Being held hostage : problems with surrender vote

OP Garen Support·Oct 8, 2017·4 votes·605 views

I just had a game where out of 4 man premade 2 of them were afk for over 10 minutes. The premades refused to surrender the 3 vs 5 game. Meanwhile the enemy was verbally abusing us the whole time.

Why is this allowed? Why do we need surrender option if half the team is missing?

This is beyond stupidest thing Riot should have fixed ages ago. If 2 people afks for more then 5 minutes the game should automatically end.

I asked 1 of the premades why we did not surrender. He said he is a not a coward. WTF

At least let people leave the garbage game without receiving punishment for it if 2 people afk long enough.

Scumbags downvoting again before the majority can see the post.

29 Comments

EL HAMSTEROOct 8, 20173 votes

in my opinion the way that you cant leave games when you are having a bad time is the most toxic thing in league of legends.

in any other video game i play if im not having fun i can just turn it off. but LoL im stuck for sometimes 30 more minutes suffering. its not a good feeling.

LauchmelderOct 8, 20171 votes

You get punished for it in CS as well, same goes for Overwatch btw.

EL HAMSTEROOct 8, 20171 votes

i dont play those but do either of them have games that last 40+ mins?

OP Garen SupportOct 8, 20171 votes

As far as I know Overwatch do not last longer then 15-25 minutes. The biggest difference compared to league is that you have way bigger impact on the match and the enemy do not get item advantage just because your team was bad.

LauchmelderOct 8, 20171 votes

My average CS gamelength is 50-60 minutes. The shortest you can get is about 30 minutes (+/- a few), the longest is somewhere around 1.5-2 hours if it's balanced and goes out to the last few seconds every round.

OP Garen SupportOct 8, 20171 votes

Exactly Riot promotes trolling by not fixing the surrender vote system. I never understood that why we cant surr a 2:1 vote when 2 people are already afking. Even the existance of voting when half the team is missing is retarded. You cant even surr a game when 3 people are afking if the last guy is trolling. (1:1 surr vote fails as well)

Toxic community is downvoting my post for some reason before the majority could discuss this problem or Riot notices it.

AbraxisOct 8, 20172 votes

Suck it up or get banned son. Their behaviour is your fault and you need to take responsibility for it. It's all about fostering a healthy community -didn't you know?

x Royal Solo xOct 8, 20172 votes

Being forced to play a game is wrong. Espically when it gets to the point where you just get hunted for sport by the enemy.

Healthy community... the reason the community is so toxic is because of fascist rules and ban system.

OP Garen SupportOct 8, 20171 votes

He is being sarcastic. He means the opposite.

x Royal Solo xOct 8, 20171 votes

Yes I was that's why lol is known for its friendly community. And is ranked #1 for new players.

jobber kibberrrOct 8, 20171 votes

ABRAXIS is being sarcastic..

Jo0oOct 8, 20171 votes

It really took ten minutes to lose a 5v3?

OP Garen SupportOct 8, 20171 votes

Enemy was enjoying it. Thats why they did not end fast.

Jo0oOct 8, 20171 votes

But you can see how that's a very unique situation that might be hard to fit into the surrender system, right?

You had TWO afk players, AND a premade reluctant to surrender, AND an enemy team unwilling to finish the game. That's not a common occurrence at all.

OP Garen SupportOct 8, 20171 votes

So tell me. Do you think it is possible to win 3 vs 5 when the enemy is overfed? This situation is more common then you think. The weirdest thing of all is that even if you vote 2:1 yes , the surrender wont happen because you need 100 % agreement. Why is that? (as long people troll you are forced to be with them?)

Jo0oOct 8, 20171 votes

That's not even remotely what I said.

I said, having multiple AFKs AND an unwillingness to surrender AND an enemy unwilling to finish the game is rare. The vast majority of the time, even if your team is letting you down in every conceivable fashion, at least the enemy will finish the game off.

You can't rationally expect Riot to implement a system that recognizes an incredibly specific case like yours. You stand to gain, at best, a few extra minutes of your life back that you're wasting in a bad match. The other side of that coin is abuse of the surrender/leaver system, which detracts from the game as a whole.

OP Garen SupportOct 8, 20171 votes

It was not even ranked game. The only reason I did not go AFK as well just to be able to report 9 toxic scumbags.

Riot can fix this. The thing is they do not want to fix it for some reason.

ChermorgOct 8, 20171 votes

It's a surrender vote for a reason. Your teammates are permitted to vote yes or no based on their own desire to surrender.

OP Garen SupportOct 8, 20171 votes

Yes give power to trolls when its 3 vs 5. Best design ever.

ChermorgOct 8, 20171 votes

It's a vote.. If they wanted to vote "no" just so "yes" didn't win, that's their prerogative.

You can't legitimately say "you can vote how you want, but if I don't like it you can't vote that way". Then it's not a vote anymore.

OP Garen SupportOct 8, 20171 votes

Thats the problem. Why is there a vote at all? It just promotes toxicity by prolonging the suffering of the victims involved.

Game should end automatically if the team got 2 afkers for more then 10 minutes. Enemy won end of story just punish the afkers.

Guess what criminals should have no right to vote anyway. They are ruining the game for their team. ( they shit on the summoner code)

ChermorgOct 8, 20171 votes

But what if there's a game with 2 afks from a 4 man premade that they know are coming back immediately after? Do you still automatically end if they know they're coming back? That'd be so abuseable too - losing the game? just AFK so there's no chance of a comeback.

OP Garen SupportOct 9, 20171 votes

This was a normal game. Noone looses anything. The afks were afk for 10 minutes.

If its a ranked 5 man premade then they still loose lp. Ranked 4 man is impossible. If 2 people afks from a 3 man premade then the rest of the team should be able to vote yes 2 :1. The current system dont give a damn about afk people votes already so why should it matter if they might come back to a loosing game.

ChermorgOct 9, 20171 votes

It being a normal game does not mean people aren't trying to win still. You can't impose your thoughts or desires on others.

OP Garen SupportOct 9, 20171 votes

By your logic voting should not exist because they impose their will on me.

ChermorgOct 9, 20171 votes

There’s a difference between imposing the will of the majority on the minority, and the will of the minority on the majority.

Voting exists to determine whether the majority of players in the game want to surrender or not. If the majority speaks and says they do not wish to surrender, that’s that. You can’t impose your will on them. However, they are the majority, and so the vote “carries” and that is what happens.

OP Garen SupportOct 9, 20171 votes

So when the vote fails 2 to 1 because that last person vote no he is the minority and the majority is forced to accept it. You need 100 % yes on voting. Even you dont agree with this.

ChermorgOct 9, 20171 votes

Your entire argument is that 2 people should not be able to hold 1 person hostage... and now you're saying that it should require 100% vote to surrender.

I am very confused here as to what your actual argument is.

OP Garen SupportOct 10, 20171 votes

You do not understand what Im saying. The current system (the shit one) requires 3 out of 3 yes votes to surrender. (even when 2 people are AFK)

Forcing someone to your will: you said it yourself it should not be permitted. : "There’s a difference between imposing the will of the majority on the minority, and the will of the minority on the majority." In a vote when its 2 :1 to yes the 2 loose because of that 1 minority. (current system)

You say its ok being forced to play 3 vs 5 just because 1 or 2 of the remaining people decided to troll the surrender vote. (thats what Im arguing against)