I talked in a game recently. I didn't say anything toxic, and I'm pretty sure no one reported me.

Surr20plz··4 votes·966 views

But I'm still scared I'll banned.

Because like 8 games down the road. My team will blame me.

I'll get a reform card that is blank for 2 matches and has the innocuous non toxic talk from my last match.

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digimonteamjacob2 votes

RIP.

Welcome to Riot Games.

Kei1432 votes

false reports get thrown out.

i am comfortable with people reporting me, cos I don't grief, I don't have a negative attitude, I don't flame, I don't say passive-aggressive things, I don't intentionally feed.

centuriation551 votes

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false reports get thrown out.

i am comfortable with people reporting me, cos I don't grief, I don't have a negative attitude, I don't flame, I don't say passive-aggressive things, I don't intentionally feed.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/faXsHil7-permanently-banned-for-no-reason Not true. Rioters states false reports stay the system just finds the real reason you were reported, making something up.

Daen2 votes

As KEI143 mentioned, false reports are ignored when it comes to any punishments (chat restrictions, bans, etc.). If players want to blame you and vent their rage by reporting, those reports will have no effect whatsoever provided the chat is indeed innocuous.

centuriation551 votes

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As KEI143 mentioned, false reports are ignored when it comes to any punishments (chat restrictions, bans, etc.). If players want to blame you and vent their rage by reporting, those reports will have no effect whatsoever provided the chat is indeed innocuous.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/faXsHil7-permanently-banned-for-no-reason As stated by tantrum, the system will find a reason for the false reports not throw them out .

Daen1 votes

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http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/faXsHil7-permanently-banned-for-no-reason As stated by tantrum, the system will find a reason for the false reports not throw them out .

That is not at all what he's saying. The reports that player received were valid, but the reason assigned to the suspension wasn't correct, thus the confusion. In other words, the punishment was processed for the right reason but issued to the player via an incorrect reason code.

centuriation551 votes

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That is not at all what he's saying. The reports that player received were valid, but the reason assigned to the suspension wasn't correct, thus the confusion. In other words, the punishment was processed for the right reason but issued to the player via an incorrect reason code.

Oh ok, so in your mind if i play a game with you and send 9 reports your way for verbal abuse and you didnt speak ONE word, you feel those arent false reports if the system can detect you did something else? Care to explain your definition of a false report because giving an account three warnings with empty chat cards (proving the system didnt wipe out "verbal abuse" reports as false) and permabanning an account without any ACTUAL warning is bullshit.

Daen1 votes

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Oh ok, so in your mind if i play a game with you and send 9 reports your way for verbal abuse and you didnt speak ONE word, you feel those arent false reports if the system can detect you did something else? Care to explain your definition of a false report because giving an account three warnings with empty chat cards (proving the system didnt wipe out "verbal abuse" reports as false) and permabanning an account without any ACTUAL warning is bullshit.

Using this example, let's say that I don't say anything warranting verbal abuse, but I'm scripting during the games in which I'm reported for being negative. Should Riot ignore my violation (cheating) simply because I wasn't reported under the right category?

centuriation551 votes

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Using this example, let's say that I don't say anything warranting verbal abuse, but I'm scripting during the games in which I'm reported for being negative. Should Riot ignore my violation (cheating) simply because I wasn't reported under the right category?

That is EXACTLY whaat i am saying. There is an option to report someone for cheating. What you propose is spam reporting someone you dont like and hoping the system picks something up they've done. Reporting someone for being "negative" when they werent "negative" is a lie and its a false report. What if i called the police and said you beat your wife and children and they know its false. Should they now be allowed to search your entire house and vehicles for things they might see as being illegal? How the fuck did you ever get to be an arbiter.

Daen1 votes

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That is EXACTLY whaat i am saying. There is an option to report someone for cheating. What you propose is spam reporting someone you dont like and hoping the system picks something up they've done. Reporting someone for being "negative" when they werent "negative" is a lie and its a false report.

Agreed. That being said, however, if Riot happens to notice that a player has been cheating while investigating something else on that account, there is no reason, legal or otherwise, for them to ignore it.

What if i called the police and said you beat your wife and children and they know its false. Should they now be allowed to search your entire house and vehicles for things they might see as being illegal?

This example isn't quite a parallel, the situation I'm referencing is more like this:


Let's say you called the police to say I beat my wife and children, then they investigate whether or not that's true. In the process of investigation, they learn that I am indeed not assaulting my family, but they find two dead bodies in my garage.

Alternatively, let's say I get pulled over for driving erratically. While getting my insurance paperwork out of my glovebox, the officer notices a brick of cocaine and a gun sitting there.

In both of these examples, the officers have probable cause for arrest, even though the initial reason for contact was different. This concept is very similar in League of Legends, with the difference being that Riot Games has complete legal precedent to do a comprehensive audit of anyone's account at any time. If they find a breach of the ToS while investigating something else, it's fair game.

centuriation551 votes

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Agreed. That being said, however, if Riot happens to notice that a player has been cheating while investigating something else on that account, there is no reason, legal or otherwise, for them to ignore it.

This example isn't quite a parallel, the situation I'm referencing is more like this:


Let's say you called the police to say I beat my wife and children, then they investigate whether or not that's true. In the process of investigation, they learn that I am indeed not assaulting my family, but they find two dead bodies in my garage.

Alternatively, let's say I get pulled over for driving erratically. While getting my insurance paperwork out of my glovebox, the officer notices a brick of cocaine and a gun sitting there.

In both of these examples, the officers have probable cause for arrest, even though the initial reason for contact was different. This concept is very similar in League of Legends, with the difference being that Riot Games has complete legal precedent to do a comprehensive audit of anyone's account at any time. If they find a breach of the ToS while investigating something else, it's fair game.

I see why you are confused and cant accurately understand what i am saying as you dont have any idea what you are talkinga bout. Every example you listed is NOTHING like what this game company is doing with its reports and your "examples" involve "investigations" and not a quick check if something is true or not. A "false report" is a false police report. Finding dead bodies and bricks of cocaine doesnt make a "wife beater" report accurate or do you honestly believe that in those circumcstances you think that a wife beater report would and should be punished, or does it get thrown out.

Surr20plz1 votes

Thanks for the reply.

It was nice talking to people and joking around even though we lost. I'm still going back to not talking though. I've seen the blank reform cards and I don't want to chance losing my account.

EVD Ghost1 votes

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Thanks for the reply.

It was nice talking to people and joking around even though we lost. I'm still going back to not talking though. I've seen the blank reform cards and I don't want to chance losing my account.

I wouldn't say not talking. The only thing I say all game are Baron, Turret, Back, Flash 8:40, and the like.

Kei1431 votes

from what I've seen, blank chat report cards are issued when people click multiple things in the hopes of trying to get someone punished faster.

So ticking "unsportsmanlike behavior / verbal abuse" for behaviors trolling / intentional feeding / AFKing, in the hopes of getting others punished faster.

Also, the toxicity can be in pre/post game chat or in-client chat, where the logs currently don't show but Riot can still see them.

eitherway, your choice of what you do with the information you have on hand.

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