnomanderDec 1, 20161 votes

Getting carried is different then someone else playing on your account.

xelakerDec 2, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Dear Riot,

Why smurfing (playign ranked with alternate account intentionally put to lower ranking than yours) is allowed while it ruins the MMR and league system just like MMR boosting? Is it because RIot cannot detect such thing, or because Riot does not want to anger players who make climbing out of silver and bronze literally requiring to be platinum and diamond as you play against smurfs with their mains at that skill level? And those smurfs cosntantly come to tell us in forum "climbing out of silver is easy"...

how on earth do they even begin to catch them lol

KartagiaDec 2, 20161 votes

There is several ways. F. ex. Ident. Also watching suspected game reviews. IT is not that hard as most of smurfs does advertise it.

It is no harder than catching MMR boosters.

xJayerinoDec 3, 20161 votes

The Problem about detecting a smurf is :

they can't use your connection information to the server because it could be just your brother/friend/whatever that connects to the server with another account on your computer and that's not banworthy.
you can't ban someone for playing good. If i play my 10 placement matches on my main and win every one of them because I'm just good for being a beginner...you would think I'm a Smurf instead right? The System would search for an extreme high winratio and ban people like that for being better than their elo they are actually at. That would destroy the sense behind the ranked system and many innocent people would be damaged from that.

There are sadly not many other opportunities to detect smurfs.You would ban people that probably don't even smurf.

I can understand how frustrating it is to play against smurfs, but there are two teams. you could be just as lucky as your enemies sometimes and get the smurfs in your team. Most of the time you are really responsible for your own elo, as hard as it sounds. Just keep playing and try your best mate =D. GL.

XenoxiDec 3, 20161 votes

I think smurfs are good, as a matter of fact, being bronze, and someone claims to be a diamond smurf (Then play like it) my team or not, it helps me understand the game better, yeah i might lose that game, but i might also learn something from that smurf. I think you're just to ignorant to realize you're bad and then use smurfing to back your losses.

EDIT: You should also work on your grammar.