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I don't understand people that wonder why trolls exist in this game

Project omen··3 votes·952 views

When said people, being your own teammates, deliberately challenge you to behave like a toxic person by banning your own pick intent. There are other instances as well, such as going afk while wandering around or farming in the jungle to avoid leaverbuster, inting, spamming pings etc. In those scenarios, you are helpless, there's nothing you can do to stop this. You can't say "Fuck it, this guy is an asshole. I don't want to keep playing with him. I'm outta here" and exit the game like you do with fps games for example. And that's what causes toxic behavior. Which, by the way, follows the player through the rest of his games and ruins his day or mood or whatever. Yet Riot only condemns said behavior and labels all the other things I mentioned as "having a bad game", even though they are doing it on purpose. These people are the ones that set the base for what clearly appears to be a toxic community.

Tl;dr: Most of the time Riot only cares about who is being toxic and nothing more and that does not solve anything.

18 Comments

Fiasco32 votes

What exactly would you like riot to do? They cannot control player behaviour, only moderate it.

Little Starshine2 votes

Referees. I wanna pay monthly fee for a queue that has human live referees in it.

Any sign of bad sportsmanship and toxic behaviour or any afk in game or intentional feedeer?

Break up the game, suspend offenders, save the LP. No win and lose. gg wp

Fiasco31 votes

While it's an interesting idea I suppose, there are a number of issues:

  1. Will people be willing to pay a monthly-fee? How many people will they lose due to it? Do the benefits outweight the costs? Honestly I doubt they would, which wouldn't make it worth it right off the bat.

  2. How do you choose what games get referees? You might pay this "monthly fee" and never get a referee, making it feel like you're paying for nothing.

  3. You can't really break up a game and stop LP gain/loss. That's not a reasonable solution. At best the referees would take note at what is happening, possibly attempt to communicate to the player that their behaviour is not acceptable and continuing will result in punishment, and then dealing punishment to that player if they do not improve. However, you can't stop the game - that is just not feasible/realistic.

For the most part their system already does all these things automatically. If a player's behaviour warrants it, they will trigger a review done by a real person (essentially what you would call a "referee"). All without having to pay a monthly fee.

Unfortunately I don't think you're idea would add much in terms of benefits, and simply add unwanted costs.

Z Statistic1 votes

Oh, yes, because that works so well in football and soccer http://i.imgur.com/6xw2NVv.gif

Meanwhile in hockey... https://media.giphy.com/media/34UovhuRI41sQ/giphy.gif

Also, player behavior is better in hockey than soccer overall.

Kartac Magewrigh1 votes

Actually it works with soccer. The game would be totally different if the flaming party would be frozen to nexus for 2 minutes every time. In American ice hockey it does not work due referee and player culture adoring rules violations. Fights gets more American audience, thus they are allowed. In Europe, ice hockey has way stricter way to go, and there is almost no fights.

WilliTheWit2 votes

I even believe that a monthly subscription fee would get us rid of the troll problem almost completely :-) I would vote for that.

Kartac Magewrigh1 votes

The best solution would be monthly fee normal draft and ranked queues in addition to current ones. As long you pay, you can get into monthly fee modes, but the free to play still attracts new people. As worse, but minimal option, putting ranked games and ranked games only behind monthly fees would be splendid idea. That way most competitive mode would be behind paywall.

Awkward Couch1 votes

In an FPS game you can leave in normal games, but not in ranked games. Trolls exist in every game ever made.

Project omen1 votes

My point still stands, though. This happens in all queues.

Awkward Couch1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Project omen,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LZgvWibU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-12-13T14:31:26.710+0000)

My point still stands, though. This happens in all queues.

Trolls still happen in every game, there's no way you're ever going to get rid of them. That's my point.

Kartac Magewrigh1 votes

You cannot completely get rid of them, but you can make their life as hard as possible. Riot has taken the opposite way, making punishment system perfect abuse tool for trolls. Worst case of this was Adelaine Skyhart. He was not trolling, but team decided he was, as he played off-meta, and his only crime was not do as adc wanted. And ADC players are worst in team work, worst in tactics, and worst in warding. They are most selfish bunch thinking all kills and creeps belong to them and they have no need to change anything, as MMO community goes for "best or nothing in our belief setting". Adelaine was proving the community consensus was wrong. And that is main reason she got reported.

I have seen season after season the threshold where people can understand game tossed up one division. At the moment it is somewhere between Diamond and Challenger. Below that people live with faith-based post-factual rules. They think kills vs. deaths does define feeding. They believe K/D/A is goal, and thus chasing after enemies is more important than getting objectives done. They do believe warding being despised action only done by support, and sadly most cannot grasp RIot has made ti almost impossible for support do the job. But Riot still goes for community in deciding how support role works.

And Riot has taken stance that players are right, and there is no false reports, by not punishing those who falsely reported Adelaine Skyhart, but instead made the stance that punishment of Adelaine was correct even with accusations of those reports was proven false when they reviewed the case. How would anybody see system as just if official line is such? People has argued on forums system works, as they did get away with rules breaking.

Kei1431 votes

Oh look, examples of people getting punished for trolling and there was a post about a guy complaing about leaver buster. Tantram came on and smited him saying that he was circling around the fountain trying to game the system.

Sadly the owner deleted that message already, so I can't link it anymore.

The system is smarter than what alot of people think and gives it credit for.

Morality Coach1 votes

Trolling is only common in bronze. Strive to improve

Morality Coach1 votes

People would just play DOTA 2 if that happened. The game isn't worth a monthly fee.

Kartac Magewrigh1 votes

Trolls make more trolls. That is sad fact. And as there is no real punishment for doing real griefing, there is nothing stopping them. Actually RIot policy said in vulgar form is STFU, and that only benefits the trolling players, and makes people think the punishment system avoidable most of the time. Simple reason for this is the fact not all talk is screened, nor the usual way of checking the chats of reporting players too. I have faced so many people who cannot believe or fear the punishment system.

Too many trolls get without punishment. And no, I am not for harsher punishments, but more effective ones. Tossing people out of ranked for 50 or 100 games would be good idea. Best idea would be forcing people to play support role for 20 or 50 ranked games with limited champion set. "Due your misbehavior, you have to learn to play support for next X games on normal draft before you can come back to ranked".

Even more effective would be public rewarding of victims of punished parties. If Riot would give up their policy "no reimburse", things would change. At the moment griefers know that the victims would only suffer, as RIot has made it clear their part is to take the damage, report, and live with proof Riot system DOES NOT work. It has not made the game less toxic. Even on forums toxicity is so common, people just get the idea Riot does not care.

WilliTheWit1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kartac Magewrigh,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LZgvWibU,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-12-14T02:52:31.452+0000) Tossing people out of ranked for 50 or 100 games would be good idea. Best idea would be forcing people to play support role for 20 or 50 ranked games with limited champion set.

This is brilliant! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] (I'm serious.)

Kartac Magewrigh1 votes

I know it is brilliant, as it would bring back what existed on season 1. WE had to play form 20 to 30 against humans. The game was way less toxic then. And most people tried almost all roles at least for 50 games.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Personally, I just find the mindset difficult to understand.

If the players care about the game that much, they should be trying to win. Why, then, would they intentionally reduce their chances of victory by trolling or raging at teammates?

If someone bans my pick intent, I will just play another champion. I know how to play multiple champions competently in each role so I have plenty of options available.

If someone is intentionally trying to provoke a reaction, I ignore them and continue playing as normal. They want me to react to their provocation, so I just deny them their enjoyment and hope it will bore them enough that they return to normal play (which has happened many times).

I have trouble understanding why some players are so immature and short-sighted as to sabotage themselves and their team when they obviously care about the game and want to win.

IMO, it is a stupid decision with no benefit.

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