permanently banned after being held hostage

Omegaisking·Apr 26, 2018·1 votes·2,581 views

before you read let me clearify the people that opposite this thtread have clearly never experienced this and my 14 day bann was just becaus ei was in a prom game and my 2 of our teamates decided to give up mid game and int even the enmy tean agreed on that but those 2 reported me and that was the inyl game i was toxic in for a week and a half but i get the bann a hammer i like hwo some of you make up these dumb reaosns but i know for a fact if you were in my position you would do the same thing you act all perfect but ik for a fact most of you arent thee little angels you act to be. so i literally just got off my 14 day bann TODAY and the first game i get into its a 4 man party and i ask then to ff bk most of them are high af and arent tkaing it serious at all so they decide to hokd me hostage for 55 min and all report me after game and i tried not to type this game but they inted on purpose and then would blame me instnatly my supp would roam when we got pushed in and i would die 5 sec later and they would flame me abd at that point i got flustered but later on i stoped caring becuase they were trying to get a 100 min game it and i didnt want to get leavebuster i hoenstley think i sohuldnt be perma banned for beingannoyed at the fact my team wants to int on purpose and then flame me. But i stoped caring and just stood in base i died a lot bk i didnt move no point i wanted the game ended but they would neevr end and no i didnt throw the game they would give each other kills and make sure they minions would not end the game heck they rached each other abd danced for 10 min but always killed me when i spawned because i didnt want to be apaort of it and yes i did leanr something form my bann but i got fursutrated because i had to sit ina agame for 55 min and watch ppl "GIVE" each other kills and never let me leave untill minions ended the game by accident you cant tell me it wouldnt geta nnying when yur team is a 4 man party trading kills and runnign it down mid then blaming the one solo q player because he wants to leave the game i have the whole game recorded if you need better clarity. I odnt deserve a perma ban because of my team wanitng to have a 100 min game and the 14 day bann was form 1 single game and literally what i got banned for was calling him stupid wich ik is bannable and i did learn my lesson 65% of that chat log is after the fact were i accepted the game taking forever and just started talking to them and joining in on there convo. I doubt any of them got punishe dbecause there a 4 man party chat log:Game 1 Omegaisking: he used w.... Omegaisking: lux is afk Omegaisking: lol Omegaisking: lux Omegaisking: wtf Omegaisking: r you doing Omegaisking: your playing the game half assed Omegaisking: you keep pausing to hoit your bpw Omegaisking: thats why you smoke before as game Omegaisking: jesius chris tdued Omegaisking: when you have more cs you know your having an unlucky game Omegaisking: sigh Omegaisking: well jinx is too fed now Omegaisking: nice Omegaisking: im on my own at this pint Omegaisking: i wish Omegaisking: my supp roamed all the way top Omegaisking: when were sturgglign in lane Omegaisking: use your head more dude Omegaisking: ff Omegaisking: lux decided to int Omegaisking: flashed into morgs stun Omegaisking: lol Omegaisking: 20/8 -THIS IS THE POINT WERE THEY START THE KILL TRADING AND NOT ENDING THE GAME Omegaisking: im tirnna have a chill niught Omegaisking: just ff and next game Omegaisking: i dont like playing 30 min games Omegaisking: bot lane is open Omegaisking: and you r torlling Omegaisking: literally cant supp Omegaisking: nah Omegaisking: my supp keeps getting me killed Omegaisking: thats not torlling Omegaisking: thats me wanting to move on Omegaisking: its apointless gmae Omegaisking: just wasitng an extra 30 min of a game that leads to a defeat Omegaisking: oh Omegaisking: its my fault you died? Omegaisking: what Omegaisking: amumu tried to 2v1 fed ppl Omegaisking: we would of both died anyway Omegaisking: i think logically dude Omegaisking: not i need kils every second Omegaisking: yeah this elo just cares about kils Omegaisking: i honestly dont care Omegaisking: ik we alr lost Omegaisking: because i can tyoe Omegaisking: im chillin Omegaisking: who reports in norms lmao Omegaisking: you gain nothign form norms lol Omegaisking: kayle you have 8 deatsh lol your itning just as bad Omegaisking: first of all Omegaisking: jinxes first kill Omegaisking: was on lux Omegaisking: beign afk smokign a bowl Omegaisking: like i said im chillin having a good time playing lol Omegaisking: not tkaing htis game serious its norms Omegaisking: ok then so why you complainign to me Omegaisking: just play and have fun Omegaisking: weed is still good fam Omegaisking: good to hear Omegaisking: i mean we can all go mid and take tower Omegaisking: force the rowers Omegaisking: mind blown Omegaisking: yez Omegaisking: same Omegaisking: i mean imagine if i played draven lol Omegaisking: i woulf of felt bad for you jinx Omegaisking: hell yeah Omegaisking: im fking trash at twitch Omegaisking: im a draven main Omegaisking: im triyng to sotp tpying Omegaisking: but hst Omegaisking: i sht on sivir Omegaisking: lol Omegaisking: y Omegaisking: im sorry but i wont be here for 70 min Omegaisking: so you guys are going for a 70 min game for no reaosn... Omegaisking: what my team says Omegaisking: i Omegaisking: im trinna leave tho' Omegaisking: i tried Omegaisking: the leave button is gone Omegaisking: prison is a place with no weed Omegaisking: you guys gonna end anytimew soon? i wanan play smoe draven Omegaisking: np Omegaisking: need help? Omegaisking: \fk we suck Omegaisking: smoe smoe is the new wave Omegaisking: 5 Omegaisking: gg fun game Omegaisking: ' Omegaisking: its op op Omegaisking: lemme go for that pls Omegaisking: bk im ding a lot Omegaisking: i havent farmed lol Omegaisking: i thhogiht about it Omegaisking: my itemss are norm tho Omegaisking: i got nrom items Omegaisking: wait comon end the fking game man Omegaisking: wlel this is all being recorded so Omegaisking: LET ME JOING IN ON THIS Omegaisking: IM FAS TAF BOI Omegaisking: ok im gonna dance in fountain Omegaisking: gl Omegaisking: im 1% away from lvling up Omegaisking: i didnt Omegaisking: i was shooting the eward Omegaisking: i ulte dthe ward Omegaisking: SONA WHY Omegaisking: can you guys end pls Omegaisking: this is getting boring Omegaisking: jinx end pls Omegaisking: ill dacne with you Omegaisking: and help Omegaisking: well morg is a dj head Omegaisking: dk Omegaisking: IM TUNK AF BOI Omegaisking: WIAT Omegaisking: YUOU DIED Omegaisking: im danceing if you see me dont kill me Omegaisking:
Omegaisking: sona how Omegaisking: ill go back to norm items and famr lol Omegaisking: we can still win lol Omegaisking: gg we woild of won Omegaisking: we diid better Omegaisking: ggwp now im perma banned lmao the system is so bad honesltey people that can hokd someoen hostage can get away with it by reporting the victim so frusturating

Omegaisking: im sorry but i wont be here for 70 min Omegaisking: so you guys are going for a 70 min game for no reaosn... Omegaisking: what my team says Omegaisking: i Omegaisking: im trinna leave tho' Omegaisking: i tried Omegaisking: the leave button is gone Omegaisking: prison is a place with no weed Omegaisking: you guys gonna end anytimew soon? i wanan play smoe draven proof right here that they wanted to extend the game also

Glad to know the 300 dollars i poped into this account are gone down the drain

47 Comments

ChermorgApr 26, 20188 votes

Nobody held you hostage. You chose to queue up for a game, and when it didn't go your way you decided that since you weren't having fun nobody else on your team could have fun. You don't have any right to surrender/leave a game early - and if your team doesn't want to you don't get to flame them and berate them for it.

OmegaiskingApr 26, 20181 votes

they literally said lets hold him hostage and try for a 100 min game and i never left the game i have the whole game if you need proof, theres no reaosning for me to throw a game because im not ejoying it i literally just got off a 14 day banned i was jsut tired of them letting each other push minions and give eahc other kills so the game owuld never end

ForFoxSakesApr 26, 20183 votes

You went on a 14 day ban vacation and literally learned nothing. If you didnt type so much they wouldnt try to troll you even more

OmegaiskingApr 26, 20182 votes

its hard when your team bumbards you with insults and vulgar language knowing they wont be affected because there a 4 man party

Silent GravityApr 26, 20185 votes

A single report does everything that 9 reports do.

If they were 'bombarding' you with insults, then you should have muted them. There is no benefit to listening to abuse.

Report them after the game.

OmegaiskingApr 26, 20181 votes

i did but unmuted them 25 min in thinking they were done and i had to ask of the enemy team could end the game as you can read

AzadetheApr 26, 20182 votes

Omega was a horrible example of a 14 day out of suspension, but he does have 2 points which are valid out of any 14 day suspension:

You get placed in a really low priority Queue out of discipline, in expectation of you being a bad actor (it's actually part of the system). If you have been reprimanded, expect to be placed with other toxic players more actively and common. In Other words, Riot's Queue system is setting the stage.
Riot's current system has an intensely low threshhold after a 14 day ban. Most literally get a perma ban right out of the 14 day ban, because ONE offense can result in the permanent step.

I've actually had one of these, and I don't talk 1/4 - 1/5 of what this guy does (Now you're going try to discredit my argument because I admit to having similar problems).

Back in September 2017, I got a 14 day ban after some 2-3 months of not having even a chat ban (Aka I was about to get back into honor eligibility, and demoted a punishment tier).

The Elo boosting account season had begun in wake of the Season's end, and Diamond smurfs were running down in Gold, lopsiding games hard, I was warning my teams level 1 to play defensively and safe, they were completely ignoring me because of their egos, so after ~ 15 minutes of a game, I'd occasionally tell them exactly what they were doing wrong, after they had started the conversation some 5 minutes before - and never stopped. Those 15 -20 line interactive late game chats we had in game resulted in a 3rd offense nearly 3 months after my second.

So..... I got a 14 day.

When they 14 day was off, I literally got 3 int feed teams in a row. Not my "percieved" int feed definition: they actually were. Like run down the mid. Using Teleport and Mobis to make it faster and harder. Crap talking and baiting team into conversations, claiming the others were bad, and that THEY should stop feeding, Troll comments entire game.

I went off.

By my 4th Queue up and after game was loading, I got a Perma ban.

Literally within 2 1/2 hours of account release.

I'm not even going to try to defend myself for late game counterbanter, but what I want you to notice is..... This is what you get RIGHT after discipline. You teams of more disfunctionals instead of the average teams you would like to have to calm you down and allow you to think. The post discipline games are DESIGNED to heap stress upon stress on an already unstable ban recipient.

That's like putting a Prisoner in Solitary. Or Imprisoning a drug addict: Neither work, and are in fact torture to recipient and solve nothing. They aren't rehabilitation friendly. They're like dropping a gangster off at the very corner his gang claims, giving him straight to his gang, and telling them he snitched.

I do think the OP is an intense offender, and he doesn't even realize it.

But I also understand the system is designed to put him in a situation where he's going to be worse at his worst, and there's nothing that tells a player,

"If you are a 14 day ban recipient, you can and will be banned within 2-3 games of your return with 0 tolerance if you haven't reformed."

That's insane for the highest paid game in the world.

OmegaiskingApr 26, 20181 votes

I understand that it was a terrible example but i have never gone through something like this before and it caught me off guard

ChermorgApr 26, 20185 votes

You think Riot willfully matches you with intentional feeders just to try and trigger you?

That's a conspiracy theory with no proof if I've ever seen one.

OmegaiskingApr 26, 20181 votes

literally said if you need proof i can give it too you plus theres the op.gg you didnt read what i wrote you just assume chermog thats you defedn even when your wrong lol theres o reasoning with you

AzadetheApr 26, 20181 votes

No. It's really not. Several times they have described what a Low Priority Queue is. It's where they stick players where they feel they are prone to leave players with a bad experience. It's also used for Leaver Busters.

I'm not going to defend the OP, but it does happen.

And it's not int feeders..... it's anyone who historically recently has been labeled a "bad actor"

Aka: Other verbal offenders. Afkers Leavers Griefers Hate speechers.

They do track offenses, and they play a role in your team structuring.

ChermorgApr 26, 20182 votes

No. Low priority queue is for AFK offenses only, and it only refers to the waiting 20 minutes before being matched. There is no separate "toxic queue".

ChermorgApr 26, 20183 votes

If they wanted to keep playing the game, that's their right. If they coordinated with the enemy team to intentionally not end the game when they had the obvious chance to, that may be punishable. But it still doesn't excuse your behavior.

OmegaiskingApr 26, 20181 votes

dude your telling me you would sit there and watch it happen and not type a single thing? having your whole team constantly blame you and having the enemy team have a truths system where they help each other so the game doesn't end? and you would just sit there and die over and over again and not get annoyed because you cant do anything about it because you know yull get in trouble?

ChermorgApr 26, 20185 votes

You're free to mute and report your team.

You are never allowed to flame, harass, berate, and abuse anyone else.

You're free to get annoyed, pissed, angry, frustrated, whatever emotion you want.

You are not free to take your emotions out on others. You are expected to control your emotions just as you would walking down the street if someone trips you - you don't get up and start attacking them.

turboExtraApr 26, 20183 votes

but it sorta seems like its ok for the other 4 to take out their emotions on him?? where is the balance...

ChermorgApr 26, 20183 votes

Did I say their behavior wasn't punishable? I said their behavior does not somehow make OPs behavior okay. It is fully possible everyone is behaving badly in a game, and everyone deserves punishment for it.

turboExtraApr 26, 20182 votes

but thats the thing, it is justifiable.. if you were walking down the street and i punched you in the face is it not ok for you to punch me in the face??? yeah its totally ok.. honestly, id think less of you if you didnt respond. then we go back to the whole 'he started it' thing you brought up.. so when were in court it comes up that i attacked you and you responded in defense. the riot way of resolving this is to give me a slap on the wrist and send your ass to prison. that doesnt make any sense at all.

Clev3r0n3Apr 26, 20181 votes

Dude don't even bother, chermorg is always defending this punishment system no matter how many people tell him repeatedly that it punishes the wrong people and it's an absolute joke.

Baka RedApr 26, 20181 votes

You are comparing verbal assault in kind-of-virtual reality to a physical assault in real world. Not a good comparison. Verbal assault during a team game in physical world would be closer to the level of "crime". So, if someone insults you while you are playing football for example, what would you do? I would either just ask the referee to do something about it, and/or ignore it afterwards. Those two actions are the actions we are supposed to do here in league too: Mute & Report the abusive people.

turboExtraApr 26, 20182 votes

.. ask the referee lmfaooooo no, id stick said dude in the face, like they do in hockey. football is weak.

Baka RedApr 26, 20181 votes

Would you like to guess which player the RL referee would throw out of the field? The verbal abuser, or the one who hits the abuser in the face? Anyways, you aren't quite that prone to resorting to violence in real life, are you now? Mute & Report is still the valid option here in league, and the same applies to RL when we are talking about verbal abuse response in a team game.

PS: I don't do physical team sports. Tae Kwon Do is my 'sport' of choise. It does include calmness training, in case you are wondering. :)

turboExtraApr 26, 20181 votes

... yea and on that note do you think people troll each other as hard in real life as they do in video games??? no they dont, because they know theyd get the shit kicked out of them.

XidphelApr 26, 20181 votes

I disagree with your actions but my Canadian side forced me to upvote you for your hockey comment.

BigFBearApr 26, 20183 votes

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Nobody held you hostage. You chose to queue up for a game, and when it didn't go your way you decided that since you weren't having fun nobody else on your team could have fun. You don't have any right to surrender/leave a game early - and if your team doesn't want to you don't get to flame them and berate them for it.

Chermorg what is your goal here in this forum? Are u just opening all this threads and start arguing against them without reading or thinking? You dont need to defend this new broken SJW-Report-System from Riot. It happens way to often that the Trolls get away with their shit just because they know what key-words to avoid in chat and the victims get punished!

OmegaiskingApr 26, 20181 votes

honestly

ChermorgApr 26, 20186 votes

If you flame someone, you're not a victim, you're a perpetrator.

"He started it" is not a valid excuse in real life.

That being said, you're getting off topic for this thread, which is specifically about OPs punishment. Please feel free to create a thread to discuss your opinion of how people should be allowed to flame in retaliation for the community to discuss. Further "thread hijacking" or off topic replies will likely result in removal. If you have any questions about this please do not hesitate to contact us in the Boards Moderation Discord server.

turboExtraApr 26, 20183 votes

{quoted}

If you flame someone, you're not a victim, you're a perpetrator.

"He started it" is not a valid excuse in real life.

im guessing youve never experienced real life?

AzadetheApr 26, 20181 votes

Although I think he's wrong on his response to my post (I'm no conspiracy theorist; I actually research before I speak), He has rules he must abide by in being a forum advisor. It's unwise to try to bait him into other responses outside his guidelines. He's generally a good guy.

He's basically saying both were in the wrong, a stance that is Riot's in dealing with bad behavior. It's meant to remove all macro responsibility from Riot (for having the strictest and often mostly negative reinforcement system in the gaming world, while laying it all on the micro behavior of the players).

That's their right to do so and if it goes too far, it will hurt their position as a game. But for now.... the rules are the rules and try to argue from the basis of what they are, not what they SHOULD be, because that's a conversation we probably are in no position to debate.

(Also, some casual players actually like the system the way it is, so it's really hard to create a community push against it)

**Personally, I don't like Riot's Macro solutions for behavior, but I also don't like bad behavior by players. I actually think Riot's right on equal punishment. **

I just think less things should be punished. Players get competitive, and there's a hundred different reasons to rage. There's only a couple reasons not to: Fun and Winning. If you're playing for fun, you generally play Norms. If you're playing to win, you're generally playing ranked. However, there's crossover, and what is often "fun" isn't winning. That creates friction.

Most things Riot punishes should be punished:

Inting. Leaving. Afking, Cheating. Hate speech.

But..... a lot of the time people just get banned for having bad days and getting really deconstructive during those games. I think OmegaIsKing is outside the scope of what I'd consider acceptable, but I think some of that needs to be acceptable, and for a couple reasons:

People obviously haven't stopped being toxic/offensive. It's not working.
People haven't abandoned the $2 Billion monster they created by playing this in droves yet because of toxicity. Revenue generally grows. (meaning revenues could grow even more if people weren't so fearful of bans because they regularly have bad days, bad teams, etc)
Although sportsmen generally encourage sportsmanship, being unsportsmanlike exists, is part of life, and Riot actually has stricter rules on this than Baseball, Basketball, Football. In Balled sports, generally the only sportsman penalties are if you offend a referee, or physically destroy/abuse things.
Less policing actually results in a less salty community, because a large portion of toxicity actually stems just from the "I'm gonna report you" conversation. Riot's players KNOW reports work, which gives them an incentive to bait and trap, because they like setting other players back. Reducing the number of bad actor topics would mean less spam, and maybe a little more communication.

turboExtraApr 26, 20181 votes

you put way too much time into that.

AzadetheApr 26, 20181 votes

Or...... I was around and saw both the results of the Tribunal, and the IFS. The Tribunal got positive global critiques for its scientific prowess.

When they tried to translate the Tribunal into a "dictionary of words" bad players use, they got something horribly wrong. People who never got disciplined under the Tribunal began getting flagged for words that didn't statistically get them banned before with the IFS. It's like Riot took their findings from the Tribunal, and added terms that are outside parameters of what consisted bad players that fit the term within some 60% or 75% interval of Significance, which isn't what real scientific studies include.

(Generally we want significance levels of .9 or greater for scientific studies)

Ofc, I can't even get a hold of Riot's financials, because that's a Tencent internal document no public person can access, so I'm also just speculating here.

What I do know: media who made articles describing terms of dictionary in the Tribunal study defined Toxicity as mostly racist, hate speech, bigotry. What they did NOT mention:

-Cussing -Pointed Blaming/Accusing/Telling others what they did wrong -saying GG with a high frequency

Now, even I can understand Cussing as also being in there, so I can forgive that.

But the others are actually legitimate reasons people get banned. I actually have bans on the record where literally all I ever did, was tell people how to win, what they are doing wrong, what advice they ignored that led them to a losing situation.

Now..... I try my best to hold most of that off and save it for post game. So, instead of getting banned, I'm losing more games, because although taken as rage or Accusing, the comments when said IN GAME, sometimes get people to fix their build/yolo problems.

And, most comments along those lines have no nice way to say them. Or rather, you probably began nicely, and then when they ignore you, feed 0/10, no cs, and then rage at YOU for them doing bad, what's left to be nice about? Your options: Remind them what they ignored (taken as abuse) and possibly salvage a game, or mute them, and they continue to do the same thing, and definitely lose.

Clev3r0n3Apr 26, 20183 votes

You sir are 100% correct, this autoban system punishes people endlessly who try to defend themselves from trolls who multi report them and get them punished and banned, but when you tell the mods about it they always say the same 2 things "you should mute everyone, and the system isn't making you fight back but if you do you're gonna get punished for it". They don't seem to understand that people are human and will react with emotion especially in a heightened tense setting like a competitive game.

AeroWaffleApr 26, 20183 votes

Hostage? You just got out of a 14-day ban. Then in the game you describe you have the above chat and you intentionally feed. And this is after Riot warns you that the next instance of poor behavior could result in a permanent ban.

What exactly were you expecting?

OmegaiskingApr 26, 20181 votes

AND I QUOTE "I DDI NOT INTENTIONALLY FEED I TRIED TO GET KILLS BUT SINCE MY TEAMATES WANTED THE ENEMY ADC FED SO OUR TOP LANER COULD GET FED I HAD NO CHOICHE BUT TO GET KILLED 24/7 SINCE I WAS A TOY TO THEM" :)

AeroWaffleApr 26, 20183 votes

Selling all your items multiple times and buying items almost useless to your role + champion is not "no choice". It's making a clear choice to not put forth any effort except to die.

ForFoxSakesApr 26, 20182 votes

Holy shit.. thats you trying NOT to talk? Thats like 90% more than I every say when I do talk

BigFBearApr 26, 20181 votes

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Holy shit.. thats you trying NOT to talk? Thats like 90% more than I every say when I do talk

well, to be fair: it was a 1-hour-game

deathgod5Apr 26, 20182 votes

Here is your build order from the game: https://i.imgur.com/8FeGkoK.png Here is your death map: https://i.imgur.com/gvxxhxg.png

So people can decide if your story checks out

AzadetheApr 26, 20181 votes

To be fair that's an incomplete set of information, and he was originally building right.

He wasn't good, but the game had 21 kills before 10 minutes.... 2 people dying a minute is amazing considering walk times.

He was 4 of those, so yeah..... he did his part of the feed for sure. He was 1/4 by 10 minutes.

It just seemed like a feed fest for everyone though, and rage is from the eye of the beholder, so even though he was the worst, he probably thought, If Xin hadn't fed Sona at level 4, I would have been okay, etc.

ForFoxSakesApr 26, 20181 votes

He's not building right. No one should EVER open ruunans then boost on top. Auto lose every single trade doing rapid fire tickle damage Pretty apparent thats why he lost lane and continued to feed when he was useless. Still never an excuse to get 20+ deaths. Even 10+ is excessive

AzadetheApr 26, 20181 votes

It's a Twitch. Twitch commonly opens with Runaan's because it allows a massive cloud of ability on his R that penetrates 3 lines instead of 1.

In fact, it's his #1 picked first item. (albiet not best win rate first item)

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Twitch/

deathgod5Apr 28, 20181 votes

Not judging him at all, I post somebodies game info sometimes when it is very clear what game they are talking about. He gave out a lot of details so I added it for people to know the in game information.

I also did it with a sion a while ago.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/qGvBVutA-unfair-suspension?comment=0002

Master Van TachiApr 26, 20181 votes

You didn't kiss the feeder's ass and tell him how happy you are to have him on your team. You're supposed to offer encouragement as a trash bag destroys your game. If you offer the slightest amount of criticism, then you are toxic and deserve to have your valuable account that you spent plenty of money on taken away from you.

OmegaiskingApr 26, 20181 votes

go get held hostage and tell me if you can keep your composure my friend :) tell me how it feels being powerless in a game where its a 10 player match and the enemy team joins in on the ridiculous outrage of a game

VenompawApr 26, 20181 votes

-THIS IS THE POINT WERE THEY START THE KILL TRADING AND NOT ENDING THE GAME Omegaisking: im tirnna have a chill niught Omegaisking: just ff and next game Omegaisking: i dont like playing 30 min games Omegaisking: bot lane is open Omegaisking: and you r torlling Omegaisking: literally cant supp Omegaisking: nah Omegaisking: my supp keeps getting me killed Omegaisking: thats not torlling Omegaisking: thats me wanting to move on Omegaisking: its apointless gmae

Sounds llike the other team had the advantage? How can you end?