Refusal - Making it Clear

JustaNewb··1 votes·287 views

Not sure how to express this - however being as there are individuals in games that have extensive track records of abuse, Inting, negativity, spam... and then they move servers (openly admitted) for the singular purpose to ruin people's days until they are banned again. I will not play with these people. If RIOT cannot be bothered to actually enforce their own rules effectively, I will not sit in a game watching people feed and spam pings and emotes for the next 20+ minutes.

I wont play with it. I will walk away from my keyboard. Report me if you like, but I will not suffer RIOT's failures, and I will not tolerate that sort of bull in a GAME.

EDIT: If you think someone standing at the Nexus is somehow more detrimental than someone feeding an endless stream of Gold and XP to the enemy team... you're too dumb to worry with this post.

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Jo0o4 votes

So, rather than mute somebody pissing you off, you're going to punish the rest of your team (and the enemy players expecting a real match) and just AFK when somebody is toxic towards you?

That's not fighting the problem, that's joining the problem.

JustaNewb1 votes

Muting does not stop them:

A: Inting B: Spaming Emotes C: Following people around spamming voice

Also, so THEM feeding endless streams of gold to the enemy team is better than someone standing at the nexus? Get real.

Jo0o4 votes

Nor does AFKing. Pretty sure you can mute emotes, btw. I've never bothered, because who cares about emotes?

Regardless of Riot's efforts and tools at your disposal, you will occasionally be subjected to trolls. That's the reality of any online game, especially one with a f2p model. If you don't accept that, the correct action to take is to quit altogether. Resolving to simply rage-quit any time you're faced with a troll is short-sighted and unfair to the other players on your team, and will only serve to get yourself punished along with the troll.

Arammus2 votes

well TECHNICALLY its better to troll yourself. like alrdy said, muting does not stop a troll from trolling. but lets say today 90% of the community start to troll. know what? then riot MUST move their lazy ass and do something. they cant look away and say trolling is not a problem.

so better than accepting a troll and let him ruin your day... troll aswell. you wont get in trouble and riot eventually has to start and do something.

ps: no i do not support trolling. but i support riot moving their ass!

JustaNewb1 votes

If it were 'occasional' it would be understandable. When it is 1:3 games?

This is not short sighted, either, as this has taken 8 years to come to fruition in this game for me. I have dealt with a worsening community, through communal acceptance, for 8 solid years. I will not play with it any longer. The sort of behavior displayed is so 'out there' that it should never be accepted, or expected, as how far beyond they go from rule violations.

This is why many game companies have a 'Zero Tolerance' policy for certain things... and they mean and enforce such. You encounter such behavior maybe, MAYBE, once every few months... and 'poof.'

Jo0o5 votes

I sincerely doubt you encounter trolls in a third of your games.

The community doesn't accept trolling, and constantly asks Riot to do a better job of curtailing it. But it's a hard thing to do. Since you're claiming that a third of your games involve trolls, I'm skeptical of your definition of trolling, for starters.

JustaNewb1 votes

I've a set of replays ten miles long. From this month.

Jo0o3 votes

ARAM games, or on a different account? Share with the class.

JustaNewb1 votes

Both. However I'm not here to talk to you, especially as you are slowly adopting what my generation invented in the early 90s as "talking to the noob." Good luck with that, bro, it will take you far in life.

Jo0o4 votes

I honestly don't know what this means, or how to respond to it. Are you implying that I'm too young (or too old?) to carry on a conversation with you?

Chermorg3 votes

You're displaying a really poor attitude here to someone trying to understand your point of view.

The fact of the matter is that I can all but guarantee you do not get trolls in as many games as you think you do. I think you have a tendency to call someone who is either bad or doesn't play the way you want a troll because you want to blame them for the game.

But you won't even try to discuss that here. You know for a fact you're 100% correct and you won't hear anyone else telling you otherwise.

JustaNewb1 votes

No, however it is the 'really poor' attitude that you also just displayed. "You have a problem, therefore you are the problem and it's all you." You've assumed my standpoint, as well as my internal monologue, without any form of input from me on the issue... the mark of this generation.

People that troll - Run down the lane, running in circles around other champions, spamming emotes and then diving into the other team. This is what I consider Trolling.

Whether I magically have bad luck, or the fact that I do not play Ranked (not since season 1), grants a vast more in the area of toxic trolls - which means Enforcement is not being handled universally.

Chermorg3 votes

It is statistically highly unlikely that you get these toxic trolls in a majority of your games. You have your account(s), and remember that we all play the game too. There simply are not as many trolls as people think on this issue.

You are correct I have made some assumptions - I have made them after reading your dismissive and combative replies to Jo0o and others on this thread. You refuse to accept that maybe, just maybe, enforcement is universal and your perception that it isn't is due to confirmation bias and memory bias. The bottom line is that enforcement is universal - it is literally automated for 99% of cases. The computer doesn't sit there and say "hmm who should I enforce today".

It is a well known fact of psychology that when someone experiences a negative experience, they will accentuate the negative aspects of it, to the point of them becoming hyperbole. The person experiencing a loss of a video game (or a team game in real life), will always attempt to place blame on others mentally. I'm not saying you're blaming others here, just that's how the brain works in general. Our brain will take that really unlucky gank mid and the fact that their warding totem was on 5 seconds more cooldown and turn that into the fact that they're trolling. You won't necessarily remember the truth that they were just victim to an unlucky gank. You will remember that they were trolling and that they ran up to the tower and died to both of them 1v2 under their tower. This is not a fault of you, but it is a cognitive bias we need to be aware of when discussing this kind of thing.

Likewise, when a player "runs down the lane" - did they AFK to use the restroom? Did they lag out? Were they ALT-tabbed checking an email from a professor? There are many other explanation other than trolling. The player that runs in circles around other champions? Maybe they wanted to let the other player cs and wait for a fight, but still make their presence known to deter any plays from the enemy. The player spamming emotes then diving? Those two things don't necessarily correlate. The types of behaviors you describe, when they do happen (running down lanes, diving under turrets alone for no reason) are detected and punished quite frequently when they are trolling.

The TLDR with all this is that psychologically speaking, it's much more likely that you are misremembering the games than it is that these players were actually trolling.

JustaNewb1 votes

Fairly said.

Anastaecia2 votes

Does Riot specifically email you all of their ban data every day so you peruse it with your morning coffee? No? Then you don't know what they do and don't do.

This is like saying the police aren't handing out tickets, because people are still speeding all the time. NO. People just like to bend/break the rules to get ahead. Rule/law agencies do what they can, but there will always be...wait for it.....

PEOPLE!

JustaNewb1 votes

The downvoting this walks hand in hand with the same idea I see spouted in game...

"Better to let people act this way in the game than to refuse to cosign their behavior."

All of the noobs1 votes

What exactly is your intention with this post? :)[sg-zephyr]

JustaNewb1 votes

Point out the facts of:

A: RIOT does a slapshod job of rule enforcement. and B: The community would rather simply accept this behavior, than to actually demand it be stopped.

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