Riot should fix their punishment system

BlueFire Mark II··15 votes·10,851 views

Waaaay too harsh. Being serious here, too harsh. After a few punishments, i tried to stay tilt proof, chill and nice. But i had a bad day, and one bad game. People called me trash, i told them to shut up. I begin to que for next game. I get notified. I've been suspended. Okay, i get it. I've been toxic a little while ago an- fucking perm ban. By the way, i should mention, two of the punishments were mistakes made by the system. I know because i had talked to a rioter about them. and guess what? Mistakes by the system can't be reversed if you've had last negativity. Wtf!? Isn't the point of going to support to fix mistakes like that? And if you aren't going to fix mistakes made by the system then why is there a support at all? Seriously, it's like you want us to get perm banned. One game shouldn't result in a perm, even if there has been past negativity too.

I feel a perm should be meant only for the huge problems. Like pre-reformes tyler one. For people like me, especially when two of them, confirmed by a rioter, were mistakes, i shouldn't be getting this. I should be getting things like short suspensions, 40 minute wait time, hour wait time, etc. Or even a permanent loss of speaking in chat.

Feel free to write down your ideas below of what riot should do instead of the current punishment system. It's highly unfair.

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ModThe Djinn11 votes

I have never seen a case of a punishment being acknowledged as a mistake and not reverted. That's highly unusual.

World peace plz2 votes

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I have never seen a case of a punishment being acknowledged as a mistake and not reverted. That's highly unusual.

Me neither but is it posible ?

BlueFire Mark II2 votes

Tyler 1. No im half kidding. But still. Riot says it on their support page, if it is a mistake they will fix it.

ModThe Djinn6 votes

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Tyler 1. No im half kidding. But still. Riot says it on their support page, if it is a mistake they will fix it.

Then it seems likely they did not actually consider the punishments mistakes.

BlueFire Mark II2 votes

Excspt they did. The rioter specifically said it.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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Excspt they did. The rioter specifically said it.

I'd consider contacting them again then, as that's highly unusual. It's possible there has been a misunderstanding somewhere.

rujitra2 votes

You misunderstand how the system works.

Players are afforded a certain amount of "forgiven" AFKs for things outside their control like a rare client crash. The Rioter specifically said you used up these "forgiven" AFKs on other games. As such, even though this game would've been forgiven, it pushed you over to a punishment.

It is as if you are the boy who cried wolf. You cried wolf too many times, and then when there actually was a wolf (crash) Riot is not obligated to listen. You used up your "free" AFKs. Then when you needed one you didn't have one. That's your own fault.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

Boy who cried wolf? This was my first time crying to them. And it was confirmed by who i talked to it was a mistake.

rujitra4 votes

It was not the first time you "cried wolf". The times you "cried wolf" are the times you were AFK, left, or crashed in a game and did not get punished for it. If you have a game crashing repeatedly, it's your job to fix the problem before continuing play. There are millions of players who go entire seasons without a single client crash, including myself. Thus, the problem isn't Riot, it's your computer.

Further, they did NOT say it was a mistake. You are blatantly lying when you claim they did. They said the following:

(04:47:10 AM) Smile: I don't think I can in this case, I'm noticing a good amount of games flagged before this issue (04:47:14 AM) Smile: which riled the system up (04:47:20 AM) Smile: because of that, I can't really remove it here

NOWHERE does he say it was placed as a mistake. NOWHERE AT ALL. He does say that you have a history of AFKing, and as such, this is not a "forgiveable" AFK, even if it wasn't your fault.

Please point out to me where you think they said it was a mistake, because I'm at a loss for where you think they did.


AGAIN - you having repetitive problems with the client is NOT Riot's fault, it's your own. Your refusal to even run a repair before continuing to play the game (to fix the problems) shows you don't care about your impact on your team when your computer crashes the game. That is even more justification for those punishments remaining. You have problems you're unwilling to correct - and you ruined multiple games and got punished before you decided to do something about it.

In fact, this is exactly what LeaverBuster is designed to do - make people like you who refuse to fix their crashes do so.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

You are wrong. I had a history of FLAGS not AFK. And you cherry picked one place. So don't you dare say this to me. He said earlier it was a mistske and he would try to remove it, but said that due to past flags, he could not.

rujitra2 votes

Please explain how you were flagged as being AFK if you were not AFK.

He said the following:

(04:40:27 AM) Smile: Awesome, so I'd love to Look into the leaver bsuter for you (and if I can remove it)

and

(04:42:47 AM) Smile: Awesome, so i think I may be able to remove it then, so let me look into everything

Nowhere does he say "it was a mistake" nor "I will remove it". He says only that it sounds like it may be removable.

He then looks into your account, notices that this is not a "one off" (which would be removed - AFK penalties are not issued for one game of AFK, but if the system accidentally issues one, it can be removed) but is one of multiple games in which you were flagged as having been AFK. As such, while he thought based on your INCORRECT AND DECEPTIVE description of your account that he could remove it, upon realizing that you were BEING DECEPTIVE AND LYING TO HIM he realized that it is a valid penalty.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

I DIDN'T FUCKING CRASH REPEATEDLY. It was one time. ONE.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

I'm trying to make a complaint here for them to try and fix what needs fixed, i don't need you telling me that i did something i didn't do and cherry picking my ticket for your benefit of proving me wrong.

rujitra1 votes

Should I open your history and find the games you AFKed in? Because I'm pretty sure if I did, I would easily see games you AFKed in. I've avoided doing that because I want to give you the opportunity to own up to it.

Riot Support would have removed this punishment if you did not have a history of AFKing. Period. Full stop. 100% would've been removed. Thus, the fact they did not remove it, and that they even said there's a history of you being flagged as AFK, means you are lying to both them and us.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

Again, tell my where they said flagged for AFK. And go ahead. I haven't afked intentionally. Or evn at all in a long time except that one.

rujitra2 votes

You were discussing an AFK punishment. Thus, the only flags that matter are AFK/leaving/crashing flags.

I pointed out in another reply to you that Riot has repeatedly confirmed that if the punishment is for AFK, chat toxicity/negativity does not matter.

As such, the flags the support was referring to would be only AFK flags.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes
  1. Even though a rioter gsve me a rundown of the punishment system. And i was the one affected by this as well. So i suggest you shut the hell up as I'm the one who has to deal with it happening. I don't care that you think it is that way, because it is not. I was punished in the same increasing category there. And they did not say which it was flags for, and i have not been reported for afks recently when i had this so, you're argument is going nowhere here as it is invalid. Goodbye.
VPPtrue5 votes

It's INSANELY strict. Unreal. I just started playing again and got a 14 day ban for something so ludicrously trivial I don't even know how to respond. I had no idea riot went full sjw. I don't even know how they keep players around with how annoying making a new account is. - Oh that's right, you can just make a new account. Kind of silly to be so strict in the first place. It's probably best to just never play again.

Imperial Pandaa5 votes

If you got a 14 day ban, then you either have a history of punishments, or said something of Zero Tolerance; such as hate speech or encouraging self harm.

BlueFire Mark II2 votes

Like i have said at least, two of the punishments were mistakes by the system, confirmed by a rioter. They wouldn't reverse them since i had a few punishments in the past which is dumb. It was a mistake. Just revert it. Past had nothing to do with those.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

I wasn't speaking to you. Unless you are secretly VPPTrue. Edit: May I suggest swtiching to Discussion View instead of Chronological. That is probably why there was confusion.

As for your claim that a Rioter admits to that, I tend to not believe claims until evidence is shown via a screenshot.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

If you want a screenshot I'll go to the ticket and get it. Seriously. Do you think I'd have the capacity to lie in tthis situation when I'm just trying to get this fixed?

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

For your link; We can't use your link to see your tickets because it is not our account. A picture site would be the only way.

For the question if you have the capacity to lie. Bluntly, yes. People will always have the capacity to lie, especially to try and get out of trouble. Not trying to be personal against you, just something I've seen a lot of and or have done.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

I underatand your thought of me lying, but with how this situation has gone, if i were to lie it would only make me look worse as it is something that can be proved wrong you know? I'm not that stupid. I will tell the truth here as telling the truth is the only way to help the situation.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Go ahead and copy paste, I will give the benefit of the doubt that you aren't editing. Please do not cherry pick, it would be best to include as much as possible without risking security.

You may not be familiar with PB, but we get people editing chat logs a lot on here and lying about what they did. Because only a Red could prove it otherwise.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

(04:26:18 AM) Smile: Awesome, gonna look through it all (04:26:20 AM) Smile: give me a little bit (04:26:24 AM) BlueFire Mark II: k (04:28:45 AM) Smile: Neato, I've seen where the crash happened (04:28:54 AM) Smile: and I can give you some steps that should prevent it from happening again in the future (04:28:56 AM) Smile: wanna hear em? (04:29:52 AM) BlueFire Mark II: yes! sadly I have to wait out the freakin 20 minutes for 5 games still anyway punishments are almost never reversed. but yes. I would like to hear them (04:30:30 AM) Smile: Alrighty, i'll start listing some STEPS for ya (04:30:36 AM) Smile: firstly, do you run the game as an admin?> (04:31:05 AM) BlueFire Mark II: sometimes, it doesn't always pop up with it. (04:31:33 AM) Smile: neato, let's make it do that permanently (04:31:39 AM) Smile: You can set league to permanently run as administrator by right clicking either the League Client, or your League Client shortcut icons, clicking "Properties" and then going to Compatibility, and then hitting "Run as administrator" apply that and try running the game again. (04:32:02 AM) BlueFire Mark II: alright (04:32:46 AM) BlueFire Mark II: I have also played a quick bit during this chat, and it worked fine, no interruptions that time thankfully. always good to try and prevent it in the future though (04:32:58 AM) Smile: Yeah! Wanna make sure its all good overall (04:33:25 AM) BlueFire Mark II: yup (04:33:31 AM) Smile: That done? (04:33:38 AM) BlueFire Mark II: all done (04:35:08 AM) Smile: Awesome, now onto some more steps (04:35:11 AM) Smile: you do a client repair yet? (04:36:24 AM) BlueFire Mark II: I have not done a client repair, however I don't plan to at the moment since it takes forever and I do want to play a bit today before I have to get off xd. i'll repair it during the night probably (04:37:31 AM) Smile: Oh yeah feel free to! (04:37:36 AM) Smile: That's the other easy step I suggest (04:38:10 AM) BlueFire Mark II: yup, that and im currently IN one of those 20 minute ques xD gotta do something while I wait for them (04:40:27 AM) Smile: Awesome, so I'd love to Look into the leaver bsuter for you (and if I can remove it) (04:40:38 AM) Smile: but I'd need you to do the client repair to finish off all the steps I sent (04:40:44 AM) Smile: just to make sure it wont happen again most likely (04:42:07 AM) BlueFire Mark II: oh thanks very much, if you can remove it I would be veeeery happy. and yes, I will do my best to try to prevent it. not like I want it happening in the first place anyway! :) i'll do the client repair when I can (04:42:47 AM) Smile: Awesome, so i think I may be able to remove it then, so let me look into everything (04:43:30 AM) BlueFire Mark II: alright, take a look into it, remove it if you can, if u can't, then I'll just have to wait it out anyway. (04:47:10 AM) Smile: I don't think I can in this case, I'm noticing a good amount of games flagged before this issue (04:47:14 AM) Smile: which riled the system up (04:47:20 AM) Smile: because of that, I can't really remove it here (04:48:15 AM) BlueFire Mark II: ah that sucks. yeah those were mainly problems too, different problems ive already done some talking about but that's unfortunate (04:48:31 AM) Smile: yeah, sorry :( any other questions? (04:48:40 AM) BlueFire Mark II: nope that's all

With how quick i posted this from your response how could i have edited this lol anyway here you go

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

So, there is some confusion it seems. This chat was about Leaverbuster and LPQ which is a different entity from the IFS.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

This isn't different at all, as it increases the punishment. The punishments are all connected no matter the punishment cause.

Imperial Pandaa6 votes

No, it is quite different.

Leaverbuster doesn't issue bans unless via a manual review. IFS deals with chat restrictions and bans.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

Then tell that to riots system. It's the one that put them as the same punishment increasing list not me

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

It really isn't. Feel free to speak to support to confirm. As it is even trolling/inting follows a seperate punishment path than verbal.

You can receive a two week ban in each category before a perm.

rujitra3 votes
  1. Your game crashed. You left the game. Those punishments were not mistakes. Riot is not at fault for your client install being corrupted to the point you get two different AFK punishments (which you only get for frequent and repetitive AFK behaviors).

  2. AFK punishments are handled with LeaverBuster punishments, which not only do not increase your chance of a chat punishment, but are handled by a completely separate system altogether.

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

I'll copy paste part of it. (04:42:47 AM) Smile: Awesome, so i think I may be able to remove it then, so let me look into everything (04:43:30 AM) BlueFire Mark II: alright, take a look into it, remove it if you can, if u can't, then I'll just have to wait it out anyway. (04:47:10 AM) Smile: I don't think I can in this case, I'm noticing a good amount of games flagged before this issue (04:47:14 AM) Smile: which riled the system up (04:47:20 AM) Smile: because of that, I can't really remove it here (04:48:15 AM) BlueFire Mark II: ah that sucks. yeah those were mainly problems too, different problems ive already done some talking about but that's unfortunate (04:48:31 AM) Smile: yeah, sorry :( any other questions? (04:48:40 AM) BlueFire Mark II: nope that's all

fatherdarius3 votes

[{quoted}](name=BlueFire Mark II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=NNdwU0P9,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T21:14:21.535+0000)

If you want a screenshot I'll go to the ticket and get it. Seriously. Do you think I'd have the capacity to lie in tthis situation when I'm just trying to get this fixed?

"Everybody lies."

-- House, M.D.

BlueFire Mark II2 votes

Well no shit, you take literally. I wouldn't lie here as it is easy to show it is wrong and would only hurt my case. I don't mean i can't literally not lie.

fatherdarius2 votes

Ah, sorry man just trying to lighten the mood and have a little fun! :D

[sg-miss-fortune]

rujitra1 votes

They do revert mistakes. 100%.

VPPtrue1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=NNdwU0P9,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-12-22T21:04:39.433+0000)

If you got a 14 day ban, then you either have a history of punishments, or said something of Zero Tolerance; such as hate speech or encouraging self harm.

I don't have a ton of bans on my account. Maybe 2 or possibly 3 from literal years ago. Since I'm probably just gonna uninstall I'll say what got me banned here. I called my team AFK and raged at them about it because guess what: they were actually afk. Then I finally had enough and called them "%%%%%%s".... Wow it actually blanks that out. Okay...Think developmentally challenged and replace those %. or maybe it was directed toward the other team, either way. I said I was gonna int but guess what: I didn't int at all. I actually tried to win and I'm pretty sure if memory serves we ended up winning. Probably due to me lighting a fire under my team's ass.

Banned for 2 weeks for that. Jesus. That, to me, isn't even ban worthy. Sure it's toxic but come the hell on! That's like elementary school levels of toxic. They should have issued a warning, it would have actually worked, I would have heeded that. If they really just needed to ban me I'd say that's like a day worthy at most. If it were me I'd probably say chat banned for 10 games or something.

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

How recent did you return and how often did youbplay after those punishments though? Punishment tier decay doesn't happen over time, but games. Getting punished and not playing for a year is the same as getting punished and playing again asap.

AugustHeatHaze5 votes

post your chat logs

BlueFire Mark II1 votes

He doesn't need to. He already said he was toxic.

AugustHeatHaze1 votes

is your name VPPtrue? I wasn't talking to you.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Relax, depending on the view mode they are in, they wouldn't be able to tell as there was no quote.

VPPtrue1 votes

Not sure if I want to. They provide ZERO context....which is actually insane.

AugustHeatHaze2 votes

{quoted}

Not sure if I want to. They provide ZERO context....which is actually insane.

well then I have ZERO reason to believe that you were banned unfairly.

VPPtrue1 votes

Are you confusing me with op or something? I literally said exactly what got me banned. The chat logs only post one side of the story. Whatever I'll post it but you're just going to immediately think I'm some toxic blankhole because there is ZERO context. Trust me, I wasn't the only one. Even still, my level of toxicity is so minor compared to other player's conduct. What I said was in response to other player's ridiculous comments. I like how there are no timestamps as well. It seems like I just shotgunned all this out. I can't believe such a big company has a system like this. The blanked out words are the R word.

Game 1 In-Game VPPtrue: coming top soong VPPtrue: it wasnt needed VPPtrue: ur afk VPPtrue: all of you VPPtrue: literally afk VPPtrue: so ez bait VPPtrue: was it? VPPtrue: the easiest VPPtrue: bait VPPtrue: ever? VPPtrue: my team is afk VPPtrue: literally VPPtrue: afk VPPtrue: LITERALLY AFK VPPtrue: AAHAHA VPPtrue: UR AFK VPPtrue: AND SO DUMB VPPtrue: talon is the only smart one VPPtrue: appologize VPPtrue: rn VPPtrue: fine i feed VPPtrue: im trolling my team VPPtrue: stop interfering VPPtrue: how many seconds of your life did you waste typing that shit meme VPPtrue: say what VPPtrue: ? VPPtrue: nice bait VPPtrue: was i right VPPtrue: %%%%%% VPPtrue: the plan was draw attention VPPtrue: and it worked VPPtrue: died and mad typed VPPtrue: classy VPPtrue: 12 year old boy detected VPPtrue: does your mommy know ur up this late VPPtrue: distraction VPPtrue: bet that dragon felt nice VPPtrue: %%%%%%s

AugustHeatHaze3 votes

{quoted}

Are you confusing me with op or something? I literally said exactly what got me banned. The chat logs only post one side of the story. Whatever I'll post it but you're just going to immediately think I'm some toxic blankhole because there is ZERO context. Trust me, I wasn't the only one. Even still, my level of toxicity is so minor compared to other player's conduct. What I said was in response to other player's ridiculous comments. I like how there are no timestamps as well. It seems like I just shotgunned all this out. I can't believe such a big company has a system like this. The blanked out words are the R word.

Game 1 In-Game VPPtrue: coming top soong VPPtrue: it wasnt needed VPPtrue: ur afk VPPtrue: all of you VPPtrue: literally afk VPPtrue: so ez bait VPPtrue: was it? VPPtrue: the easiest VPPtrue: bait VPPtrue: ever? VPPtrue: my team is afk VPPtrue: literally VPPtrue: afk VPPtrue: LITERALLY AFK VPPtrue: AAHAHA VPPtrue: UR AFK VPPtrue: AND SO DUMB VPPtrue: talon is the only smart one VPPtrue: appologize VPPtrue: rn VPPtrue: fine i feed VPPtrue: im trolling my team VPPtrue: stop interfering VPPtrue: how many seconds of your life did you waste typing that shit meme VPPtrue: say what VPPtrue: ? VPPtrue: nice bait VPPtrue: was i right VPPtrue: %%%%%% VPPtrue: the plan was draw attention VPPtrue: and it worked VPPtrue: died and mad typed VPPtrue: classy VPPtrue: 12 year old boy detected VPPtrue: does your mommy know ur up this late VPPtrue: distraction VPPtrue: bet that dragon felt nice VPPtrue: %%%%%%s

wow u totally didn't deserve to get punished for that \s

you were toxic, simply don't be toxic and you wont be banned, its easy, /muteall and communicate via pings. It doesn't matter if you were toxic in response to others, you were still toxic and you were toxic before this incident otherwise you wouldn't have got a 14 day ban, I've been more toxic than that and and I haven't been banned because I started to control it after getting chat restricted....

VPPtrue1 votes

"More toxic than that...."

Exactly.

AugustHeatHaze2 votes

{quoted}

"More toxic than that...."

Exactly.

no, not "exactly", you got banned because you couldn't stop being toxic, I haven't been banned because I could, if you don't want to be permamently banned after your 14 days are up you need to cut all toxicity.

PresBushDid7114 votes

The truth is you got caught in two different punishment systems so you are thinking it is all connected, and it is not. You seem to have received leave buster punishments, which make you wait longer in que. Your ticket seems to be about that. Apprently, something caused you to escalate to an extended wait time. Upon further research, THAT part was a bug, but while investigating saw you have done more then enough in terms of afk and leaving to justify keeping you at that que time tier.

Concurrently, you also had bad behavior. Which goes 10 game chat restriction, 25 game, 14 day ban, perm ban. Included in your 14 day ban is a message that says further negative actions will lead to ban. You decided after that warning to call people a derogatory term for the mentally disabled. This leads to a perm ban.

I mean.. really? You get salty on an online game and decide your best course of action is to use a derogatory term for the most vulnerable members of society?

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