Is this acceptable for honor 5s?

Kimuto·Nov 21, 2017·1 votes·684 views

I faced a Annie player on normal and she got honor 5 but man, the BMs is tilting everyone on the team. She does the "?" or ask "What are you doing?" every time we made an mistake and it just not sportsmanship. She didn't say anything like "You guys suck, terrible, bla bla bla" none of that but she is clearly taunting us in a very negative way. I don't think she deserves a punishment but is this really acceptable for a honor 5 player? Muted her but when the game ended, we can't mute Annie at the lobby... she saids "Not sure what were you guys doing this game xD" than leaves. It's not a fun experience... As long as you're not saying any hateful words like "kill yourself, you suck, you're so bad" than you're safe from bming this heavily?

24 Comments

foristNov 21, 20174 votes

This is a video game, not a safe space. If question marks or people asking what you are doing trigger you, then you should probably find something else to do or play with a 5 man if you can't handle skeptical team mates. I honestly don't know what riot's policy on it is though. They might agree with you and ban this kind of thing, who knows?

KimutoNov 21, 20171 votes

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This is a video game, not a safe space. If question marks or people asking what you are doing trigger you, then you should probably find something else to do or play with a 5 man if you can't handle skeptical team mates. I honestly don't know what riot's policy on it is though. They might agree with you and ban this kind of thing, who knows?

Eh, problem is LoL is my most played games. I just don't get bored of it. I do but get back to it in a few days,weeks or just one month. I just love the game. 5 man? Eh, hardly... don't have any friends xD

foristNov 21, 20171 votes

I feel you, but since you are the one offended by relatively harmless chat the burden is on you to find team mates who will cater to your standards, since they might be a little higher than most of the community.

KVbqbFsC8eNov 21, 20172 votes

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This is a video game, not a safe space.

Riot disagrees.

foristNov 21, 20172 votes

One of my biggest problems with this game atm. :(

KarunamonNov 21, 20171 votes

I personally have a bigger problem with people calling others "%%%got scripters" and telling them to kill themselves only receiving 2 week bans instead of immediate permas, but that's just me.

Why on earth would question mark spam not be bannable if used in a harassing way? "?" means "enemy missing" not a passive-aggressive "wtf" as certain people have repurposed it to be.

foristNov 22, 20171 votes

Can you please refrain from personal attacks on me? It doesn't have any relevance to this topic. Also, a question mark is a question mark. Either context matters or it doesn't, and riot has to decide which they prefer. They can't just change their policy whenever its convenient for them.

KarunamonNov 22, 20171 votes

That was context for anyone who may be curious what your thoughts on "safe spaces" are rooted in, not a personal attack. Someone days into a two week ban for really nasty chat (and apparently: unrepentant) has views on what's acceptable that are out of line with the greater community.

That is a simple fact, not an attack on you.

Furthermore:

They can't just change their policy whenever its convenient for them.

It's a private company. They could come out tomorrow and say that failing to say "GG" after a game is a bannable offense, your recourse being nil.

foristNov 22, 20171 votes

Are you kidding me? I'm trying to be civil here, but are you really going to use an ad hominem fallacy to disprove my point? You have no right to judge other people's views as acceptable or not. What I did in a game that resulted in my ban has literally nothing to do with my this issue. Honestly, people like you make me sick. You see someone has made a mistake and then every-time they post something you don't agree with you attack them as if you are some kind of saint that must cleanse all opinions that aren't your own, because they are obviously wrong. Seriously, people on here acting as if they have never ever said something they regret in their entire lives, utterly ridiculous. Leave me alone!!

Also, yes riot is a private company so they can do whatever they want, it would just be very hypocritical of them to selectively choose when context matters or not.

KarunamonNov 22, 20171 votes

It has everything to do with this issue. Your biggest problem with Riot is that you think they swing the hammer way too easily. My biggest problem with Riot is that I think they don't swing it near hard enough.

We both have the same problem with the behavior system, just in different directions.

I didn't just come up with that stance out of the blue as some slight against you - you can look at my post history.

Seriously, people on here acting as if they have never ever said something they regret in their entire lives, utterly ridiculous. Leave me alone!!

I am fully within my rights to point out your own damn words, and as someone that takes suicide encouragement and homophobia pretty fucking seriously for various reasons, I'd encourage you to put on your sunglasses and deal with it.

foristNov 22, 20171 votes

You are welcome to make such comments without attacking my character. It just weakens your own argument. But you are right, I can't control what you have to say, I just get fed up with people trying to dismiss what I have to say solely on the basis that they don't like me. I get it, you think I'm some kind of trash human being, because I flew off the handle that game. Condemning me is well withing your rights, but I will not let you use a different situation with a different context to prove your point, its so illogical I'm cringing as I type this statement rn.

KarunamonNov 22, 20171 votes

I don't think you're "some kind of trash human being" and never said or even implied as much, and I apologize if that's what I was conveying.

I would just rather you play a different game with a community that is more accepting of that kind of talk (which is most of them), rather than try to change this one into the same. The fact that sportsmanship is expected and (more or less successfully) enforced here is one of my favorite things about League. I value that, and I will speak up in defense of that.

foristNov 22, 20171 votes

Ok, thank you for being a little more level-headed with this comment. But, seriously you shouldn't assume that I don't value sportsmanship, just because I think that this company is taking the game in a direction where everyone is a mindless positive zombie. Banter was a healthy part of sports for me when I was growing up, and I hate to see this game remove it entirely just to spare everyone's feelings.

Either way, the way you attack my character to devalue my argument is what annoys me the most, find a way to get your point across without attacking others. If you do have to attack other points of view, please don't base your reasoning on character fallacies. It's the same as disregarding what a bronze player has to say, simply because he is low elo.

Oh, and I get it. You think that that one game I got banned for is indicative of how I normally conduct myself in this game. I'll let you know, that it's not. I was upset and did something very out of character. If that's all it takes for your mind to justify someone never playing the game then, that's your business, but I'm not gonna just quit playing because I messed up, that's not how things work in video games and real life. If you really are passionate about something, you stick with it and achieve something worthwhile to you, no matter how many people tell you that you don't deserve it.

Ok, rant over. I feel bad that you had to read all this, but I wanted to make my point clear.

KarunamonNov 22, 20171 votes

Either way, the way you attack my character to devalue my argument is what annoys me the most, find a way to get your point across without attacking others

For the twelfth time, your character is not in question here. Your actions, and how they relate to the topic under discussion, are. Just as I wouldn't take car advice from someone with a broken down junker, I wouldn't take behavior advice from someone who just got a very serious ban. That's literally all I ever said, and if you can't differentiate that and an attack on your character, welp, sorry, but that's on you.

It's the same as disregarding what a bronze player has to say, simply because he is low elo.

But that's the same thing - anything a bronze player has to say on topics like itemization, game balance, and so forth, is at the very least highly questionable. People are in bronze for a reason - they suck at the game. Bronze is the absolute lowest rank level of this game. Newest of the new. Someone there lacks the knowledge to be making any kind of informed commentary. They probably have less than 200 games under their belt. It's just not enough for someone to be giving advice.

(This is why I as a unranked-but-likely-low-silver-or-high-bronze-if-op-gg-is-right generally stay out of balance discussions)

foristNov 23, 20171 votes

Look bud, its perfectly fine to for you personally to take a person's actions and character into question when forming your own opinion, but to disregard the validity of the statement based on the person who made it is ad hominem. That's all there is to it. It is called attack on character, because you are basing your conclusion on your opinion of the person speaking instead of the actual statement. My character and my actions are irrelevant when judging the validity of a statement I make. Sorry I can't explain this in a better way, but I only took 2 logic courses in university, and majored in psychology not philosophy. Still, I would advise you to take one if you can, because I feel you and most people in general would really benefit from it.

TaeseukNov 21, 20172 votes

The problem is that even if she's creating a negative environment for you she might actually be a good player, if she makes good plays and choices chances are she will get honored as long as she didn't say/do anything to annoy all the members of her team. This will mean she is classed as honor 5 because people don't always place their honor on people based on what they said in chat but how they play in game.

Depending on how bad they posted these things and how negative they were you can actually report them for a negative attitude.

ZerdunNov 21, 20171 votes

Asking why you are doing things may be because you are in fact doing something that isn't smart. Watch that match and look for things that happened. I thought this once about a match but when i rewatched it i noticed that i was in fact doing some stupid things like one time i chased a player into the enemy jungle because i was greedy while top was mia. It was not a wise decision.

Don't assume that it's automatically BM'ing because they are questioning what you're doing. The ? crap at most can be considered passive aggressiveness and we know how much riot likes that.

KimutoNov 21, 20171 votes

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Asking why you are doing things may be because you are in fact doing something that isn't smart.

Like 20 times? :S She taunt us around that much in this game. Not smart plays happens extremely often tho but our mistakes isn't like very high stupidity. It's common mistakes like fighting in a small mini teamfight and unexpectedly got outnumbered when the other of their teammates joins in while our rest of the teammate is few seconds late to join in. Stuff like that happens too often, hardly a dumb mistake. Not automatic BMing but it really makes my teammates flaming each other. The team is gold and platinum boarders on my side. We have at least decent decision makings with champions we're not main with. I just don't accept the fact that someone like that is worthy of a honor 5. I don't BM like that, I don't flame my teammates and all but this Annie got an honor 5... It just does not make sense. Don't have to believe that I'm not the type of guy with positive behavior in every game but there gotta be a friend of yours that is like that without honor 5.

ZerdunNov 21, 20173 votes

I fail to understand what being in gold/platinum has to do with making mistakes. Being in these ranks does not make you more of a robot in comparison to those in lesser ranks or anything. If you went for something and got a result that was less than desired then it was obviously a mistake. That simple, if your main objective when playing LoL is to win then you can classify every suboptimal play as a mistake. That does not mean that mistakes are unrecoverable either.

If it really annoys you you can always mute them too tbh.

I'll also be frank about what the 'honor system' really is too. It isn't really about honor. It builds up based on how many games you play. Not to mention that the biggest thing it has going for it is that it is a rewards program to incentivize players to curb most of the worse player behaviors (racial slurs, flaming, ect).

It can't help with issues with Int feeding and it won't help vs some passive aggressiveness. Riot has other tools available to help with those problems (Report system and mute/pingmute)

Zombie GerbilNov 21, 20171 votes

It really depends on what she says. Tilting is a tactic for some, but not part of the Summoner's Code. It says "Enjoy the game, but not at their expense". If it's an ongoing thing and it's ruining their experience and finds it toxic, then report them for a review. I for one have never reported them for doing so, I normally mute them as soon as I find it unnecessary. I simply don't give them that advantage. Like I said, it really depends on what they say.

ŻügżwängNov 21, 20171 votes

It is acceptable. If you make a mistake, they have a right to question it, correct it for later on. "Great job guys" is a comment deserved for appropriate plays. "stop diving what are you doing" means exactly that. Correct the mistakes and improve.

If I make a bad play, I don't expect my teammates to coddle me, and try in the future to avoid the same mistakes.

KimutoNov 21, 20171 votes

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It is acceptable. If you make a mistake, they have a right to question it, correct it for later on. "Great job guys" is a comment deserved for appropriate plays. "stop diving what are you doing" means exactly that. Correct the mistakes and improve.

If I make a bad play, I don't expect my teammates to coddle me, and try in the future to avoid the same mistakes.

She spams it. that's a whole different story. A bunch of "?" is clearly not trying to question. Once or twice, sure but countless times is not.

KrushakArrankissNov 21, 20171 votes

The ? mark spam can be considered odd cause I know people like to ping/spam the MIA thing on purpose when you mess up or called a MIA but they didn't notice. Hell even in chat. shrugs And just because it's a video game Doom Bot Talon, doesn't mean squat.

foristNov 22, 20171 votes

People in our generation need to understand that no one is obligated to be nice to you and consider your feelings. Good people will, but not everyone is a good person on here, just like in real life. Being inconsiderate is not ban-worthy.