Personally, I've never really liked that Riot bans players for what they say in-game. I don't like the idea that if someone gets offended, the entire world stops for them and caters to their needs; the same thing is wrong with giving everyone a trophy. Anyway, these, permanent chat bans, would still cater to the sensitive while allowing "toxic" players to still play a game that they enjoy. At the end of the day "toxic" players are still players.
PIMPSMOOTH5 votesToxic players aren't wanted by Riot. End of story.
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Raw4 votesToxic players aren't wanted by Riot. End of story.
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Backess2 votesRiot doesn't want toxicity (which can be removed by perm chat ban), but it wants popularity and money which all players bring (even toxic ones). End of story.
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RIP Resonance2 votesRiot doesn't want toxicity (which can be removed by perm chat ban), but it wants popularity and money which all players bring (even toxic ones). End of story.
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lolptwo3 votes"Riot doesn't want toxicity (which can be removed by perm chat ban), but it wants popularity and money which all players bring (even toxic ones). End of story.
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Yeah and they clearly decided. We have enough popularity and money now so lets get rid of all the toxic players now who we don't like.
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Backess1 votes"Yeah and they clearly decided. We have enough popularity and money now so lets get rid of all the toxic players now who we don't like.
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What do you mean get rid? They are just going to buy smurf accounts illegally and continue playing the game. It even increases the chance of those players using third party programs to get an advantage in the game (Scripting etc)!
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PIMPSMOOTH3 votesRiot doesn't want toxicity (which can be removed by perm chat ban), but it wants popularity and money which all players bring (even toxic ones). End of story.
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False. Toxic players do not bring popularity, they ruin the in-game experience of 9 mature players each and every match they play. That's 9 players per game who are now far less likely to spend money on the game, as well as far less likely to recommend the game to family and friends - so they're actually costing Riot infinitely more business than they're worth. End of story.
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I've seen players leave the game because someone treated them poorly (for not being a master at the game, for making a mistake...)
Would Riot rather keep toxic players around that drive off other players (other customers), or get rid of a handful of toxic players themselves?
If a restaurant has one patron that spends 1000$ every week but drives off 3000$ in sales, guess who's getting the attention.
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Yeah and they clearly decided. We have enough popularity and money now so lets get rid of all the toxic players now who we don't like.
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Backess2 votesBy permanently banning chat, they CAN NOT BE TOXIC!! It is not hard to get it!! All your points are saying that Toxic players do not bring popularity, and it is true. But when toxic players are unable to be toxic they count as normal players who bring popularity!!
LukeTheSheppy1 votesBy permanently banning chat, they CAN NOT BE TOXIC!! It is not hard to get it!! All your points are saying that Toxic players do not bring popularity, and it is true. But when toxic players are unable to be toxic they count as normal players who bring popularity!!
Instead of raging in chat, they might vent in even worse ways, like feeding. Riot has already discussed this.
Backess1 votesIf they show toxicity in other ways besides verbal, that's when you perma ban them.
Krigjer2 votesI've seen players leave the game because someone treated them poorly (for not being a master at the game, for making a mistake...)
Would Riot rather keep toxic players around that drive off other players (other customers), or get rid of a handful of toxic players themselves?
If a restaurant has one patron that spends 1000$ every week but drives off 3000$ in sales, guess who's getting the attention.
Hunts and Dips2 votesI spent long time trying to help people understand why this isn't a good idea last night.
These kiddos won't ever get it. They can't comprehend simple logic and are blindly trying to get their perma banned accounts back.
PIMPSMOOTH1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hunts and Dips,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=NxW376r1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-28T17:29:47.102+0000)
I spent long time trying to help people understand why this isn't a good idea last night.
These kiddos won't ever get it. They can't comprehend simple logic and are blindly trying to get their perma banned accounts back.
I noticed and yeah, they keep regurgitating the same horrible logic.
Backess1 votesBoth of you fail terribly to understand and I feel like you just barely start reading before responding. Most of your responses have had no relation to the main problem. Things like: "Be a dick? Get banned. Next." Have no connection to the topic discussed here.
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesI'd preferred Riot banning 80% of their Community for being toxic, than having a company filled with nothing but negativity by toxic players.
So permanent chat ban? No. Don't wanna behave? Then get out of here, this game isn't for you.
Backess1 votes"than having a company filled with nothing but negativity by toxic players."
How is it going to be filled with negativity if they can't be negative since perm chat ban..?
RIP Resonance1 votesIt's not possible to be toxic when your account is permanently chat banned. The overwhelming majority of responses say this is a bad idea, and I need to know how. This is literally a win; win situation. Doesn't this go to show that you white knights are just as bad as the toxic players, wanting to ruin someone's experience of a game they love?
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=RIP Resonance,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=NxW376r1,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-12-29T01:11:56.187+0000)
It's not possible to be toxic when your account is permanently chat banned. The overwhelming majority of responses say this is a bad idea, and I need to know how. This is literally a win; win situation. Doesn't this go to show that you white knights are just as bad as the toxic players, wanting to ruin someone's experience of a game they love?
It is not possible to be toxic in chat when you are chat banned. It is however possible to troll while chat banned which is what more likely to happen. People can't vent in chat so they vent in other ways. Chat bans punish everyone by reducing a teams ability to communicate. I hate even the temporary chat restrictions and would love to see them replaced with shorter bans.
Personally, I don't want to play with these people. It is not so much the things they say, as it is who they are. I am not offended by the words they are saying, they are all basically just indicators that they are a person I don't want to be around. And allowing them to continue playing leaves them taking up slots in my games that could have gone to someone I do want to play with.
If Riot put all chat banned players into their own queue to only play against each other I would be fine with that. But that is referred to as prisoners island and riot has already said they aren't going to do that.
RIP Resonance1 votesIt is not possible to be toxic in chat when you are chat banned. It is however possible to troll while chat banned which is what more likely to happen. People can't vent in chat so they vent in other ways. Chat bans punish everyone by reducing a teams ability to communicate. I hate even the temporary chat restrictions and would love to see them replaced with shorter bans.
Personally, I don't want to play with these people. It is not so much the things they say, as it is who they are. I am not offended by the words they are saying, they are all basically just indicators that they are a person I don't want to be around. And allowing them to continue playing leaves them taking up slots in my games that could have gone to someone I do want to play with.
If Riot put all chat banned players into their own queue to only play against each other I would be fine with that. But that is referred to as prisoners island and riot has already said they aren't going to do that.
"Trolling" doesn't exist. In the summoners code, there is no requirement that you play by the metagame. The only form of trolling is intentionally feeding, which Riot seems not to give a rats ass about. Riot would rather ban someone for saying something offensive and cater to the mentally weak.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=RIP Resonance,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=NxW376r1,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-12-29T04:01:00.807+0000)
"Trolling" doesn't exist. In the summoners code, there is no requirement that you play by the metagame. The only form of trolling is intentionally feeding, which Riot seems not to give a rats ass about. Riot would rather ban someone for saying something offensive and cater to the mentally weak.
http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/
1 Support Your Team
4 Enjoy Yourself, but not at Anyone Else's Expense
The word trolling does not exist in the summoners code, but it is against the ideals laid out in it.
Guy being permanently banned for trolling behaviors and intentional feeding:
To the contrary, we still review a number of cases on a daily basis for acts of trolling. This is especially important because our current toxic chat and intentional feeding detection systems are only as smart as the current live data we have shared with them. By reviewing new cases for behaviors that we're not currently tracking we can feed this data back to the PB Development team who can add it to our current detection methods. A cycle that we expect to go on forever as new trolling behaviors are created and adopted by toxic players.
Your current case wasn't found by our PB detection systems but it was hand reviewed by someone in Player Support. The account was locked because the degree of your behavior and the frequency it was occurring was creating a terrible experience for other players. Because these bans are 100% reviewed manually, a reform card is not sent. You're free to contact Player Support for more details.
In your case, you are correct when you said you didn't chat, but your in game behavior was often much worse then a few toxic words. This wasn't behavior in one or two games, but a traceable pattern that goes back a few months. Intentionally feeding, blowing summoner spells at random times, buying multiple boots, multiple tears, teleporting into base and running back and forth and of course, the non-stop pinging that you would do to your team mates. In fact, when you get really upset it looks like you just decide to ping all the time stopping only for the forced cooldown period and then starting back up again. Even when asked to stop you continue to do it for no real tactical reason. Perhaps to force an early surrender so you can get to the next game since you know that pings are not currently mutable?
Regardless that behavior isn't acceptable and intentionally trolling games and ruining them for others can and will result in your account being locked.
If you want to say trolling and intentional feeding don't get enough attention from riot. I can accept that. They are however, not allowed.
