PSA: Support Smite X isn't a bannable offense. Intentionally trolling is, regardless of their pick.

Joxcab··8 votes·1,138 views

That is why the Singed player got banned. (And presumably the Nunu, although I haven't read on the situation for the case with Nunu.) It's not for playing Support Smite Singed. It's for intentionally trolling and ignoring his team and doing dumb shit.

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MinaZer06 votes

No, being harassed for picking off meta is what needs to be banned, not picking offmeta in itself, think from a perspective of someone that wants to play a certain champion but is called troll every game..

It gets annoying after a while to where you just accept that it is troll and in all chat you agree that its troll, doesnt make the person a troll, (they simply want to be known for a certain champion) it makes Riot's system flawed that won't allow for more flexibility of champions, people know where champions are supposed to go but without flexibility already implemented somewhat MissFortune support wouldn't be played in the highest levels of play and neither would Ziggs bot, Riot is simply picking and choosing who to punish, that is all.

Joxcab2 votes

There's a difference between off-meta or unusual picks and trolling.

Silver Singed4 votes

You haven't really explained how anything they did was trolling. Both had very high win rates with their strategy. Doing something your team doesn't like isn't the same thing as trolling. If it were, picking mordekaiser would also be reportable and banable.

AmazoX2 votes

Thank you Silver Singed, Joxcar is just riding that Rito D biasedly

SwainLaneWinGame3 votes

I too would like to hear this kids explanation of its trolling if you're serious and attempting to win (and bonus if you do).

Silver Singed6 votes

The singed main climbed from silver to plat, and was still climbing before they banned him. And you think he was trolling? What he was doing g was highly effective for him.

The nunu was D1 streamer and also on his way up.

If you watch their gameplay (and with the nunu there's tons available to look at) they communicate with their team more than anyone I've ever played with. They both play the entire map. They gank lanes and cripple the enemy jungler. That's isn't trolling. That's strategy.

The rioter that confirmed the bans, in both cases, said she banned for the high volume of reports, citing that riot likes to let the community self police.

So apparently getting g reported is a banable offense.

TyrekGoldenspear6 votes

If you remembered from back then, you'd know that he climbed from his jungle Singed games but had a 30% winrate on Singed support.

ModUlanopo4 votes

People so often forget this.

Lord Desert4 votes

The people need to understand that you need the agreement of those whos gameplay you sacrifice when you play extremely offmeta... Then everything is fine.

Joxcab3 votes

No, you actually don't. As long as you try to win, that's all that's needed.

Lord Desert2 votes

..... No it is not. If "intend to win" is the only condition then I can farm and steal any cs/camp from anybody right? I can pick Wukong support and steal any cs across the map to get me snowballing to win the game. Everything should be fine then! But it is not! "Intend to win" can never be the only condition. It is somewhat a nessesary condition but not a must. I can play chogath supp, i mean like a real supp and everything is fine... But i would play with the intend to have fun and not just win.

Joxcab2 votes

Okay, I was expecting you'd use common sense.

As long as you try to win without intentionally trolling others, that is fine. Picking Nunu or Singed Smite support doesn't harm anyone else. Stealing CS/camps/etcetera does.

People do not have a valid complaint against Nunu or Singed Smite support if they are playing properly. They do have a valid complaint against people stealing CS and/or camps, and if you continue to do it anyways, it is trolling.

Lord Desert2 votes

Dude we are both on the same page! You can play whatever you want championwise, nunu support, chogath support, mf support, zed support whatever. As long as you play a support style, when you get support! The support style is not 100% set in stone, but basics like warding, not taking cs and helping your adc early and later your team. Those are set.

The singed support guy and this nunu support guy both seriously try to win! But they both sacrifices other players (mainly their adc and jungler) gameplay! And that is not ok! You dont have the right to make other peps fun and gamplay shit because you want to do your stuff. But if you get the agreement from them then everything is fine! Do you get now why I said that?

Joxcab2 votes

The Singed literally had a history of intentionally feeding and intentionally throwing and trolling games. I have no idea about the Nunu, but Singed's case and ban was entirely valid.

Yes, they tried in some of their games. Yes, they also intentionally and undeniably intentionally fed and threw dozens of others.

Lord Desert2 votes

The Nunu guy seem to have a couple of "feed" type games. And I do think both of the temporary bans are justifed.

But intentionally throwing/feeding can sometimes be judged decently but there is a huge gray zone too! Thus intentionally feeding is not as clear as sacrificing other peoples gameplay. A 1v2 Lane, which is normally a 2v2 Lane is a clear example, no doubts about that.

Silver Singed3 votes

Riot even said in the singed case that he was obviously playing every game to win. You really haven't researched either situation.

AmazoX1 votes

^^^^^^^

KVbqbFsC8e4 votes

Riot needs to redefine their definition of trolling then.

AmazoX2 votes

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That is why the Singed player got banned. (And presumably the Nunu, although I haven't read on the situation for the case with Nunu.)

Wait WTF? You haven't read about the situation yet you are talking? The nunu player was challenger, He took a break for two years & peaked Diamond 1.

He played against Phreak who is a Riot Employee, He took smite and counter jungled the enemy efficiently & has also helped his marksmen very well while opening more opportunities for his jungler, He owned Phreak in that match with Nunu with Smite. It was a good strategy and it led his team to victory, So Smite on Support isn't allowed but Ziggs ADC is allowed?

Joxcab1 votes

I'm sure that's not the whole story because he wouldn't have gotten permabanned for just that.

And I'm going off the Support Smite Singed story. I don't have any other reason to believe this situation is that much different.

Silver Singed4 votes

Why don't you actually just watch the hours of gameplay available in his stream instead of making uneducated assumptions?

AmazoX2 votes

{quoted}

I'm sure that's not the whole story because he wouldn't have gotten permabanned for just that.

How about you watch the damn gameplay available on his stream.

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