Ya'll should give riot a break

AgeOfTheMage·Feb 28, 2017·8 votes·745 views

You guys are so needy, and yes, there are issues with the game, that's true, however it doesn't mean you need to whine about something new every day. Now, I don't know anything about coding or making a game, so just think about what they have to do to fix things, riot has to look things over. For now i'm just glad league exists, it's still a fun game despite the problems.

I wasn't specifying any subject, but the amount of complaining i see(though sometimes helpful) that fills the boards is kind of annoying.

22 Comments

HyperiönFeb 28, 20175 votes

The day Riot deserves a break, is when they actually try to balance the game, and not ban people for going off meta.

midnight oil24Feb 28, 20171 votes

Well that ban was because of a lack of communication. If they banned people for going off-meta, they wouldnt' have let support MF slide at worlds.

They actually do work on game balance, but there's a lot to balance. It doesn't help that entitled people keep yelling at riot to nerf one champ and buff another and then reverse positions after Riot does that.

Miror BFeb 28, 20171 votes

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Well that ban was because of a lack of communication. If they banned people for going off-meta, they wouldnt' have let support MF slide at worlds.

They actually do work on game balance, but there's a lot to balance. It doesn't help that entitled people keep yelling at riot to nerf one champ and buff another and then reverse positions after Riot does that.

The problem of course being that oftentimes (especially in bronze) your teammates will literally say "f'ck you, I'm gonna feed" and leave you high and dry. Over time, it starts to make people question whether they should even attempt to communicate with them if they're (mostly) going to keep giving off that attitude.

As for this whole nunu thing people are talking about, I really think rito needs to get their heads on straight before they piss off too many people. They suggest that teams need to communicate with eachother, yet refuse to introduce any sort of voice communication which (if cs:go has taught us anything) could help make games cleaner. They suggest that off-meta things are fine, yet wait 2 full days to respond to both the nunu/singed cases (both of which I'm actually heavily in favor of rito on, as the singed guy was actively trolling and this nunu case seems more like a case of "going too far off meta to the point of sabotage" ) allowing mobs to form. Hell, they suggest that toxicity is a small problem of the game yet bronze exists in its entirety. Instead of focusing their attention on the LCS and their problems, it'd be nice to see them spend more time on fixing the ones that have existed for years.

HyperiönFeb 28, 20172 votes

Did you read the ban thread? He wrote so much pregame on what was happening, how to play it, what to do, everything that was needed. It was just salty ADC's not actually knowing how to lane in a 1v2 situation.

Most of the champions are fine. The items are what need to be changed. Everything gets broken once they change stats on items.

Magical PlayerFeb 28, 20173 votes

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Did you read the ban thread? He wrote so much pregame on what was happening, how to play it, what to do, everything that was needed. It was just salty ADC's not actually knowing how to lane in a 1v2 situation.

Most of the champions are fine. The items are what need to be changed. Everything gets broken once they change stats on items.

Bulls he copy pasted a single block text and then ignores pregame lobby 1:32:00 watch https://www.twitch.tv/videos/121204367 he drops a block text in and ignores the chat 0 effort on his part to explain to his team

LGBTCuteMar 1, 20171 votes

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

SwainLaneWinGameFeb 28, 20175 votes

Don't forget according to riots support portal page, you cannot be punished for tactical disagreements or going off meta or not using chat.

The problem here is Riot is trying too hard to be non comittal and appease everyone, and all they're accomplishing is punishing those that are innovating or playing the game that makes it most fun (and successful) for them. By saying the "community" (which in the nunu case is only less than 50% of all his games, could be as low as just 1 player out of 4 of those >50% games reporting) has final control over what is and isn't allowed, you're essentially condemning anything outside of the current meta; unless of course some Korean or lcs team or high elo player decides to do it. Then it's "OK". But not this guy in high diamond with over 53% win rate. Not him.

It's just a bullying hive mind mentality tactic that lets riot seem like they're open minded, and absolves them of any responsibility for when players adhere to riot's own rules but then somehow get punished because "community (bully) rules", which is actually bullshit because it's actually a small percentage of players that reported him, not 9x reports every single fucking game. OF COURSE some people are more comfortable in their matches playing only the known meta overall, because its fucking comfortable and humans in general hate change or the unknown. The community in fact supports off meta, as evidenced by the overwhelming support for this nunu player here on the forums. You guys with the conformity to meta issues are the vocal minority. Not to mention you're falsely reporting and punishing someone for adhering to riot's own rulings about off meta, tactical disagreements not being punishable.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 28, 20173 votes

Why the copypasta?

SwainLaneWinGameFeb 28, 20176 votes

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Why the copypasta?

Because some people still can't get it through their thick fucking skulls.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 28, 20173 votes

Mhmm.

Except your point kinda gets blown out the water when you take into account that since this Nunu did not touch bot lane, like barely ever, then you can't call him support Nunu.

He's Jungler #2.

Now it's not an off meta issue. It's an "I'm queuing up for suppory but playing Jungle " issue.

SwainLaneWinGameFeb 28, 20173 votes

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Mhmm.

Except your point kinda gets blown out the water when you take into account that since this Nunu did not touch bot lane, like barely ever, then you can't call him support Nunu.

He's Jungler #2.

Now it's not an off meta issue. It's an "I'm queuing up for suppory but playing Jungle " issue.

Support role is not explicitly tied to bot lane. He was th4 support for the whole team not just 1 player out of 4

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 28, 20172 votes

It's also not explicitly tied to the enemy jungle.

That argument works both ways pal.

Besides, he isn't supporting anybody. He's just supressing the enemy jungler.

SwainLaneWinGameFeb 28, 20173 votes

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It's also not explicitly tied to the enemy jungle.

That argument works both ways pal.

Besides, he isn't supporting anybody. He's just supressing the enemy jungler.

Uhhh exactly, meaning the support can go wherever the fuck he wants for as long as he wants as long as he wants to get the job done. There have been plenty of times I played support and my bot laner was full on derp moding to the point where had I stayed there, not only they but I also would have become useless and a liability to the team making the game essentially 5v3. So I took my support role to whomever else was doing a better job at carrying and got them ahead instead.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 28, 20173 votes

Okay, explain how you camping the enemy jungler all game counts as supporting.

You aren't supporting the whole team that way, that is an excuse to make what he's doing seem better.

If anything you're supporting your Jungler instead of your adc.

SwainLaneWinGameFeb 28, 20173 votes

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Okay, explain how you camping the enemy jungler all game counts as supporting.

You aren't supporting the whole team that way, that is an excuse to make what he's doing seem better.

If anything you're supporting your Jungler instead of your adc.

You're supporting the whole team by putting pressure on all lanes at once, because it sets the enemy jungler behind, keeps them from being able to gank effectively, and frees up your own jungler to show up and gank more effectively without worrying too much about the enemy jungler. Imagine you have 2 enemies you don't know where they are. Suddenly your top lane gets 3 manned whole your jungler is still trying to farm up in levels because they're behind from nunu counter jungling. It's savage man.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 28, 20173 votes

So you acknowledge that this stratagem is in fact duo jungling and not in fact supporting?

Becuase at this point this is what I am trying to illustrate.

If you are going to duo jungle announce your intention to do so.

Don't queue up for support AND say you're supporting when you really aren't.

Plus find a buddy to duo ADC, who won't mind getting a 2v1 botlane. Things will go a lot smoother.

LimmieMar 1, 20172 votes

A support isn't the ADC's nanny, it's just the person in the team that takes no income for themselves. Unless he's taking from his team's jungle or taking CS from laners, he's supporting.

If the enemy jungler goes to duo toplane instead, your team's jungler can't be banned for deciding to keep jungling instead of duoing with the toplane too, 1v2 be damned. It's the same thing.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 1, 20172 votes

Your second paragraph makes no sense tbh. Why are you bringing the enemy's decisions into account when deciding whether to ban somebody on your team?

Also people need to stop using words like "nanny" to describe support. This mentality that supports are slaves to the ADC is partly why it's so unpopular.

LimmieMar 1, 20172 votes

Your second paragraph makes no sense tbh. Why are you bringing the enemy's decisions into account when deciding whether to ban somebody on your team?

Because by sticking to jungling when the enemy jungler is laning with their toplane, you are effectively leaving your own toplane to 1v2. You shouldn't expect to be reprehended for leaving someone to 1v2 if what you're doing instead is also contributing to victory.

Also people need to stop using words like "nanny" to describe support. This mentality that supports are slaves to the ADC is partly why it's so unpopular.

That is exactly why I think it's wrong to punish this Nunu. The support isn't a slave to the ADC, they can decide their own strategies and if that strategy entails counterjungling, it's on the ADC to play passive and make use of all the solo XP they're getting.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 28, 20171 votes

Eh, we get used to the boards complaining. But hey, it does accomplish some good things.

The boards are the reason the new client is getting item sets after all.

LimmieMar 1, 20171 votes

"You guys don't need to whine", he says whilst whining about whiners.

LGBTCuteMar 1, 20171 votes

I usually agree with OP, but then this Nunu ban bullshit happened and nah, fuck Riot.

Ban is for calling someone the N-word or "running it down mid". Ban is NOT because you're not playing "the meta".