Dodging Queue

Fondling Gems·Mar 27, 2016·1 votes·770 views

Now Dodging Queues is annoying. It really is, and I don't like doing it. However sometimes you get the guy who is all like "I am bored so I am just going to feed" before locking in Thresh mid. No one wants to deal with this so the obvious thing to do is dodge. However just for dodging a game once you get a 6 minute wait timer. So I believe everyone should get one dodge a day, or if that seems like too much, have 3 dodges that refresh once a week. This would give people a chance to leave queues that aren't going well without letting people spam dodge or have people dodge just because they got a role they don't like. It would also help when you get those occasional bugs where champ select is black and you can't do anything except dodge.

8 Comments

NeranosMar 29, 20162 votes

I personally welcome the 6 minute break. Like, think about it for a moment; If you dodge a game for a perfectly justified reason, all 10 people are removed from the champ select, and the other 9 are put back in queue. If there was no wait timer, and if you re-joined the queue right away, there's a chance you could be thrown right back in with the same people you just dodged from. Have you ever noticed that when someone else dodges, if you just stay in queue you usually end up with mostly the same team you had before? Whenever there's a dodge, even if I didn't do the dodging, I jump out of queue for at least a couple minutes, just to try and avoid being re-queued with the same person who caused the first dodge (assuming it was a troll or something and not just an afk).

If you dodge and have to wait for 6 minutes, burn a little time with some Youtube videos or maybe grab a quick drink or snack from the kitchen, and hope you get a better team after the queue shuffles itself up a little bit.

Fondling GemsMar 29, 20161 votes

Love your input, I threw in some things on my personal stance in reply to the No Flash No Life's question below. Does this influence your points at all or do you stand by them?

NeranosMar 29, 20161 votes

I stand by what I said, but that might be because I do not dodge very often at all, really. Free dodges would be trivial to me if I only use them once every couple of months, and if I'm taking a break every time I do anyways.

Also, the dodge timers reset in less than a day, as long as you're not dodging excessively. As long as I only dodge when it is truly justified, the penalties for doing so will remain perfectly reasonable. I think I'll be just fine.

EDIT: I realized I didn't really touch on time limits, and this is where my personal habits and opinions may not be a fair comparison to yours or your arguments so I apologize for that. Considering I play League only when I have the ability to do so literally for hours at a time, a 6 minute time-out is nothing. You, or anyone else really, who plays with more strict time limits would be understandably upset if a dodge resulted in not viably being able to play a match at all that day. Personally, this is why I play multiple games, each that demand different investments; if I know I only have an hour, I might just mess around on Minecraft or play some Smash Bros, rather than a game that can take upwards of 45 minutes, like League.

Fondling GemsMar 30, 20161 votes

I also have a couple games that I fall back on, however is is pretty irritating when you come home after a 12 hour school day, check the time, see you have 1:15 to play a league game before you have to leave the house again, get in queue, get a troll, dodge, then have to go play stardew valley when what you really wanted was to do was play a MOBA like league. True, this doesn't happen very often, I also only dodge every couple weeks max, and it is meaningless on the weekends, however it can be very annoying under certain circumstances. But W/E I got some input, which is always interesting. Thanks to you and everyone who posted. Good luck on the Rift!

scazzmanMar 29, 20162 votes

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I personally welcome the 6 minute break. Like, think about it for a moment; If you dodge a game for a perfectly justified reason, all 10 people are removed from the champ select, and the other 9 are put back in queue. If there was no wait timer, and if you re-joined the queue right away, there's a chance you could be thrown right back in with the same people you just dodged from. Have you ever noticed that when someone else dodges, if you just stay in queue you usually end up with mostly the same team you had before? Whenever there's a dodge, even if I didn't do the dodging, I jump out of queue for at least a couple minutes, just to try and avoid being re-queued with the same person who caused the first dodge (assuming it was a troll or something and not just an afk).

If you dodge and have to wait for 6 minutes, burn a little time with some Youtube videos or maybe grab a quick drink or snack from the kitchen, and hope you get a better team after the queue shuffles itself up a little bit.

however you still lose LP. and if you're in series it counts as a loss

NeranosMar 29, 20161 votes

You do have to consider the trade-offs. Yes, there is a LP penalty when playing in ranked, but it is smaller than the LP lost from actually losing a game (at least for me). And a 6 minute time-out is shorter than a 20-30 minute long game that will only make you angry in the end. But I would never dodge a series game, as much as I would want to, and as much as it would suck to sit through a half hour of toxicity (or a lonely muted game). I'll take a low chance of winning a promotion game over a guaranteed one-click loss anytime.

No flash no lifeMar 28, 20161 votes

...only 6 minute? The leniency is real. Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge those cases where we'd rather not play with ppl who straight out break the rules and make others suffer just because they felt like it. However, omitting dodge penalty brings out too much abuse potential as mentioned before:

Non-meta pick (urgot adc gankplank mid)? cya nerds /dodge
adc demands alistar support but support doesn't know how to play alistar and picks janna? dodgerino
support sees renek top zed mid vi junglar and ad adc? #gudteamcomp alt f4
the other team banned my champ? eph this game
We're all happy with our team? Guess what, the other side isn't and they're dodging

By then you'd figure out that no one would ever get to play.

Fondling GemsMar 29, 20161 votes

yes but by severely limiting the number of times you can dodge, and by possibly increasing subsequent dodge timers this would limit Just how much one would want to dodge. When you put out the reasons in more detail I agree that perhaps I was thinking of too many free dodges. One free dodge a week would allow for sudden reasons to leave as well as bugged pick screens and for leaving trolls. Perhaps including that whomever dodges will not be paired with any of the people they were in queue with during their next game would be a plus. (No way just to pick a couple people that you don't want to queue with again) True people can rage at the Urgot mid and leave, but that would just mean that they can do that once a week and basically join a different group of people. I agree that 6 minutes is not that bad. However when you are like me and are very busy, only getting about one hour to play league a day, 6 minutes can start to push you towards the limits of how long a game can take. If I am not in champ select with at least an hour of time I play ARAM instead because games CAN run that long. So in the sense of punishment 6 minutes is a short time, when you are giving yourself 10-15 minutes to get into a queue or no rift then 6 minutes can start to hurt, esp since you would only get that if you just went into champ select and someone was trolling hard on purpose. IDK just putting my points out there. Trying less to convince you and more just to let you, and others, see why I stand where I do. Put the poll up for a reason. :P