@Riot - We should have 0 tolerance against players encouring others to commit suicide

AwesomeChad·May 13, 2016·416 votes·17,425 views

I've received several "KYS" messages in ranked from time to time and it really pisses me off that they can say that without repercussions. I have the thick skin to deal with it but imagine someone else having a really bad day and this one message just pushes them over the edge. Giving a player flak for performing poorly is one thing but telling them to end their life is dangerous. I think players should automatically receive warnings for saying stuff like this and if they keep committing the same act, ban them.

384 Comments

Deep Terror NamiMay 13, 201643 votes

They do issue bans pretty quickly for that kind of behavior. If you think your report isn't enough, feel free to screenshot the behavior (they like screenshots) and submit it and the match history link in a Support Ticket.

FrankerXMay 14, 201612 votes

nami i seriously gotta ask. did you ever get someone banned via the support? as you might remember a few month ago i posted about this "issues" i was in a german chatroom from a youtuber and we had a guy who came in 3 months daily and spammed "hitler did nothing wrong, gas all the jews" he had a spambot and spammed this really 24/7 i made at least 30 screenshots of this guy and created at least 10 tickets in over 3 month AND THIS GUY IS STILL SPAMMING!!! this was at the beginning of season 5 and im not in that chatroom anymore but this guy still spams ON THE SAME ACCOUNT!

so seriously i gotta ask... why report someone via the support?

Deep Terror NamiMay 14, 201611 votes

nami i seriously gotta ask. did you ever get someone banned via the support?

They are not allowed to tell you what actions they take against other players. Public player bans like Tyler1 are an extreme outlier, so let's not bring those up as a counter-argument. If I have gotten a player banned through back channels, I wouldn't discuss it even though I'm not legally required to.

i was in a german chatroom from a youtuber and we had a guy who came in 3 months daily and spammed...i made at least 30 screenshots of this guy and created at least 10 tickets in over 3 month AND THIS GUY IS STILL SPAMMING!!!

You're saying his spamming is in a youtube chatroom, right?

ModKnightsKemplarMay 14, 201624 votes

I think they already do. Someone still needs to report the person who said it to get them punished, but there's not much tolerance on that one.

My Sea CowMay 13, 201620 votes

I think a chat ban at least should be used if someone tells another player to kill themselves. A warning just won't do

INoble KnightIMay 14, 201620 votes

My GF has been dealing with depression and thoughts of suicide and numerous times after a match she would break down crying because of some of the shit people would say to her in game. I've seen people insult her, her play style, call her a waste of space, telling her to kill herself, etc etc. When she brings up the fact that she has tried to kill herself before the players would respond with something like "try again and do it rigth this time". Everytime I saw this happen I would report it and give a very detailed account of what happened and yet nothing is ever done.

fluxannaJan 1, 20173 votes

Yep that sounds about right, nothing happens.

^_^ 5/5 riot customer service would kms again

ZoeeeeMay 14, 201614 votes

Telling some one to kill themselves can be very serous on the internet. People hide behind silver screens, and would never say that in real life if they had any slice of humanity. Cyber bullying isn't a joke, and it shouldn't be taken as such. I haven't read the actual laws in Canada about it, but death threats or verbal abuse containing suicide, should be perma banned without notice. In fact just Omniban the person, then file a lawsuit.

This thread needs to be noticed.

Average BardMay 14, 201613 votes

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/uee4huswjelowhi8auv3.gif

ZoeeeeMay 14, 20168 votes

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https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/uee4huswjelowhi8auv3.gif

That's not even remotely funny. As a person who has experienced suicide in multiple forms during my life I can say how hard it can be to get through it. It's all fun, and games until some one goes, does it because of one snarky comment. Also, grow up.

Average BardMay 14, 20168 votes

Sometimes topics need a little comedic relief. I've dealt with it too, considered it, even as recently as a few months ago. So, why not make this a little more enjoyable for everyone involved, huh? https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQq4ue5Du2xXPEQ5Ol5My86kK6zFSNeDW6ZCihpHToxuYTtVRRb3Q together we're like the yin and yang, you talk about the darkness, but I show them the light in the darkness.

Average BardMay 14, 20166 votes

http://tpwd.texas.gov/state-parks/palo-duro-canyon/gallery/p-Lighthouse.jpg When all things seem dark just remember, it's always darkest just before the light.

ZoeeeeMay 14, 20166 votes

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http://tpwd.texas.gov/state-parks/palo-duro-canyon/gallery/p-Lighthouse.jpg When all things seem dark just remember, it's always darkest just before the light.

I mean, it's a real issue, and this thread isn't in memes and games. I'm not usually one to laugh at others misfortunes.

Average BardMay 14, 20166 votes

There's a thin line between laughing as friends and laughing to hurt others. I'm just trying to bring everyone together through humor and smiles. Sometimes all you need is a good smile to make your day seem worth it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC6sMFbL288 Do it for Mick.

ZoeeeeMay 14, 20165 votes

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There's a thin line between laughing as friends and laughing to hurt others. I'm just trying to bring everyone together through humor and smiles. Sometimes all you need is a good smile to make your day seem worth it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC6sMFbL288 Do it for Mick.

Your first comment felt very out of context, and snarky.

Average BardMay 14, 20162 votes

Sorry if I came across that way, but my intentions were not meant to be foul.

Crowe StalkerMay 14, 20165 votes

There are things you can never joke about, this is one of them.

Average BardMay 14, 20165 votes

I beg to differ, sometimes a laugh or a smile is what someone needs.

Luso ClemensMay 15, 20162 votes

That is true, but your gif in the serious context that is quite personal to some made it seem as if you were mocking the post you commented on, even if that wasn't your intention.

ShifuneMay 14, 201613 votes

When someone tells me to go kill myself, I just run straight down mid and kill myself on the towers until the game is over. (Don't ban me Rito)

ArthimetesMay 14, 201612 votes

I think some phrases should be instant punishment for saying it once, even saying it a single time in a game should at least deserve a chat restriction, things like - kys, I hope you die of cancer, any autism insult, and hard racial slurs.

Things like that have no reason whatsoever being said in this game, and I can't tell you how many times I've reported people saying those things and them getting off scott free, usually friend requesting me and going on for days about how riot cant touch them ( I keep them friended to see if anything actually happens and usually delete after a few days)

III BAKURYU III May 14, 20163 votes

What if the Toxic player is also having a bad day victim becomes the Toxic and the cycle goes on and on. Just MUTE THEM END OF STORY people what happened to the " Sticks and stones" just ignore them and move on. If you play League for the game Mute, if you play the game to chat and have fun and talk and bs with people don't.

AwesomeChadMay 14, 20169 votes

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What if the Toxic player is also having a bad day victim becomes the Toxic and the cycle goes on and on. Just MUTE THEM END OF STORY people what happened to the " Sticks and stones" just ignore them and move on. If you play League for the game Mute, if you play the game to chat and have fun and talk and bs with people don't.

You also have to realize we can't condone this type of behavior. If our goal is make the community less toxic, we NEED to draw a line on what is too toxic to be left alone. Sure people have bad days but if they can't learn to control themselves from wishing any serious physical harm on other people, they really don't deserve to talk in chat.

XxVeSsU420xXMay 14, 201610 votes

I'd usually skip posts like these, but I recently witnessed the effects this stuff could have on people. Just two days ago a MineCraft server owner and at one point my best friend was found dead. Jumped from the 6th floor. Why? Alot of stress, mental issues and cyber-bullying. You never know who's on the other side of that cool and wacky gamertag so think twice before that "kys".

AstôlfoMay 14, 20168 votes

It should be automatic permanent ban, no questions. Thankfully, the current system more or less already does it fairly quickly.

macromiteMay 14, 20163 votes

and i think that people should be shot in the streets if they are found talking in an aggressive fashion. oh wait, there's a reason that they don't do this.

can't do zero tolerance on most anything. things happen by accident, and people have bad days.

Steven McburnMay 14, 20169 votes

"I accidentally told another human being to end their life because of a video game."

Seems legit.

If you're having such a horrible day, insulting them doesn't do it? Literally telling them to stop existing does? Yeah, sounds great. Totally the same thing. Zero tolerance towards it would be terrible.

I'm not even going to say there's heavy sarcasm here because I feel like it's pretty thick and obvious.

FillyPhlyerzMay 14, 20168 votes

Everyone has bad days, doesn't excuse aggression to random people online. You think if the police stopped you for doing something aggressive or threatening that "I'm having a bad day" would be a good excuse?

macromiteMay 14, 20161 votes

difference between talking aggressive and being aggressive. if you walk into a bar and then yell at the waitress, sure you can get kicked out, but they aren't going to jail you for it are they. and odds are if you apologize next time you see them you are in the clear, people have bad days, you can't tell me you haven't ever had a day where you honest to god wanted to strangle someone. I mean, if you can then you are in no shape to argue this anyway, you don't understand both sides.

FillyPhlyerzMay 15, 20162 votes

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difference between talking aggressive and being aggressive. if you walk into a bar and then yell at the waitress, sure you can get kicked out, but they aren't going to jail you for it are they. and odds are if you apologize next time you see them you are in the clear, people have bad days, you can't tell me you haven't ever had a day where you honest to god wanted to strangle someone. I mean, if you can then you are in no shape to argue this anyway, you don't understand both sides.

I've had plenty of days where I want to do a lot, but I don't because I have restraint.

macromiteMay 15, 20163 votes

you just haven't hit your breaking point. atleast not in a time that you can recall. It happens to the best of us, you are no exception.

the thing is, if people got auto banned for it, then that would be a far larger problem than people using the phrase.

FillyPhlyerzMay 15, 20163 votes

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you just haven't hit your breaking point. atleast not in a time that you can recall. It happens to the best of us, you are no exception.

the thing is, if people got auto banned for it, then that would be a far larger problem than people using the phrase.

And when that day comes, I deserve punishment. I get that it's tough and it may not seem fair but you can't condone behavior like that. It sets a bad precedent and encourages more of it.

macromiteMay 15, 20161 votes

not quite, condoning it is one thing, which should not be done, but giving adequate punishment is the answer. Automatic and instant permanent bans are not the option. the option for such a slip up would be more along the lines of maybe an hour of no queue finding, or longer, but not exceeding 48 hours. enough time to let outward anger disappear, and for disposition to reset unto an average state.

also, I've decided to try and conduct a servey of sorts, so I can better understand this issue, you mind to take this quiz?

https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

And give me the results, I want to see if there is a correlation.

FillyPhlyerzMay 16, 20162 votes

Sorry if I was unclear. I'm not calling for immediate permabans, I just think such situations should be taken seriously. It just sounds like you are kind of arguing in favor of people having a right to rage as long as it they're having a bad day which I fundamentally disagree with.

And I got Mediator (INFP-A)... 91% introverted, yikes.

macromiteMay 16, 20162 votes

thank you for taking the test first off.

and second off, That's what I've been trying to argue this whole time. It doesn't seem that way, but that's because as soon as I started to argue for the perpetrators all of you rallied against me.

also if you wanted to know for some reason I got (INTP-T) as my personality.

FillyPhlyerzMay 16, 20161 votes

Was the correlation you were looking for there? If so, what was it? If you don't mind me asking.

macromiteMay 16, 20162 votes

as I searched for correlation I think i found one, yet it is unsatisfactory. it seems as though everyone here myself included start with I and N. with only the last two letters changing. my evidence is also slightly skewed, and I have not received responses from all those polled.

its also worth noting that T and P seem to be more prevalent than F and J.

yet none of this exactly describes why all those here seem to easily disagree with me. It's very perplexing, though it does help incredibly into deciphering why people typed what they did. perhaps this test could be used as a method of understanding.

Sorry for the strange answer.

also on the note of what correlation i was looking for, honestly i thought people would mostly be of non-analyst types, yet it seems to be the opposite. with the exception of yourself everyone that has answered is a style of analyst.

FillyPhlyerzMay 16, 20162 votes

Thanks for the answer. That's actually pretty interesting that people here seem to fall under similar categories.

Also, boo yeah on being a unique snowflake [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

GaleWinUnleashedMay 14, 20165 votes

This is more like a barroom environment. If you get in a fight with someone, they kick you out until you can calm down. They don't shoot you in the head and dump your body in the alleyway (hopefully).

macromiteMay 14, 20162 votes

bad example, they would kick the other person out as well. though your example does bring to mind a temp ban, which could be implemented. like a kick that keeps them out for a few hours, and tells them to calm themselves.

GaleWinUnleashedMay 14, 20163 votes

Surprisingly, fights where both sides get punished seem to be reasonably common, based on what I see on the Boards. A punished player complains about their punishment when they're just reacting to someone else's behavior, and it escalates, so they end up punished. Likely the instigator gets hit with a chat restriction as well (depending on prior infractions).

Basically, there's lots of he-started-it arguments. Perhaps it needs to be better explained somewhere that fighting back makes you just as guilty.

AstôlfoMay 14, 20162 votes

Uh, no. Try making an analogy that isn't a complete failure before you try to criticize what I said next time. You don't "accidentally" tell people to kill themselves, and it doesn't matter a damn whether you have a bad day. You tell someone to kill themselves, and you deserve an automatic permaban.

macromiteMay 14, 20162 votes

hmm. only if everyone that suggests it do as well. people clamoring for perma bans deserve them exactly as much as those that they point at.

AstôlfoMay 14, 20162 votes

uh, what? what kind of logic is that?

macromiteMay 14, 20162 votes

you are sentencing men to death in league, without any trial or any other actions. even if you are in a group that is still not a good thing to do. its called lynching, and its just as bad.

AstôlfoMay 15, 20162 votes

Uh, they got fair trial and judgment. The system did that.

macromiteMay 15, 20162 votes

automatic perma ban is neither a fair trial nor a fair judgement.

you see, both of those words are important here, and the latter is gotten to by the former.

If you disagree than that clearly means one of two things, either A, you don't understand half as much as you need to to have the proper disposition on the matter, or B you are incapable of understanding.

either way I'm done with you, at least until you begin to understand the ramifications of such an act.