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LeaveNotThyBed··2 votes·1,024 views

I'm a bit salty right now since I wrote two long posts and hit the "Create A Discussion" button, deleting the two posts. Feel free to downvote me without reading, it's the usual. But really? Here's a loooong shit post, but tl;dr: Riot's punishments are bullshit and offer no context. Extremely toxic people are frequently left alone, yet someone that simply tries to defend his teammates can get punished. This person is also given no way of defending himself because of NO CONTEXT. Then to top it all off, Riot slaps a rude message when you receive this punishment.

So anyway, I got chat restricted for being "toxic" towards other toxic people. People that come into games with the intention of shit talking everyone all game. People that queue up as a trio and intentionally bash the other poor sods in the game, then report those two at the end of the game for retaliating. People that call you "useless" at least 20 times throughout the game when you're 5-0 with the outer tower destroyed and inner tower close to being destroyed. People that blame everyone else on the team for each and every death they get and flame their support for building poorly in A GAME. People that tell everyone else what to do because they're "smurfs" and they know everything better than you do and you aren't allowed to think for yourself, then get mad when you do well and they feed and they blame you for each of their deaths. People that spend more time flaming the adc that had a bad game than actually playing, and thus losing the game. I seriously got chat restricted for defending teammates from toxics and telling some toxics to f*ck off? Really? I might have been rude, but I am in no way intending to make my teammates that have done nothing wrong other than perhaps have a bad game feel like shit. Yet these people that do have such intentions are walking around like nothing happened, and I get chat restricted? Really Riot? I'm that guy that says "gj" when you do something nice. I'm that guy that says "np doesn't matter" when you blatantly ks me because I'm aware that it's a game and getting 400 gold for the team is better than 300 for me anyway. I'm that guy that says "top heading mid" and gives a SINGLE PING, not twenty, as warning. I'm that guy that can take harassment that's directed at him. I'll just mute you or tell you to stfu and continue playing. But you know what I can't take? I can't fucking stand it when people harass my OTHER teammates all game. Don't call our ADC garbage because you died a stupid fucking death. Don't call mid useless when you're purposefully trying to get mid killed because mid took your fucking jungle camp. Don't say your Soraka is fucking terrible when you're the one feeding.

Why am I the one getting chat restricted? Why does Riot send me a message along with the restriction saying "You're among only 5% of players negative enough to be punished."? That's fucking rude. Why do I only get the option to copy my messages WITHOUT CONTEXT? This offers no way of defending oneself, if there is someone that gets wrongfully punished.

I'd LOVE for a Rioter to post my messages of those 3 games where I was "toxic" and I will offer FULL CONTEXT. I will talk about the flaming Rengar, the troll trio that queues up just to shit talk teammates, the "smurf Graves" that spends all game blaming everyone but himself for each of his mistakes. Then I'm going to demand an explanation as to why I get a chat restriction for DEFENDING THE POSITIVE PLAYERS ON MY TEAM while these other assholes are left alone. Then, as if a Rioter responds he will probably give me some bullshit answer that gets upvoted because "OH EM GEE HE SAID RETARD HE'S TOXIC" I will say something very rude that will most likely warrant a ban on my account. Sorry for being the guy to defend my teammates that are trying their hardest but are having bad games and are now tilting because of this toxic fuck that can't admit he made a mistake. Sorry for being the guy to tell the toxic that's actually doing the worst on the team but blames everyone else that he's "retarded", since that's extremely offensive and instantly deserves a ban regardless of context.

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Ada Wong2 votes

When you get matched with toxic players the only thing you can do is mute them now, and not talk or get into trouble yourself sadly, and in the end Toxic players seem to be winning honestly to a certain point, and I would love to see a red post for this one.

Baiting Toxicity, Lets talk about it?

1.) Baiting Toxicity is the act of not giving a damn about your own account, and or creating, SMURFS, or Alternate accounts with the sole purpose of making other people say toxic things, this can be done in one of two examples as explained below.

. You can use chat and become verbally abusive to start a Riot, sometimes as you know players aren't banned by the automated system on first offense and can go a few more games, the problem with this is what you do is make other players like yourself say "Shut the F***" up as an example or defend their team, and by doing such even though you are a good and respectful player likely you will get banned, suspended, or chat restrictions.

2.) The Second type of toxicity, im going to call it this because I feel it was toxic is in game toxicity and that is Intentionally feeding as the first example, and as the second example of toxicity goes is why im currently banned trying to appeal to Riot.

Lets say two players are playing a bottom lane together, ( I Told the person I was with to play defensively on the turret at champion select in a few games.) Because I was playing on the turret, but you know what the toxic players did, the game starts immediately they rush out and start attacking all the CS shoving them way out of my XP range, and as a result I fed the enemy hard just trying to play the game, and you know what happens because players were doing this type of game-play toxicity, I got a perm-suspension for this.

I was not Intentionally feeding, but I had to put up with these players doing this and Mute them in the game to avoid raging in chat myself, even though on paper the game-play statistics look like I am an Intentional Feeder, and Riot failed to take a look at what these players actually did in the game and why I did poorly, its an issue.

I feel toxicity is always going to be a problem In League, and I think Riot is trying to take a step in the right direction, but somethings that happen are nuts. Like I learned to mute people and not respond to toxicity long time ago, but if players are going to be stubborn, and force me into a role then not listen there just isn't anything I can do if the games go badly, and my only choice would be to pretty much AFK because they are not letting me play the game both are which can be banned for, so I have to take a pick of going AFK and getting banned, or playing and risk feeding hard because some stubborn player doesn't want to play defensively on a defense comp.

Hopefully Riot does understand this and does something about these type of toxicity issues people are bringing into League OF Legends and finding more and more ways to Intentionally get players banned.

Not only this but the sad thing about this type of behavior I had no warnings about Feeding at all not even a 2 week ban prior to the clean slate that Riot did for everyone.

LeaveNotThyBed1 votes

Thank you for the constructive post.

While I disagree with your being unable to prevent the feeding, you bring up good points. Baiting toxicity is something I never really thought of. Muting toxics probably is the best way to avoid getting punished. The problem I have with that though, is that I don't want the game to devolve into a 3v5. I don't want one person making someone else (or multiple others) feel like total ass and tilt. And yeah, I didn't get a warning either on "negative attitude". Well, I did, then shortly after got the "chat restriction" notice. A sudden perm ban without a prior 2 week ban is ridiculous.

Ada Wong1 votes

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Thank you for the constructive post.

While I disagree with your being unable to prevent the feeding, you bring up good points. Baiting toxicity is something I never really thought of. Muting toxics probably is the best way to avoid getting punished. The problem I have with that though, is that I don't want the game to devolve into a 3v5. I don't want one person making someone else (or multiple others) feel like total ass and tilt. And yeah, I didn't get a warning either on "negative attitude". Well, I did, then shortly after got the "chat restriction" notice. A sudden perm ban without a prior 2 week ban is ridiculous.

Thanks, well you are honestly right, I could actually play better, and prevent feeding that is why I played Heimer in my games, and told them to play defensive because of a forced role, I could have avoided feeding the game so badly, and even being banned, but the problem is Riot doesn't seem to want to take a look at the fact I said at champion select in my games I was playing defense on the turret, if this would have been done I could have done so much better.

^ However in 2016 season if Riot actually accepts an appeal so I can play again this won't be a problem because I will never select a bottom lane role unless my friend Duo's with me therefore making it so I won't run into this problem ever I have personally always been bad with most players in a bot lane, and trying to get Riot to understand this I don't think is going to work because they see me as a Intentional Feeder even though I have played for 3+ years and never really been banned for Intentional Feeding.

Yes I understand you don't want it to turn into a 3v5, sadly I have been in these type of games many times, and you know the best part, I just play, I don't care about my score really when a game goes this bad, instead I do my best to carry the game if possible and playing a role that can carry, and sometimes in rare cases we actually won a 3v5 multiple times because we would have two players Feed, then go afk.

The important thing is to try to stay positive, and if you don't rage at others easily, then by all means you can talk to a toxic player in chat I would suppose just don't threaten reports, and ask them nicely to stop being so rude for example and just let them know to play the game, but don't overly talk because then Riot could consider this as not playing the game, over-all just be respectful.

The most major thing I see in many of the Bronze matches I play is the fact that players will rage at others for doing bad, and this honestly doesn't help them, I used to be one of these players myself back in the day who would not so much rage, but would make comments about them feeding in chat, until I learn that this just didn't help anyone or themselves, and then from thousands of games being played I finally understood these players who were doing bad just did bad because either lack of skill or the enemy got ahead not so much Intentional so I do what I can to actually help in games now when that happens.

The problem with Riot now is since the new behavior system I sent them an Email, and told them that they should put in a new system to help prevent feeding, I agree Intentional Feeding is absolutely toxic and its bad, but sometimes players go on a tilt, so lets say a player has a KDA of like 3-10-2 and this happens in like two games in a row, instead of banning the player for intentional feeding, sure players can still report it, but they will get an automated warning after two games of being reported in, and banned from Ranked Play for 24 hours, (not as a punishment) during this time they are free to play Normal Matches, and ARAM and practice while they are on tilt playing badly, and if they are indeed just Intentionally feeding they of course would get punished by Riot doesn't matter who it is myself included, however if the player actually does better they can then go back to ranked and play this gives players a bit of a break from the game, and allows players to not do so badly to the point where Riot thinks players are just feeding for the fun of it.

LeaveNotThyBed1 votes

Thanks again for constructive replies! I suppose I should try to stay positive. I've only won two games where I helped someone feel less bad about doing in lane or something and someone raged at them so I told the rager to screw off. These games are usually lost anyway, so not getting involved and maintaining a positive mentality for myself so that I don't tilt in following games will probably help out. Besides, if I can learn to carry these games where two people are spending more time bickering than playing, it will mean I've really improved as a player! On another note, while that system sounds nice for stopping tilt, it wouldn't do much to stop intentional feeders and also if someone doesn't tilt but simply has a few bad games or runs into very good opponents in these games, he or she will have to play a norm even when he or she is good to go for another ranked match.

Ada Wong1 votes

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Thanks again for constructive replies! I suppose I should try to stay positive. I've only won two games where I helped someone feel less bad about doing in lane or something and someone raged at them so I told the rager to screw off. These games are usually lost anyway, so not getting involved and maintaining a positive mentality for myself so that I don't tilt in following games will probably help out. Besides, if I can learn to carry these games where two people are spending more time bickering than playing, it will mean I've really improved as a player! On another note, while that system sounds nice for stopping tilt, it wouldn't do much to stop intentional feeders and also if someone doesn't tilt but simply has a few bad games or runs into very good opponents in these games, he or she will have to play a norm even when he or she is good to go for another ranked match.

Honestly I don't run into many games with Intentional Feeders, Like honestly I have seen it happen where players go Sion and feed, but I will tell you the places where I see the most (Feeding) not (Intentional Feeding), so here are a few examples of why players need to try their best to stay positive instead of yelling at someone doing bad.

1.) Nasus as a champion is one of the most champions I hate, Lets say someone goes (Teemo) to counter him or (Darius) which is the two most common I see taken besides (Vayne) in bronze, there are multiple problems with this as a champion and this is why Riot keeps Nasus the way he is in games because as a champion he forces different play types and if you refuse to make changes to your play your team can easily lose.

. But lets talk about 1v1 lane phase, as a champion Nasus can get ahead especially if the enemy jungler helps him, and if he gets ahead eventually if you keep fighting him in 1v1's he will kick you out of lane hard.

2.) Another few examples I see players that struggle mostly against these champions Darius Tryndamere Nasus Volibear Garen Riven These are the top champions that I see usually get ahead on a Top Lane, and then players start screaming at the top lane player for feeding and honestly it makes them do worse. Just because a player who is unskilled or the enemy gets ahead and they go 0-10 doesn't mean they are feeding top lane it happens to all of us sometimes (now if you got a good jungler, and team who actually syncs around each-other) you can easily help each-other out the problem with this is its rare to get a team like this who will play around each-other and think about how their champion actually fits into key players.

One of the good ways to actually help your team is if you are a good Lux player I love this champion one of my favorites from watching how pro players played her, she can even gank other friendlies from halfway across the map if you manage to push the enemy out of your lane you can just fire an Ult on people trying to recall in other lanes guessing where they usually try to recall or damage enemies therefore helping your team that is having a problem. (CDR Lux) is like a 30 second ultimate most people rush magic pen I rush CDR for a reason.

Nidalee Is another one of my favorite champions more of a duelist, the problem with her however is if you go AD nidalee top I generally get fed off the enemy most of the time doing this however later game she ends up becoming a feeder and a Liability in group fights if your entire team doesn't pick proper champions, or the game is straight where everyone has full builds your team doesn't know what to do in a group fight.

However if you play her AP mid, you can easily roam, gank other lanes, and even late game if the enemy tries to force objectives or gets baited into fighting in the jungle that is your territory to right in, because fighting in lane with a nidalee and pro players mid, plus a jungler who doesn't know what to do can be hard but in the jungle is where your team can change a fight because you should be able to land like every spear easily.

She is also played as a jungler as well, but personally I wouldn't do this because late game it can be very bad, and personally I find playing as her even though I love her as a champion in Bronze isn't always the way to go because its not really possible to hard carry all the time.

Also Nidalee becomes a liability if faced against someone who is really good with Katarina and people play around her.

Do you honestly know how I got Silver 1 in 2014 season I think it was, I basically got into silver and almost hit gold but afk trolls ruined my promos simply by playing off meta, yes thats right Katarina Jungle Katarina Support, Katarina Mid, and not even kidding while everyone complains because no one was picking Tanks, or knock-ups at the time this strategy absolutely was beast I went crazy just getting fed off everyone, of course there are other champions now that can do similiar I just prefer this champion for my assassins compared to Akali

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luiRRziFoKw

^ Watch that for laughs :3

http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/Ada%20Wong/stats/season2014 <<<--- Oh yeah I am an intentional feeder for sure makes me think to why all the players I feed off of like a vampire didn't get punished.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Getting toxic back to a person because they were toxic first doesn't help. Ever. But it will harm you and the teammates you aren't even targeting nearly every time.

LeaveNotThyBed1 votes

I do not act like a little bitch instantly. I fucking ask them to stop "Will you stop being toxic please?" "no" That's when I freak the fuck out. "Graves stop blaming your teammates" "stfu noob" That's when I freak the fuck out. "rengar stfu and play" "fuck you, lucian is so useless" That's when I freak the fuck out. And you obviously didn't read the entire fucking post. EDIT: Coincidentally, the Lucian that the Rengar was mad at honored me post-game. We had a friendly discussion, while Rengar whined then left. Coincidentally, the support that was thrashed by the Graves honored me and we also had a friendly discussion. Don't talk shit without context. And don't say "it will never help", besides, at that point the game's already lost because the toxics are more intent on being toxic than winning and the others are fucking tilted, myself included.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Ya, no, I read your rant. It doesn't matter how bad the other person acts it does not justify you doing the same thing.

You even said it again yourself; That's when I freak the fuck out.

Just mute them and report them. You are not helping by freaking out. Just sit there right now and think about it. Who is benefitting from the game going from 1 toxic player to 2 having an argument? They aren't going to learn any manners just because you lose yours. On the contrary, they will get worse. This might make you feel better at that moment thinking "Oh I showed him!" but you didn't show him anything, and you're making a bad experience worse for the other bystanders.

LeaveNotThyBed1 votes

If I have to mute them, the damage has probably been done. Furthermore, I don't freak out when they are mad at me. I just ignore them if they are. It's when they're mad at teammates, so what good is muting them gonna do? My positive teammate is still gonna gradually get more angry, he will tilt more and more, and nothing will come from this. There's no "I showed him!" either. Seriously, there's no context. I'm patient for 20 minutes. And I don't know about you, but I think I'd rather have someone stick up for me getting thrashed by an asshole even if it turns into an argument than simply be treated like shit all game and have nobody say a thing. You're going off your own opinion, I'm going off mine. And I won't say mine is wrong because it's an opinion. I'm going to stick up for my teammate that is getting thrashed. I'm going to tell him he's fine. I'm going to make it clear that he isn't the problem, it's the toxicity of the one thrashing him. I also don't understand how I'm making the bad experience worse if they're coming to me in the post-game chat and saying "Sorry bout that, x was just really toxic".

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

If I have to mute them, the damage has probably been done.

Ya, that's why you report them and they get punished. Riot does the punishing, not you.

You also seem to have refused to address the most important fact that I brought up; you are harming other people in the game by doing this. That's why you get punished too.

Your teammate doesn't need you to defend them either. They need to mute and report if they have a problem too.

LeaveNotThyBed1 votes

Which is why many people are upset at the fact (not necessarily on League's official boards, by the way!) that they never or rarely get "This player has been punished" notices right? I've gotten one such notice. One. Refusing to bring up the fact? What are you talking about? I'm not "harming" anyone but the toxic himself. Obviously that isn't right either, but if he refuses to admit his own damn mistakes and goes on a tangent about his trash teammates he really needs someone to tell him what's actually going on. And yes, my teammate needs to mute them. If he doesn't? I'm simply going to let the game devolve into a 3v5? Thanks, but no thanks. I'm going to take my chances with the 4v5.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I'm not "harming" anyone but the toxic himself.

Do you seriously believe this? You actually enjoy when two people are having a toxic argument in your matches? That's some seriously denial. You are wrong and your chat restriction is going to escalate into a ban if you can't figure it out soon.

LeaveNotThyBed1 votes

Sorry, but the arguments aren't blatant "FUCK YOU" "YOU'RE A %%%". Again, you have no context. It's mostly "stfu and play, you just missed a good oppurtunity to get back in the game for us" "your deaths are your own damn fault stop blaming him you're fucking dumb" "are you fucking serious? all you've done is bitch non-stop, you're the fucking problem not him" "/all Please report" "it isn't the support's build that made you feed" "legendary smurf here, showing us 'useless feeders' how to play while 2-5" Shit like that. I also dislike your condescending attitude of "I'm right, you're wrong", it reminds me of the legendary smurf Graves I had. And in a year and a half of playing this is the first time I've been punished. Escalate into a ban my ass, if I just play with the attitude of an asshole aka "Fuck my teammates, ignoring them all" I can play another 100 games without communicating and be far away from getting another "punishment". And no, I don't enjoy having two people argue. I do enjoy, however, seeing someone that's been an asshole all game be told off by someone else whom is performing better than the asshole that he's a prick and needs to stfu.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I know I have no context, I'm generalizing to give you an idea of why it's wrong to get toxic "defending" yourself or others; it's not my opinion, it's Riot's policy and the general consensus of the League community. I'm getting condescending because your replies show you don't give a shit about the other victims you are creating by exacerbating the problem.

LeaveNotThyBed1 votes

I do care about my teammates. It is precisely because I actually care about my teammates and don't want them to tilt super hard that I try to defend them. Where the hell is your logic coming from? Besides, you seem to be missing the point of all this. I'm not saying I don't deserve the chat restriction, I'm saying there's no fucking reason for me to be getting one when these people that go around intentionally shitting on other people's moods are still playing. And personally, I don't see what's wrong with telling someone that refuses to stop being an asshole even after asked that he is indeed an asshole. And again, there were no other "victims". Toxic trio. Premade with friend. I defend my friend. Toxic smurf Graves. Premade with friend. I defend everyone that gets bashed. Support has friendly conversation after game, jg was too busy disconnecting and nobody blamed him for us losing, so he didn't really care, premade friend didn't care. Toxic jg. I'm with two friends. Everyone's fine, adc dies because jg gank fails, jg instantly blames adc. Time goes on, I tell reng to stfu and play, Luc essentially thanks me for defending him post-game, premade friends didn't care. Who did I harm? Please, answer this. Who? The disconnecting Gragas that didn't even manage to stay in the game for 5 minutes at a time? I told him it was fine and we didn't mind his dcing. The Lucian that thanked me? I guess that must be it. Oh, it must be my premade friends that continue to ask me to play with them, the ones I have been playing with since I was a pre-30.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I do care about my teammates. It is precisely because I actually care about my teammates and don't want them to tilt super hard that I try to defend them.

Who is defending them from you?

Oh that's right, RIOT! That's why you got a chat restriction.

LeaveNotThyBed1 votes

I'm bashing my friendly teammates. K. I hope you don't mind this, but I'm blocking you on my League client.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I didn't say you're bashing them. Your argument is unintentionally harmful to them.

Imagine you're at dinner with the family. One person says something rude. Ok, what an ass. Then another person starts screaming at the top of their lungs in defense, and the first person starts screaming back. Now everybody is having a horrible time because they couldn't just let it go.

That is what you're doing. And I don't care if you block me, that doesn't do anything but auto mute and prevent me from friend requesting. I don't friend request toxic players.

LeaveNotThyBed1 votes
  1. Nice over-exaggerated analogy.
  2. Please stop talking on this thread, move on.
  3. I have a teamwork ribbon, do you? You seem to be concrete that things happened how you envisioned them and can't possibly allow for your own thoughts to be wrong. Go away.
Deep Terror Nami1 votes

You keep bothering me, yet tell me to stop talking? The analogy is not over exaggerated, getting into a toxic argument make the experience worse for everybody.

You have a ribbon? That's nice. You also have a chat restriction.

If you aren't open to a discussion then do not make a post and stop replying to comments.

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