ARAM is not a place for justifying toxic attitudes

SanKakU··2 votes·2,032 views

I know that the randomness of the game can leave you out of good options from time to time. But generally, there are enough players that play ARAM that don't own all the champs, that with the new salvage champ system they added, you have access to something reasonable you can work with nowadays.

So, using ARAM as an excuse to just mess around and not take teamwork seriously is not cool. You don't know that others share your opinion that the game is lost from the draft, so why are you trying so hard to prevent everyone from winning? Or is that you just don't want to think about strategy? Whatever the case, if you get flamed for playing badly, and you were playing badly, more or less on purpose, why do you think it's okay to defend yourself?

The average person will not do so. Most players will just silently admit they were wrong and say nothing. But there are some people, like the kind of people that make some of the threads on these boards or join in the comments about them that will do otherwise. They will be keyboard warriors and insist that being a jerk that doesn't care about teamwork is fine and dandy and that people that don't like jerks are pure evil and need communication bans or banned from the forums or some such.

To quote myself from one of these threads:

You have plenty of time to discuss strategy in ARAM, everyone or at least most of the team should be dying around the same time on a regular basis. So many times I see someone tell me in post game lobby that this isn't ranked or some BS like that well guess what, I was being fair and nice the whole game, and probably got honored by at least 1 person that game too. Your opinion doesn't really matter if you use it as an excuse to not communicate with other players and to justify your grumpiness.

I deleted that comment because shortly after it, predictably enough, because it was running counter to the thread's main point...it was down-voted and I knew it was just going to get more down-votes. So here I am, making a rival thread.

I want to point out, that discussing strategy is viewed as flaming, whether correct or incorrect is irrelevant. The point is that players don't want to chat with their teammates and they try to get out of doing so and justify their bad attitudes by telling you that there's nothing tangible on the line. But what they don't realize is that their honor is at stake.

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Kei1432 votes

I don't really discuss my strategy as people at my MMR really can't execute on fancy teamwork combos.

I'll give explaination on what I want to do once. If they don't follow with it, then I'll play a different style.

Baka Red1 votes

I do something similar, like sometimes I announce things like "My build will most likely be RoA + tank" (Singed usually, because if team knows I will build Tank after Roa, they will know that the team will have a front line a little bit later and don't have to fear that I go for full AP) or "I will do AD Lulu, because we need AD dmg to take down their tanks." Other than things like that I don't usually speak at all. If I will be building the cookie cutter build or something close to it, I say nothing. Well, sometimes I throw in a pun or two if stars align weirdly - that happens less often than once a week.

I agree with the OP that there is time for some strategy/tactics discussion. I would not say "plenty of time" though because plenty is subjective and for me there is no plenty of time to talk during ARAM. When I talk, I tend to be long winded and use long sentences .. like the ones you see here.

Dragfin2 votes

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I know that the randomness of the game can leave you out of good options from time to time. But generally, there are enough players that play ARAM that don't own all the champs, that with the new salvage champ system they added, you have access to something reasonable you can work with nowadays.

So, using ARAM as an excuse to just mess around and not take teamwork seriously is not cool. You don't know that others share your opinion that the game is lost from the draft, so why are you trying so hard to prevent everyone from winning? Or is that you just don't want to think about strategy? Whatever the case, if you get flamed for playing badly, and you were playing badly, more or less on purpose, why do you think it's okay to defend yourself?

The average person will not do so. Most players will just silently admit they were wrong and say nothing. But there are some people, like the kind of people that make some of the threads on these boards or join in the comments about them that will do otherwise. They will be keyboard warriors and insist that being a jerk that doesn't care about teamwork is fine and dandy and that people that don't like jerks are pure evil and need communication bans or banned from the forums or some such.

To quote myself from one of these threads:

You have plenty of time to discuss strategy in ARAM, everyone or at least most of the team should be dying around the same time on a regular basis. So many times I see someone tell me in post game lobby that this isn't ranked or some BS like that well guess what, I was being fair and nice the whole game, and probably got honored by at least 1 person that game too. Your opinion doesn't really matter if you use it as an excuse to not communicate with other players and to justify your grumpiness.

I deleted that comment because shortly after it, predictably enough, because it was running counter to the thread's main point...it was down-voted and I knew it was just going to get more down-votes. So here I am, making a rival thread.

I want to point out, that discussing strategy is viewed as flaming, whether correct or incorrect is irrelevant. The point is that players don't want to chat with their teammates and they try to get out of doing so and justify their bad attitudes by telling you that there's nothing tangible on the line. But what they don't realize is that their honor is at stake.

If anyone says, "It's only Aram", they get the first line in my report because their attitude already sucks. I agree, these people think that everyone should feel the same way as they do and instead of just keeping their sewage hole shut they say something like this. I ALWAYS report this as negative attitude everytime I see someone type it in chat.

NA Omega1 votes

As a policy I've adopted ignoring, and then muting all in game. This is a result of the the victim blaming that occurs a result of vehemently defending yourself.. resulting in the victim being banned.. So communication can only occur via pings. Happy to communicate in game at that point only.

Kei1433 votes

Btw, there is a difference in defending yourself and counter flaming. Defending yourself won't get you banned, but counter flaming will.

SanKakU1 votes

Counter-flaming doesn't get you banned as long as you don't do anything that would upset anyone. Players' definition of flaming varies, but IME, the LoL community has an exaggerated opinion on what flaming is.

You've got people that say death threats are flaming then you got others that say quoting KDA numbers is flaming. They are both right. Obviously the first kind is widely considered unacceptable, but the second kind is generally seen as being passive aggressive and there are a lot of players that don't like that, which is why people do it. Personally I don't mind which kind of over-the-top flaming style someone uses, the fact they are using such flaming techniques indicates they aren't interested in having real conversations in the game.

You can disagree with me if you like, but I prefer to think that civil arguments and conversations are completely fine to have in the game and may happen with flaming involved, assuming that insults are kept to a minimum. But again, a lot of people think being nice means not flaming at all. They don't know what tough love is and that kind of thing. I can tell Orianna she should give allies her ball instead of only using it for herself, that is basically flaming and disapproving of her play style. She could counter argue, but she's probably just a robot so I just ignore her after she continues doing the same things. A less-experienced player might rage at her and such a person would typically be the kind people think of when they think of the word 'flaming'.

Kei1431 votes

Having a constructive back and forth discussion is not the same as counter-flaming.

Counter-flaming involves insulting the other parties, and people somehow think they are defending themselves.

Constructive back and forth discussions won't get you punished. Counter-flaming will.

SanKakU2 votes

Try telling Ornn that flaming isn't constructive.

Kei1432 votes

Ashe Lissandra Sejuani

flaming isn't constructive.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

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