Did Riot Make A Mistake (Again)?

AninLegions777·Jan 13, 2016·9 votes·1,702 views

I think we've all noticed the increasing number of "I got banned for hacking but I didn't hack" threads. Normally, I wouldn't pay attention but some time last year, Riot banned a couple of people unjustly which let to the unbanning at the time. Now I'm guessing Riot is making another error and are banning people unjustly but first of all, the player support should be on alert to bans caused by hacks because most people don't even know what a hack is. The only time I ever saw a hack was that unlimited Azir turrets in Plat 2 but other than that, nothing. So a Rioter should come online and give this people some peace of mind because if my account got permabanned, I'll just flip my shit.

46 Comments

TractJan 13, 20163 votes

Riot bans 3rd party program users in waves. Thats why you see a outbreak of people complaining about it, they just did a ban wave.

AninLegions777Jan 13, 20161 votes

Yeah I know that but they should be quick to clean up the mess (if there's any).

TractJan 13, 20161 votes

Also take what people claim with a grain of salt, just because they are saying they didnt use any doesnt mean its true(Although Id give them the benefit of the doubt 99% of the time).

AninLegions777Jan 13, 20161 votes

Trust me, I don't just believe them. I also don't doubt them until I have cause to do so. It's just that I saw these threads popping up and was wondering how these many couldn't be a coincidence.

PIMPSMOOTHJan 13, 20162 votes

Rammus Ok.

AninLegions777Jan 13, 20162 votes

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

DrCyanideJan 13, 20162 votes

There's definitely something up, but it's hard to say what without more info, either from Riot (which isn't going to happen) or from the players who got banned (which likely also won't happen).

I saw someone theorize that it might be some sort of virus (likely from some "free RP" site) that's causing issues. Then again, maybe not. We're really just taking the word of random players on the internet that they weren't hacking. They could be lying, trying to get a Riot response to know how to avoid being detected in the future.

All we can safely assume is that there was indeed a ban wave. Everything beyond that is speculation.

AninLegions777Jan 13, 20162 votes

If they are lying, then Riot Lyte is going to smite them. But I'm giving them the benefit of a doubt so I'll just wait for a Red's response.

DrCyanideJan 14, 20161 votes

The smites came in. The two I saw were players who hired someone to boost them, and their booster used scripts. They even specified how many games they were boosted, sited the reports from players in their games, etc.

AninLegions777Jan 14, 20161 votes

Can you give me the links? Cos I need a laugh ^^

DrCyanideJan 14, 20161 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EIJtAiiF-still-banned-and-i-am-getting-0-help-riot-seems-to-never-care-about-the-players

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/gA9ePu5O-i-was-banned-for-scripting-hacking-what-the-heck-i-wish-you-all-the-best-and-farewell

Samus72Jan 14, 20162 votes

All of this runs smack in to the privacy concerns.

In two of the high profile cases here, Riot has responded and said that while the account owner may not have been the one to "commit the deed," so to speak, someone else who had access to the account DID. The account owner is required to maintain the security of their account.

Both times Riot pointed this out. Now, I'm very skeptical of people who say they don't hack and don't know how. They may not. But someone who used their account did.

AninLegions777Jan 14, 20161 votes

Tbh, I usually don't believe these guys but apparently, Riot just did a ban wave and iirc, whenever they do that, innocent people tend to get punished unintentionally. But even if they cheated, Riot employees should have said something by now.

Samus72Jan 14, 20162 votes

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Tbh, I usually don't believe these guys but apparently, Riot just did a ban wave and iirc, whenever they do that, innocent people tend to get punished unintentionally. But even if they cheated, Riot employees should have said something by now.

I've yet to see any proof of innocence. At least, not from anyone who's posted in the last few days saying they are innocent.

AninLegions777Jan 14, 20161 votes

The thing is, those banned for scripts can't prove their innocence because Riot keeps all the info from them. It's only Riot that can prove they are innocent. When toxic people are banned, you can always look at their chat logs to decide if they are guilty or not.

Samus72Jan 14, 20162 votes

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The thing is, those banned for scripts can't prove their innocence because Riot keeps all the info from them. It's only Riot that can prove they are innocent. When toxic people are banned, you can always look at their chat logs to decide if they are guilty or not.

I understand this. The gaming companies don't release this info because if they did, they'd allow hackers and programmers to have access to how the companies find the hacks and, as a result, the hackers could design better hacks.

There are ways to make the companies divulge their information. But it's not likely something your average gamer will utilize.

Riot isn't going to ban someone just because they can. If a company gets that kind of reputation, people will leave in droves and that will kill your game quickly.

StellafreyjaJan 14, 20162 votes

I've noticed an influx too, but the funniest thing is that in like 3 threads, a Rioter came in and was like "you let someone else use your account and they used scripts." Like summoner 11 .

AninLegions777Jan 14, 20161 votes

Really? Can you link those threads pls? ^^

JamareeJan 13, 20161 votes

Could be a mistake, could be they are lying, who knows.

AninLegions777Jan 13, 20161 votes

These amount of people lying? Would be surprised. I just hope a Red comes to answer them.

JamareeJan 13, 20161 votes

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These amount of people lying? Would be surprised. I just hope a Red comes to answer them.

Not really all that many honestly, there are several million people who play this game daily and there have only been like 100 tops of that kind of post.

Deliberate FeedJan 13, 20161 votes

several million accounts. not ppl. this is the trash stats that riot will give out to make their bans seem more legit.

they will say stuff like "you are in the 0.2% toxic enough to be banned". And if you consider how many of those accounts are inactive or held by the same person, the real figure would be about "3 or 4%". Of course riot doesnt have any means to know how many ppl actually play and the only number they have is how many accounts there are but they do a sneaky job of sounding like each account is an original player.

JamareeJan 14, 20161 votes

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several million accounts. not ppl. this is the trash stats that riot will give out to make their bans seem more legit

they will say stuff like "you are in the 0.2% toxic enough to be banned". And if you consider how many of those accounts are inactive or held by the same person, the real figure would be about "3 or 4%". Of course riot doesnt have any means to know how many ppl actually play and the only number they have is how many accounts there are but they do a sneaky job of sounding like each account is an original player.

The last report we got was 16 million players daily, so that is still 16 million accounts and honestly, that is probably a generally right number.

Deliberate FeedJan 14, 20161 votes

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The last report we got was 16 million players daily, so that is still 16 million accounts and honestly, that is probably a generally right number.

with every other person having one or two smurfs, it would make that figure easily half (8 million). That is a HUGE difference. And thats just me being generous with saying a player has only one other smurf. (plenty of people, EVEN PROS have several smurfs).

JamareeJan 14, 20161 votes

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with every other person having one or two smurfs, it would make that figure easily half (8 million). That is a HUGE difference. And thats just me being generous with saying a player has only one other smurf. (plenty of people, EVEN PROS have several smurfs).

Ok, then 8 million players only about one hundred post about people saying they didn't break the rules so .0000125% of the game's population.

Deliberate FeedJan 14, 20161 votes

so since you've agreed that the 16 million figure riot claims is BS, what makes you think the figure on the percentage of ppl breaking rules is real? ty for falling into my trap.

JamareeJan 14, 20161 votes

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so since you've agreed that the 16 million figure riot claims is BS, what makes you think the figure on the percentage of ppl breaking rules is real? ty for falling into my trap.

I wasn't agree with your number, I was just saying that the percentage of people who are toxic enough to get permabanned and break the rules by cheating is low, very very very low.

Deliberate FeedJan 14, 20161 votes

the percentage that riot has given you. the same company that made it sound there are 16 million unique players by saying "16 million players daily". yup, lets believe that percentage.

and you just said "Ok, then 8 million players". that seems like you are confused as to whether the number by riot "16 million players" may not be true. If you aren't even sure of what the player pool is, how can you know the percentage of people getting perma banned?

JamareeJan 14, 20161 votes

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the percentage that riot has given you. the same company that made it sound there are 16 million unique players by saying "16 million players daily". yup, lets believe that percentage.

Why shouldn't I believe the percentage in the first place?

and you just said "Ok, then 8 million players". that seems like you are confused as to whether the number by riot "16 million players" may not be true. If you aren't even sure of what the player pool is, how can you know the percentage of people getting perma banned?

I said ok 8 million just to get to the point of this all, that a lot of people could once again simply be lying to cover themselves. Whether it is 8 million, 16 million, or hell only even a million, the percentage of permabanned people is rather small just going by the sample size of what we see on the forums. At most, I have only seen about 100 post about third party software abuse and since we are assuming that a percentage of the people of Riot's numbers are smurfs, the same can be said about them. I'm saying that when only about 100 people complain over the millions of people who play the game, the sample size alone shows that it could just as likely be people lying to cover their asses. I'm not saying there aren't false positive reports, there are likely people who fell through the cracks, I'm just saying that the chances of it being everyone here is low.

Deliberate FeedJan 14, 20161 votes

"Why shouldn't I believe the percentage in the first place?" because you aren't even sure how many people actually play this game. No one does. and yet Riot makes it seem like there are 16 million players. Which you clearly gobbled up that information being the gullible kid you are. "the percentage of permabanned people is rather small just going by the sample size of what we see on the forums" why is forums an indicator of permabanned people? there are a lot of NON english speaking players on NA servers. there aren't a lot of non english speaking that are writing posts. what is this logic your spewing? forums are for people to discuss. the game is for people to game. that means the forums appeals to a very SPECIFIC set of people. people that have things to say or like to discuss will be here. "I'm saying that when only about 100 people complain over the millions of people who play the game" wtf? you just mixed two different sample sizes. why are you comparing the 100 people on forums with the number of people playing the game? aren't you suppose to say "the 100 people of forums complaining over the bunch of people that don't complain on forums"? Boy you are bad at logic.

AninLegions777Jan 13, 20161 votes

They are not many relative to the total number of LoL players but on their own, 100 is quite a large number. In that hundred, thousands of hours have been spent leveling accounts and thousands of dollars spent. That's quite a lot.

JamareeJan 14, 20161 votes

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They are not many relative to the total number of LoL players but on their own, 100 is quite a large number. In that hundred, thousands of hours have been spent leveling accounts and thousands of dollars spent. That's quite a lot.

Well because they do it in waves, could just be the large wave they did catch, once again, who knows.

AninLegions777Jan 14, 20161 votes

I know they do it in waves. Also, I haven't seen cheaters in my last 1k games. So that means cheaters are quite rare. Therefore it leaves the ban waves prone to errors.

JamareeJan 14, 20161 votes

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I know they do it in waves. Also, I haven't seen cheaters in my last 1k games. So that means cheaters are quite rare. Therefore it leaves the ban waves prone to errors.

That...isn't quite how it works. Once again though, I'm not saying there aren't errors, no system is perfect, but it could just as likely be that they are lying to try and cover their asses.

AninLegions777Jan 14, 20161 votes

Yeah that's a possibility.

HexaDecimelJan 13, 20162 votes

I bet that if you looked at the player base overall, the percentage of perma bans would be very low. I have seen several instances where riot even removed the ban because of mistakes, so I think that they are perfectly willing to reverse it if they are wrong.

I also think that most people don't like to receive punishments, and if they are the type of people that are going to cheat in an attempt to win the game, I can easily imagine that they are the type people that will lie in hopes of getting out of it.

Now I am not saying that every banned players must have cheated. I am sure some are innocent. But I bet that the system Riot has in place likely has a high level of accuracy.

AninLegions777Jan 13, 20161 votes

No one likes to receive punishments. We may need it or want it but we never like it.

I can't comment on the accuracy of Riot's systems but if think about the time the system is inaccurate. Put yourself in the shoes of an unjustly permabanned player. It suck hard mate.

HexaDecimelJan 13, 20161 votes

Well this is just my opinion, but those that are accidentally banned have the opportunity to state their case and get it reversed. I don't think that Riot takes banning its players lightly, and I think they are willing to correct mistakes in this area. And for all of these players we see complaining and asking for proof, perhaps their account was reviewed internally and no changes were made because they really did cheat.

I completely get that it would suck to be unjustly permabanned. But, and this is just my opinion, those players would have a really good chance of getting Riot to review and reverse the ban if they actually did nothing wrong.

AninLegions777Jan 13, 20161 votes

I respect your opinion. ^^

Thunder Cats HOJan 13, 20162 votes

Yeah no man... I'm one that got banned and I'm definitely not lying. Feels bad dude. I just hope riot sorts it out.

GRVet3ran0sSJan 13, 20161 votes

The perma bans have gone crazy during this week and not only the script ones

AninLegions777Jan 13, 20161 votes

I uninstalled LoLWiz just to be on the safe side.

Thunder Cats HOJan 13, 20161 votes

I agree man. I'd like to hear from someone on this. It's rather poor taste to leave us all hanging. My best guess is they may be working on finding out the problem then they will say something. Let's just hope it's sooner than later because I'm feeling betrayed by Riot at the moment.

AninLegions777Jan 14, 20161 votes

Yeah I saw your thread man. Really sorry about that. I'm wondering why they haven't made an official statement yet. Hopefully before they end of the week, they do.