Player "Privacy"

x Royal Solo x·Sep 15, 2017·2 votes·636 views

What's up with the privacy in regards to other players reports and honor level?

For example why can't I know if a player I reported got action taken against? Actually knowing if me reporting assholes is actually helping the game or not. Also if someone had slipped through the cracks I would know and follow up on it. Overall making a healthier community.

Honor level, whats up with not being able to see other's honor?

Shouldn't we make bad behavior public so it can confronted more easily?

82 Comments

redniwediSSep 15, 20176 votes

Also if someone had slipped through the cracks** I would know and follow up on it**.

This right here is why they keep it private. It's not your job to follow up on it, and hounding a player about their past is no way to help them reform.

It wouldn't make a healthier community, it would allow for witch hunts.

PresBushDid711Sep 15, 20171 votes

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This right here is why they keep it private. It's not your job to follow up on it, and hounding a player about their past is no way to help them reform.

It wouldn't make a healthier community, it would allow for witch hunts.

Lol, can you imagine the ticket log jam with everyone and their mother asking why so and so didn't get banned even though they reported them.

Edit: That's not even considering when they do mass bans of hundreds, if not thousands of accounts. In an instance the system is going to send out thousands upon thousands of pop ups.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

It wouldn't be anymore of a jam then it already is... a 10 seconds response saying why they choose not to take action isn't a big change. And the outcome for such a small amount of time would easily be worth it.

zPOOPzSep 15, 20171 votes

how do you come up with 10 seconds?

Open your ticket -> read your ticket -> open accused player's account -> REVIEW said player's account (this is the biggest timer) -> type a response back to you........

.....now in the real world, it doesn't just end there...... -> you not being satisfied having that one time some guy flamed/int/afk in your game -> you send in a response arguing that person should be banned -> support had to response to you

Now you multiply that by MILLIONS of support tickets because each person going to have like 20+ people they wanted banned.......right?

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

10 seconds from the reviewer. Saying "hey you were wrong about this and this"

^that took 5 seconds for me.

zPOOPzSep 15, 20171 votes

so you are saying a random support agent can instantly know EXACTLY what's wrong with the CrackerJack account and be able to exactly in detail within 5 seconds?

[sg-miss-fortune]

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

I would assume the reviewer reviewed the game first...

And afterwards give a 5 second response.

PS they already do that, the only difference is that they would say they did or didn't take action. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

zPOOPzSep 15, 20171 votes

no....they do not already do that.... That's what the IFS is for.

There is no "reviewer"

The only time someone review a case is when a judgement/punishment already decided and a support agent discuss the case with the account owner

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

wow if that's true this system is fucked more then i thought

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

I wouldn't "hound" the player. I would let the reviewer of the report know what they missed and discuss with them if I was wrong or right.

Hounding wouldn't be impossible since there is an ignore option. :)

redniwediSSep 15, 20172 votes

And just how would you let the reviewer of the report know? There is nothing in place to allow this, so what you're asking for is not only to have punishment history public, but also a new way for players to contact support about the punishment history of other players.

I honestly see no good coming from this, or at least no good that would outweigh the horrible mess Riot would be getting themselves into.

EvilDustManSep 15, 20171 votes

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I wouldn't "hound" the player. I would let the reviewer of the report know what they missed and discuss with them if I was wrong or right.

But that's not your job and exactly the problem.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

So as players we should take no responsibility for our community and just let things go to shit?

What is the problem then in your eyes?

redniwediSSep 15, 20171 votes

Our job is to send the reports. This is already in place and is pretty clearly defined.

You clearly haven't been around here long, because the current state of the community is miles ahead of where it used to be. It's hard to see progress if you don't look at the past after all.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

It could be better, a lot better

redniwediSSep 15, 20171 votes

You're not using the full system as it is, put the effort in before you pass judgement.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

You mean mute, report and wonder?

redniwediSSep 15, 20171 votes

No, that is not what I mean. The job of a player is to report and move on. If you want a more involved position then go seek one out.

PresBushDid711Sep 15, 20171 votes

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So as players we should take no responsibility for our community and just let things go to shit?

What is the problem then in your eyes?

Your responsibility is to hit the report button in end game and/or send a support ticket.

If you don't think Riot is doing a good enough job you are free to leave or apply for a job on the player behavior team.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

So change is and should never be a possibility? Just accept everything the way it is? sounds fun

While we are at it lets go back to our caves and fight over scraps of food. lol

EvilDustManSep 15, 20171 votes

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So as players we should take no responsibility for our community and just let things go to shit?

What is the problem then in your eyes?

Players can't be objective. The system is objective. It's better that you do the mantra. Mute, Report, Move on. They have been reported, they will get punished if their behavior continues, time to stop thinking about it.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

Players can't know what is right and wrong behavior is what your saying? That is true for some people but not the majority. If someone continues send wrong reports and wastes supports time. Then they should have the feature disabled.

I won't let it go, if nothing happens over time I won't care as much. But totally forgetting about the ideal scenario is not something I would do.

EvilDustManSep 15, 20171 votes

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Players can't know what is right and wrong behavior is what your saying? That is true for some people but not the majority. If someone continues send wrong reports and wastes supports time. Then they should have the feature disabled.

I won't let it go, if nothing happens over time I won't care as much. But totally forgetting about the ideal scenario is not something I would do.

I'd believe you if you didn't lead your statement with you being able to make sure the reviewer punishes the person you report. That's not how the system works. Just because someone was toxic in one game doesn't mean they get reported.

You are also talking about tons of extra time to deal with false reports, spite reports, and people who are too gunho about getting someone else punished right there.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

Its not about the "punishment" its about letting them know what they were doing was wrong and that if it continues they will be banned.

I got a 14-day ban for intentionally feeding in 1 game. My one and only offense other then Queue dodging. So I do agree someone shouldn't be punished for a single offense. Although I'm a decent player 95% of the time, the punishment I received was still enough that I wouldn't intentionally feed again.

My point is the quick punishment can be seen as wrong but its still effective.

EvilDustManSep 15, 20171 votes

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Its not about the "punishment" its about letting them know what they were doing was wrong and that if it continues they will be banned.

I got a 14-day ban for intentionally feeding in 1 game. My one and only offense other then Queue dodging. So I do agree someone shouldn't be punished for a single offense. Although I'm a decent player 95% of the time, the punishment I received was still enough that I wouldn't intentionally feed again.

My point is the quick punishment can be seen as wrong but its still effective.

Feeding, when caught, which isn't easy due to the nature of the game, is never allowed. It should be punished immediately. Toxicity is a different thing and one time cases are allowed by(unless you use hate speech). And players in the moment are not good at catching feeding because they are biased. So, again, the system, which needs to be improved, and will be, should handle it. People can be bad and go 1/14.

ChermorgSep 15, 20171 votes

The question that needs answering is why do you need to know?

You claim to "confront" bad behavior. How are you going to confront bad behavior when you have no method with which to stop/block it?

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

I need to know that I'm not wasting my time reporting assholes my ruining games. And that they are being rehabilitated.

The community would be able to confront bad behavior more. The actual report reviewers would be the ones "stop/blocking it"

ChermorgSep 15, 20171 votes

How can you confront it? It's like if people drive around with a sign on their car saying "I ran a red light before". It does nothing. You can't stop them from doing it again.

Further, Riot make the decisions they make on much more data than you have access to. Your one report is based on one game. Riot has access to all their games, and there's many reasons they may decide not to issue a punishment where you feel one is needed. That's not your place to try and reason with them - you report, and they make the decision.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

it would be confronted by players knowing if a asshole is being taken care of or not, and taking the next step to make sure something is done.

since you like metaphors here is one for you. Imagine seeing a guy hit a person with their car. Now I can call the police and hope something happens, or I can go and get the license plate number and taking it a step farther that way, I can also be a witness and make sure that person doesnt go around hitting more people. Even though hitting people with cars is less likely then being an asshole in a game.

ChermorgSep 15, 20171 votes

Let's use your analogy.

You call the police, who already have the license plate and video evidence of what actually happened. They didn't punish the guy because they saw something different from you. Then you abuse them claiming they are wrong because you know what you saw.

That's what happens in games that punishments are publicised.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

If they have video evidence and what I'm saying is wrong would make me wrong. no arguing that.

But if they missed something in the video I could point it out. Pretty simple right?

ChermorgSep 15, 20171 votes

That's what the comments in the report screen are for. You should use that to point out specific evidence from the preceding game.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

true, but if the reviewer isn't understanding fully, then that's a problem. Even if the reporter is wrong they wouldn't know and will probably continue making the same mistakes in their reports, wasting resources and time for the future reviewers.

PresBushDid711Sep 15, 20172 votes

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I need to know that I'm not wasting my time reporting assholes my ruining games. And that they are being rehabilitated.

The community would be able to confront bad behavior more. The actual report reviewers would be the ones "stop/blocking it"

Also, you think it is a waste of time to click an icon and a box and hit submit to report a player. However, you don't think it wold be a waste of time to open a ticket and discuss with a Riot employee their side vs your side of a players behavior in one particular game..... Sounds right.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

I would get value in my time knowing an asshole was being rehabilitated. I would take another 5 minutes of my time to make sure that happens.

Waste of time was meant more of a phrase. Like I'm running into a brick wall. Not getting anything done etc.

PresBushDid711Sep 15, 20171 votes

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I would get value in my time knowing an asshole was being rehabilitated. I would take another 5 minutes of my time to make sure that happens.

Waste of time was meant more of a phrase. Like I'm running into a brick wall. Not getting anything done etc.

5 mins? You have spent more than 5 mins here arguing just why it should exist. I don't think you are going to settle for 5 mins of a Rioter telling you why they didn't ban a guy.

Likewise, you are going to contact them if a player wasn't punished to tell them he should be punished when by them not punishing him they have already said that player "x" isn't punish worthy yet..... Makes sense.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

This discussion is more for fun than anything, I would only hope riot saw it and actually considered it.

not sure what this means " when by them not punishing him they have already said that player "x" isn't punish worthy yet....."

redniwediSSep 15, 20172 votes

Just look at the other posts in Player Behavior & Moderation. There are plenty of people asking about why they were punished, so you already know there are punishments being dished out.

Now, sometimes your reports will give a popup message saying a punishment was given. This happens when the punishment is given right after your report. You do not, however, need to be informed a week later that someone you reported got punished for something. You really, really don't want that.

You're just a player here, not a moderator, so I either suggest you recognize your position in this community or attempt to get hired by Riot.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

So what your saying is riot shouldn't add a name to the notification. Or that I shouldn't take responsibility for the community?

That's cool if you want to sit and let other people do things for you. I'm not really about that though.

redniwediSSep 15, 20171 votes

I don't need you to put words in my mouth. I'm happy to keep this discussion going, but only if you take my words at face value instead of reading into them.

I've been here since season 1, I've seen the progress that has been made and I've seen the different ways Riot has tried to clean up the community. If you want to take on a more active role there are already ways for you to do so, and they do not involve all of the problems your idea would add.

Don't change a system just because you don't want to follow the proper steps to reach your goal.

PresBushDid711Sep 15, 20171 votes

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I don't need you to put words in my mouth. I'm happy to keep this discussion going, but only if you take my words at face value instead of reading into them.

I've been here since season 1, I've seen the progress that has been made and I've seen the different ways Riot has tried to clean up the community. If you want to take on a more active role there are already ways for you to do so, and they do not involve all of the problems your idea would add.

Don't change a system just because you don't want to follow the proper steps to reach your goal.

To be fair, I thought the tribunal was the correct way of handling things. Though the auto punishes for certain words is nice too.

redniwediSSep 15, 20171 votes

I loved the tribunal, I had over a 90% accuracy rating on it. Unfortunately times change.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

What was a tribunal? i started at the end of S6 so i haven't heard of it.

PresBushDid711Sep 15, 20171 votes

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What was a tribunal? i started at the end of S6 so i haven't heard of it.

What happened with tribunal was, when a player was reported enough a case was created. That case went to the tribunal. The tribunal was on this website and players voted on if the case (made up of 3 to 5 games) constituted punishment, majority rule. If punish was voted on the player was punished based on what tier of punishmental they were on (the voters weren't told what if any tier they were on). The voters, us, could see if the player was punished and if our own opinion matched the majority of the tribunals opinion. I thought it was a great system and a huge mistake for riot to get rid of it.

Edit: to clarify the tribunal got a case, but no summoner name attached. It would have the chat logs and the person whose case it was would have their lines bolded.

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

That actually sounds pretty cool.

PresBushDid711Sep 15, 20171 votes

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That actually sounds pretty cool.

It was a good system, and other then knowing the summoner name, it sounds a lot like what you want. It was the community policing the community. It even kept a running tally of how many days of toxicity you had prevented (i.e. if you voted to punish me, and that agreed with the majority and I got a 14 day ban it say you "prevented 14 days of toxicity)

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

I'm totally down with that system. The only problem I could see is getting a bunch of trolls on your case and fucking you over haha

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

I have no problem following the steps, its just the uncertainty of achieving the goal.

PresBushDid711Sep 15, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chemtech Ionian,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=O6JE1L5Q,comment-id=0002000000030001,timestamp=2017-09-15T19:56:43.518+0000)

So what your saying is riot shouldn't add a name to the notification. Or that I shouldn't take responsibility for the community?

That's cool if you want to sit and let other people do things for you. I'm not really about that though.

No, what I'm saying is you have no concept of system development.

Do you have any idea the strain it would put on the client, that is assuming everyone's clients don't just bug splat, if YOUR system mass sent out thousands upon thousands of pop up notifications at the click of a button?

x Royal Solo xSep 15, 20171 votes

WTF is up with you and the thousands of messages? lol are you saying your report every player in every game? and that all those players will cause you to get a notification? Are you on drugs?