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It takes far more games to get banned for inting than I expected.

Yuumi Zuumis··6 votes·3,095 views

A couple weeks ago, I encountered someone who was tanking their MMR. At first I didn't realize it was intentional, because he was just making really bad ganks as a jungler and dying almost every time, but then a teammate said to check his op.gg to see that he was intentionally feeding - and sure enough, he had a 0% win rate in ranked and had a similar super-negative score in every match.

So, I donned my deerstalker cap and grabbed my pipe and trenchcoat, and I started watching his op.gg.

They were either banned or gave up on it this past week, as they haven't played a game in 5 days. Final ranked score: 2-25.

I also found that they have a friend doing this too - they played about a dozen games together, and this second player is still playing. Current ranked score: 3-39 (they played and lost another game after I took this screenshot). I assume they're using a similar strategy of extremely poor play without blatantly obvious inting (so no running down mid or troll builds) while also talking very little in chat and overall being polite.

The other thing that really concerns me though is that the first guy went 0-10 in his placement matches and was placed in silver 1. I'm in Gold V and his 10th placement match was the one he played with me, which is when I started watching his progress. His friend was also similarly placed high, as they're currently in silver 5 at 0 LP with a 7% win rate. I don't know what the initial ranked MMR is for an account, but it feels to me like someone going 0-10 in placements and getting placed high silver doesn't really make sense. But, maybe there's some other mechanics in play there that I don't know about.

Now, I know that there's always the old "Riot bans you instantly for bad words but takes forever to ban int feeders" thing, but that argument is a false equivalency - it's far easier (and more automated) to ban for chat logs than it is to ban for play. However, this is still much longer than I expected for someone to get punished for inting in literally every single ranked game, especially since a second player has been doing it for even longer and is still playing as of a few minutes ago.

Your thoughts?

30 Comments

Creepy snek7 votes

You people who think this is just a bad player and not trolls are delusional. He played last season, how do i know this? Because no one goes 0-10 in their first placements ever and ends up in silver 1.

And some games he has pretty good CS as soraka, probably by taking his ADC's cs. Fantastic choice of items btw, love that deathcap on kha'zix for example.

Instead of blindly defending riot and their useless system look at the pictures provided and use your brains.

fatherdarius5 votes

Devil's Advocate: Maybe they just really suck?

Yuumi Zuumis1 votes

That could be possible, still not discounting the possibility. But between the two of them, with that many games and consistently super-negative scores... I honestly feel like it's intentional.

Also, I still wonder why someone who plays at that level gets placed a step below Gold after 0-10 placements.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

their mmr in normals contributes a large amount to where they are placed.

Stetinum3 votes

Still should get banned for ruining that many games.

archerno13 votes

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Still should get banned for ruining that many games.

Why? He is bad player in low elo. Why should he be banned?

Bijeesny1 votes

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Why? He is bad player in low elo. Why should he be banned?

Just take a look at their KDA-s...it can happen that you have bad KDA-s on 1 or 2 champs which they played in bad matchups, but the fact both of these guys have fucking TERRIBLE KDA-s on ALL OF THEIR CHAMPIONS while they are playing duos...sorry but thats just fishy in the best case scenario

archerno12 votes

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Just take a look at their KDA-s...it can happen that you have bad KDA-s on 1 or 2 champs which they played in bad matchups, but the fact both of these guys have fucking TERRIBLE KDA-s on ALL OF THEIR CHAMPIONS while they are playing duos...sorry but thats just fishy in the best case scenario

Or they are just bad?

Bijeesny1 votes

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Or they are just bad?

I haven't seen shit like this in bronze 5, these guys are low silver..

archerno12 votes

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I haven't seen shit like this in bronze 5, these guys are low silver..

I've seen far worse

Lux OP1 votes

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Or they are just bad?

Then they should not play ranked. There's a difference between bad-trying-to-improve and don't-care-feeding-anyway. If a player gets more than 5 reports for inting in a 24h period they should get a 24hr restriction from ranked. Riot should treat Ranked very differently than casual/normal queue. Being bad is no excuse for ruining games for people who are trying.

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lux OP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YubK0zuE,comment-id=000100010000000000000001,timestamp=2018-04-08T19:13:07.094+0000)

Then they should not play ranked. There's a difference between bad-trying-to-improve and don't-care-feeding-anyway. If a player gets more than 5 reports for inting in a 24h period they should get a 24hr restriction from ranked. Riot should treat Ranked very differently than casual/normal queue. Being bad is no excuse for ruining games for people who are trying.

Everyone should play ranked regardless of skill. Ranked isnt there for good players. Its there for everyone and there is elo for everyone. Those players are already punished by being in bronze/silver. Being bad is perfectly valid excuse.

Lux OP1 votes

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Everyone should play ranked regardless of skill. Ranked isnt there for good players. Its there for everyone and there is elo for everyone. Those players are already punished by being in bronze/silver. Being bad is perfectly valid excuse.

Bronze and Silver should be exclusively for people with bad mechanical skills and/or bad game sense but who want to play a competitive team game. People who want to play casually should be in BP, ND, or ARAM because those queues are much less competitive. If Riot wants to improve the community then it needs to weed out the people who insist on playing on the wrong queue. Draft Pick is perfectly good for players who want to play casually in the meta framework, or try new things. Ranked is for something entirely different.

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lux OP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YubK0zuE,comment-id=00010001000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-08T20:57:00.316+0000)

Bronze and Silver should be exclusively for people with bad mechanical skills and/or bad game sense but who want to play a competitive team game. People who want to play casually should be in BP, ND, or ARAM because those queues are much less competitive. If Riot wants to improve the community then it needs to weed out the people who insist on playing on the wrong queue. Draft Pick is perfectly good for players who want to play casually.

Ranked is only there to tell you how good you are. You can play it casually or competitively, it doesnt matter. Anything you can do in normal you can do in ranked.

Lux OP1 votes

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Ranked is only there to tell you how good you are. You can play it casually or competitively, it doesnt matter. Anything you can do in normal you can do in ranked.

You're making excuses for people who ruin games in the ranked queue. In the OP's example it is blatantly obvious that they are being disruptive to their teams, but even if your argument were true (and there's evidence to the contrary in this case), and they were just bad, they are still playing the game with absolute disregard for the other people on their team. That invariably leads to toxicity. There should be a way for the community who play ranked to police this behaviour because it is bad for the community.

archerno12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lux OP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YubK0zuE,comment-id=0001000100000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-08T21:13:23.188+0000)

You're making excuses for people who ruin games in the ranked queue. In the OP's example it is blatantly obvious that they are being disruptive to their teams, but even if your argument were true (and there's evidence to the contrary in this case), and they were just bad, they are still playing the game with absolute disregard for the other people on their team. That invariably leads to toxicity. There should be a way for the community who play ranked to police this behaviour because it is bad for the community.

I dont need to make any excuse for them. There is 0 evidence that its done on purpose. On the contrary their rank reflects their skill level. New lvl 30s start around silver 2/1. Those guys are below that. T And they are on their way to bronze where they belong. There is no need to ban bad players.

Lux OP1 votes

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I dont need to make any excuse for them. There is 0 evidence that its done on purpose. On the contrary their rank reflects their skill level. New lvl 30s start around silver 2/1. Those guys are below that. T And they are on their way to bronze where they belong. There is no need to ban bad players.

Banning them from all game modes would be extreme. Banning them from Ranked queue would be perfectly reasonable. Ranked queue is competitive, the vast majority of players consider it to be so. People going 2-25 in ranked should not be allowed to play ranked because it makes the game practically unplayable for 4 other people and creates a toxic atmosphere. Why should they be allowed to ruin so many games for so many people? Why not draft or blind pick?

archerno12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lux OP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YubK0zuE,comment-id=000100010000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-08T21:46:54.467+0000)

Banning them from all game modes would be extreme. Banning them from Ranked queue would be perfectly reasonable. Ranked queue is competitive, the vast majority of players consider it to be so.

There is no reason to ban them. There is Bronze and Silver for them.

Lux OP1 votes

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There is no reason to ban them. There is Bronze and Silver for them.

Except their descent through Silver is going to screw up dozens of players' games and generate toxicity. How is this in any way acceptable?

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lux OP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YubK0zuE,comment-id=00010001000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-08T21:52:51.463+0000)

Except their descent through Silver is going to screw up dozens of players' games and generate toxicity. How is this in any way acceptable?

Silver is starting elo. For new players. There is nothing to screw there.

Lux OP1 votes

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Silver is starting elo. For new players. There is nothing to screw there.

Maybe on your server new people start S1, but on NA it's not that way,especially not for 0/10 placements.

archerno11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lux OP,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YubK0zuE,comment-id=00010001000000000000000100000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2018-04-08T22:56:25.963+0000)

Maybe on your server new people start S1, but on NA it's not that way,especially not for 0/10 placements.

Everyone , regardless of server starts at 1500 mmr. Thats around silver 2 or 1. And , it depends on your mmr from last season, depends if u duo with someone, as long as you dont lose too much mmr u can stay high silver after placements.

TempName748144 votes

i've gotten fresh accounts banned with literally one int game tho. that's actually just a fucking terrible player

i404notfound2 votes

I wonder how many got perma-banned for "verbal abuse" due to the int feeder.

dont trust girls2 votes

Pointing out for everyone here, going 2 - 25 in ranked hardly ever happens in occasions that it is not on purpose. Some players might have actual physical disabilities that inhibit their abilities to succeed in ranked but that's an even lower percent that are duoing and both have horrible wins - losses. Theoretically, even a person who's falling would get a few games won here and there out of just sheer chance, it's very hard to lose every game just as it is very hard to win every game. A person who's falling would have anywhere between a 30 - 45% winrate usually if it were not on purpose.

(A good example of him winning a game despite his best efforts to lose is him going 0/17 on kha'zix with deathcap and revolver. People who are bad or are new usually are building recommended)

archerno12 votes

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Pointing out for everyone here, going 2 - 25 in ranked hardly ever happens in occasions that it is not on purpose. Some players might have actual physical disabilities that inhibit their abilities to succeed in ranked but that's an even lower percent that are duoing and both have horrible wins - losses. Theoretically, even a person who's falling would get a few games won here and there out of just sheer chance, it's very hard to lose every game just as it is very hard to win every game. A person who's falling would have anywhere between a 30 - 45% winrate usually if it were not on purpose.

(A good example of him winning a game despite his best efforts to lose is him going 0/17 on kha'zix with deathcap and revolver. People who are bad or are new usually are building recommended)

You can easily find tons of people with under 30% winrate

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=dragonelleking

You can find more on op.gg leaderbords

My friend started ranked as soon as he got lvl 30. He lost every single ranked game he played feeding his ass off.

Shukr4n1 votes

I am quite the first fan of "riot is doing nothing for trolls" Inequality in the punishment system is what mostly triggers me. A10yo kid can punish anyone who is toxiic in chat. It doesnt needr a genius.

But when it s about trolls, the big million$ company riot games sucks. Cannot even do a bad programmed algorithm.

I would do it for free to review some match and look if someone is trolling or just having a bad day.

Remember. Riot is protecting trolls thanks,to two rules:

  • ucan play whatever champ in whatever lane
  • everyone can have a bad day

These are the negationist troll rules Glhf

Stetinum1 votes

"Riot bans you instantly for bad words but takes forever to ban int feeders"

Wrong. The inting report is just a placebo to make tilters feel better. Riot simply gave up on trolling.

Ph03n1xdust1 votes

Just a bad game man! (or more)

Rito logic OFF

Almost Creative1 votes

I'm amazed at the 0-17 win that he got carried in.

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