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Chat ban system is broken, makes competitve ranked "Safe Zones"

Squarepusher··1 votes·891 views

TL;DR people get triggered by me asking them to stop feed, report me for toxic then I get chat banned

This is all ranked games, I don't really care what my teammates do in Normal games.

I am a fairly new LOL player (about 3 months seriously), and been climbing the ranks. I went from B5 to S5 now in about a month. I just got a chat ban for 10 games, its pretty silly actually I am usually encouraging people to play better in my games.

I play support role only, so from this role I can see a lot of how the game is going and also it means I am most dedicated for my team to win. Everyone queues in ranked games wants to win and gain ranking points, this is not learning or casual mode.

So basically, I was chat banned for being toxic, in reality I am just having my team play better, and yes calling out mistakes when the happen. So basically, on the games I was reported, I sit in lane and support so my ADC gets good farm, and the ADC ends up feeding. Then the top lane is going like 0-10. I don't report anything about other people playing bad, I just tell them to stop feeding and explain to them that feeding will lose us the game.

Some people do not like to be criticized at all, and even if they are dying every 2 minutes like clockwork, you tell them to stop feeding and they call you toxic. This is a team game, if you look at any team game, there is pressure and you should get negative feedback from your teammates if you are doing bad. Some people simply cannot learn, if they are 0-5, that they need to play with the team, or be cautious and stay behind. I tell people like this to be careful.

For example, in a game my ADC is like 0-6, no enemies showing on the map and hes pushing up far in a lane solo. So I will ping him like 4x to go back, give verbal warning : "go back now" Then they ignore me, and end up dying 10 seconds later, I tell them they are bad for not listening and feeding, then they sometimes unleash full homophobic/cursing rant and act like I am the bad guy. I don't report other people, its not my goal to get someone punished by Riots banning system, I am simply trying to get a win. However these people do report me for calling them out on their repeated mistakes. I tell them you should listen they are being selfish. People get mad when you call them out for feeding. These people call me toxic, when in reality its the opposite, they are ensuring a loss for 4 other teammates, while I am trying to get them to stop so we have a chance to win. If a player is not feeding or doing bad, I won't tell them what to do or not to do. Only players that are being bad I will try to put them in line to stop feeding or play with team, when they are specifically doing bad actions I try to correct them

So anyways, I am chat banned now, and its depressing because I am actually trying to win games, supporting EVERY game as fill, getting pink wards, making sure the ADC can farm and heal him for every misstep, then I am chat banned now trying to help my team.

This chat ban system is clearly very flawed, in the games it linked that I was banned for, they completely ignored

  1. the chat my team said to me which I did not report (usually stuff completely cursing, or saying they are going to feed, or homophobic rant)
  2. the team scores of the people I am talking to. Usually top laner 0/12 who keeps pushing solo lane and dying, adc who suicides trying to trade for support, etc. I never feed in any of my games, if you look at my score history, I am rarely/never feeding, even in losing games http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/210944616

how is it toxic to tell a teammate to stop feeding and ruining the game for 4 other people? With this chat ban system. this seems like its some mega safe space, where you aren't allowed to say anything critical and have to be artificially positive in games. Like seriously what ranked competition isn't allowed to be critical of teammates or performance? you have to high 5 everyone even if they are 0-15 and tell them to keep positive and keep trying and they are doing nothing wrong.

If you don't like what I have to say, just mute me, I don't see why I need a ban. Why aren't the other players banned for going 2/9/1 ADC or 3-14 top?

Here is the exact chat log quote. I admit I slightly went too far, when I said "dumfk," and "dumbass" which is a little over the top since I do not like to use an insult. However it was a direct reply that he was dumb that he said I didn't land hooks, when I did land a few. So he has to be dumb or a troll to stay that. If you look in context to what they were replying it wasn't that far out of line. This is exact copy paste of Riot email saying I was banned. Keep note, this is like 3 separate games they quoted me for, but in the email it doesn't make a distinction between games. I think 2 of the games was 4v5 (our teammate was d/c from the beginning) thats why I was saying since our team feeds hard, and its 4v5, we can't win.

> cmon tris thats 2 2 deaths i am landing my spells stop feeding please i am stop feeedingsd thats lpe it landed dumfk game over 4v5 feeders 4v5 and feeders you can't win lee sin and you will you stop feeding? if i do that you die so much you traded for a support dumbass the only way you can't feed u onyl have 37 xcs cs also tris trades deaths with a support and this its ok no plural you have 1 kill and you dove suicided for it just push yall 4v5 with feeders unwinnable tris dies twice to literally Wukong support lol how bad is that im support i dont pick where he goes swap? this is solo queue she could pick lux if she wants it bad news Maokai, wen you were d/c, you team decided to feed hard we could have won 4v5 but Tristana wanted to trade kills with a support ADC for support, good trade? and she died twice bot in 5 minutes u had 2 deaths by lvl 4 maybe you should also hug turrets if you can't stay alive? also he fed twice in lane if you want to play ADC don't trade with supportsd learn how to internet before you play ranked i could have carried even with feeder Tristaana and Morgana but 4v5 made it impossible noob team

17 Comments

MisterHealYoGirl6 votes

Do you think your team doesn't understand that dying a lot is a bad thing? You don't need to point it out, honey: THEY KNOW. If you were offering some actual advice like "Riven, a Hexdrinker might help you against that Rumble" or "Try not to use your jump aggressively, Trist, we're behind", it's a different story, but all you're doing is pointing out that other players on your team are doing poorly. The closest you come (and it's a distant cousin) to helpful advice is 'maybe you should also hug turrets if you can't stay alive'.

You seem to think that declaring loudly how terrible your team is will help you win the game. Contrary to popular belief, it will not. Either politely offer actual advice, or zip your lips.

Squarepusher1 votes

This is a silly comment. If someone doesn't know that dying is bad, then why is my top lane 0-7 at 12 minutes? People DONT KNOW. Your ADC carry 1/6 will dive 3 people just to try to kill an enemy support. People get tilted and just start suiciding, or being careless, even though its gunna make it so much harder for their other 4 people on their team to win. These people are careless, what about the other 4 people on their team who they are lining up a loss for? And while he is 0-7, why is he solo in enemy jungle with no visions with no enemies showing? After 2-3 deaths you should learn to be careful even if sacrificing some farm or experience. Then, this 0-7 top, I give him retreat pings 5x in a row, tell him to go back, they ignore me and then die right after. The solution to feeding, is to not die. Letting yourself get to some record like 0-7 should rarely happen, then you watch this same person dive 2 enemies at their tower on his own and die again.

Yes, some people need to be told to stop dying. That is actual advice to someone who is dying a lot.

Kei1434 votes

oh they know dying is bad. They just don't know how to get back into the green.

Typically it boils down to wave management and zoning.

LostFr0st3 votes

If you ping 5x and always spam ping I'll stop listening to you regardless.
No one likes spam pings. No one likes spam-pingers.

Ping ONCE then say why (for example ping Danger then type "Wu topside.") You need not say more than that, then let them decide what they do.

MisterHealYoGirl4 votes

It's really a shame: you have all this insight. 'Don't be in their jungle without vision of their team' 'Don't shove your wave out if you're behind' 'Don't dive if you're alone' All of this is useful advice! Feel free to give it! But the chat logs you posted are NOT THAT. You're not telling someone HOW not to die, you're just telling them not to and hoping they figure it out. They are not dying to SPITE you; they're dying because they have trouble playing from behind. If you want to help them with that, great! If not, enjoy your chat ban.

'stop dying' is not "actual advice to someone who is dying a lot". It's just you being a dick to strangers you'll never meet again.

Squarepusher1 votes

Also, the chat system report thing is broke, since you do not see 95% of my other games, where I am WINNING and climbing from Bronze V to silver V in month. You don't see all the commendations I get from BOTH teams after winning games. You do not see what those OTHER players are saying to me. I keep my chat focused based on actual things the player does. Like stop dying, stop feeding, specific things related to actualy gameplay. There other people in chat go completely off topic, like say I should die from cancer, cursing. completely ad hominem attack. Honestly I don't care, I can mute someone if I don't want to hear it, resorting to reporting someone because they called you out on being bad and having these people rule the game is backwards.

not really, if you watch the actual replay, you will see I am pinging them "back" many times when they are out of position, and communicating with pings. This is directly giving them advice on what to do to avoid deaths. I give them 3 pings to back when they are out of place, in these cases where they DONT LISTEN AND DIE then I tell them in chat to stop dying. Sometimes I have to spend a lot of my time just dedicated to these feeding players to watch them constantly to tell them where to go and not go so they dont give our team a loss.

I don't care too much if you are in my ranked game, and you have a few deaths, and play cautions, if you are behind that is OK. We will probably still win the game since another of our lanes did well and we can play as a team to win. However its these toxic players who continue to ignore the team, and feed over and over. They are feeding hard, of course I can't report them for intentional feeding since that type of thing is impossible to prove only in the most extreme cases of walking into towers, and requires Riot to actually watch the replays to see it (which is too time consuming).

Also, I still don't understand why ignoring your team, feeding and giving 4 other people a loss is fine, but someone calling you out for it is being toxic and needs a ban. Seems pretty backwards to me.

It's just you being a dick to strangers you'll never meet again.

Also, with stellar irony, you just called me a curse word on a public forum in response to me having toxic chat, I could report you for that but that is perfectly OK by you since you are a hypocrite. I am over 13 years old and don't need to report someone for this type of thing.

Now its your turn, go report me for triggering you and get banned from this forum also. I wouldn't even be surprised if you did that based on what you wrote.

MisterHealYoGirl1 votes

Why would I report you? I just think that you're wrong about how deserved your chat ban is. You've already been punished, and I see no need to try and get you more punished.

Looking at your match history (which is the only thing you made available), I see that you have a 53% win rate over your last hundred games, and a 40% win rate over your last thirty. You're not some sort of savant, dude. You're just a player like the rest of us. Sometimes you go 11/2 on Teemo, sometimes you go 0/6 on Lux. IT HAPPENS.

What other people are saying in the chat has no bearing on whether or not you deserve a chat ban. You acted inappropriately, you were banned. They were acting inappropriately, they will be banned. 'She started it' has never been, and will never be, an acceptable defense: it takes two to tango. If someone is doing poorly, politely give them advice if you think that will help. If they ignore it, report and move on. You weren't just banned because your advice was unhelpful: you were banned because the way in which you chose to deliver it was overwhelmingly negative and aggressive.

Kei1433 votes

ehh .... its not the "stop feeding" that is getting you punished..

Squarepusher1 votes

so why don't you be constructive and add what it was

Kei1433 votes

Ehh.. I was thinking to cut out the parts where you weren't toxic. Re-reading it again, your whole chat log was you being passive-aggressive & negative.

There are like .. 5 lines of neutralness. I can't be bothered to do a proper toxic behavior review format. Just put yourself in their shoes and tell someone to read that to you while you are doing bad. If it triggers you to get angry, then you have succeeded in being toxic.

LostFr0st2 votes

I think it was sarcasm. The "stop feeding" IS the problem. Along with but not limited to: dumbfk, game over, unwinnable, telling them they suicided, learn how to internet, noob team, etc.

I Am Legxndary1 votes

You deserved it.

Keep chatting that way and you'll be looking at a 2 week ban soon.

Squarepusher1 votes

"Safe Space" League Of Legends I guess is the new game. Its perfectly ok to give 4 people on your team a loss, but not allowed to "hurt your feelings" and say that you are feeding.

I Am Legxndary1 votes

Just don't type. I tell people this so many times.

Don't chat at all during a game. Play and if anyone is being toxic or feeding and griefing... mute and report after the game.

You will never get a restriction or ban this way. Better for you.

Raistlin1 votes

i usually go with ,

please play safer

jungle go help top im fine here

get some mr/armour

try to just defend and not push you wont get ganked

Works 50/50

Stop feeding maybe works the same i dunno, but i think we all feel better about ourselves if we dont grief ,at least sometimes.

Fovere1 votes

+1 for Tom Jenkinson .

Most of the replies here are just going to be criticizing you for rudeness or negativity or whatever.

Riot is basically trying to make League a "safe space", and they don't distinguish between ranked and other game modes. It can get really uncomfortable sometimes because they basically require you to be verbally respectful towards others, regardless of what they are doing / how they are behaving.

This is going to come back and bite them in the ass, but for now you basically cannot use chat for anything other than "gg" and "fiora f" or similar.

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