Would you report the Lucian or not? He died a lot and did very little damage. He built full ap.
So I didn't report him, I was just wondering if I should based on the fact that lucian's ad build is superior in every meaningful way.
Emerald Fang4 votesThat's trolling, so yes. Ranked is not the place to try new builds and if someone is doing it then it was reportable.
ImTheSideKick2 voteswell off building is not trolling, if he was int then yes, but playing safe and getting dived due to snow ball Is not, guess it depends on if he was trying or not
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesNot really trying but there's no easy way to prove it. You know those games where your teammate dies a bunch and gives up after that but still goes through the motions?
KVbqbFsC8e4 votesNah, although its lame to lose a game because of that, off-meta builds aren't reportable and any reports received from that wouldn't do anything anyway.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesThis is what I figured. However, it's very clear that lucian does more damage and survives better with the same resources if he builds ad. I mean ap lucian's damage is frankly pathetic. It's worse than ap ashe's damage. Aren't off meta builds supposed to have a reason behind them?
Edit: Doesn't a very obviously sub-optimal build mean he's not trying to win? And I'm not the one who downvoted you in contrast, I agree with you.
This Is Your Dad3 votesHis match history would indicate whether it is reportable. If he did it before and was successful, no. If it's his first time doing it.... probably reportable but he wouldn't be punished unless he did it more than once with very little success. Ironically playing sub-optimally is totally excusable, otherwise there would only be one available build path for every champion that would be deemed optimal and the others would be considered as hurting your chances of winning. He does have ap scaling in his kit.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesSuboptimal is one way to put it.
KORGtuners2 votesI don't report anyone. So no. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Jo0o2 votesJesus, people. Off-meta builds aren't reportable unless they're used explicitly to throw the game.
AP Lucian has been a thing before. Not sure how good it is now, but his ult scales with AP in such a way that an AP build can/could certainly 1-shot somebody with just his ult.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesNot without attack speed. The scaling for ap is 10%, you'd need attack speed for meaningful damage.
VoidStaresBack1 votesNow you're just asking for someone to run Nashor's/Guinsoo's AP Lucian.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesI'd appreciate if that lucian put some thought into the build and actually did this haha
VoidStaresBack1 votesOn another note, the AS scaling on it was removed back in 5.22, so building AS is not needed for an AP build, which would primarily rely on damage from the culling and ardent blaze (which has a 90% AP ratio). The Culling now fires a set amount of shots based on rank over three seconds regardless of Lucian's AS.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesWow thanks for correcting me! :)
Problem still remains, building ap does pathetic damage cimparted to ad. If it offered something his ad build doesn't then I could admit it's an off-meta build that work.
Does it offer anything his ad build doesn't?
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesThis is what I figured. However, it's very clear that lucian does more damage and survives better with the same resources if he builds ad. I mean ap lucian's damage is frankly pathetic. It's worse than ap ashe's damage. Aren't off meta builds supposed to have a reason behind them?
Xidphel2 votesIt's because he's black, isn't it?
khorney1 votesnope
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesWhy not? Doesn't a very obviously sub-optimal build mean he's not trying to win?
khorney1 voteshe may be trying, i mean im permabanned and no i was not toxic nor intent feeding, merely pointing out msitakes afetr people cussed me out for me playign supp and talkign crap to the supp. but thatch besides the point, the point is league is not a team game and with that you shouldnt rely on 1 person to be carrying you. there is a difference between heroes of the storm and league. Heroes is 100% a team game, league is not really a team game more of a mmo coopish game. so what if he went ap luc mid you cant report for that does it suck yes, like me for instance if i supp i would always lose with a ez adc always why becuase i hate ez adc with a passion among other things, its boring as hell and they never follow up. do i find it stupid why yes i do do people in the game hate supp why yes they do
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesMan, I wish I could read your comment. When I was newer to boards I would have tried but now I'm jaded and lazy. You need to fix capitalization, punctuation, and spelling before I read that panoptic stew of errors.
Deep Terror Nami1 votesUnfortunately, after the Support Singed and Nunu bans Riot decided to clarify their stance on off-meta play; basically, you can do almost anything if it seems like you're trying. Playing a champion with no AP ratios but building full AP is probably about the only thing that is so wrong they'll ban it.
Silly Neeko1 votesNo. Ap lucian can do well, it just sounds like they had a bad game. This is strictly from the information that you gave with no information outside of that like actually seeing if they were inting etc.
However there was a time that i did ap lucian top and had a jinx adc that was building fine, switch to the same items i was building. Which of us was trolling? The one who went into the game with the plan of trying AP lucian or the one who was doing AD jinx until they saw my build and switched to my build?
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesWith that same amount of gold he'd do better with an ad build, this is very clear unless he's boasting a +50% winate on ap lucian. Doesn't a very obviously sub-optimal build mean he's not trying his best to win?
Silly Neeko1 votesIve been smashed by an AP lucian mid in ranked before. So no. Ill even bet that the pro player who made Miss Fortune support so popular for a while did not have a 50%+ win rate on MF support..... They just saw a good opportunity and went with it.
People also first time champions in ranked and do well... They do off meta builds in ranked and do well..... They do off meta lanes with the champion and do well...... It really just depends. Sometimes it might surprise you how well something might do.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesI'm no stranger to off-meta, I have almost 300 games as yorick support with about 60% winrate. The thing is, my pick excels for a reason. I can explain that reason to anybody and they'll see the logic in it.
I've got no problem trying new things in ranked. I have a bunch of game on ashe support and I played like one norms on the champ before bringing it to ranked but I knew why it worked before I did it in ranked.
So far nobody in this thread has explained to me how ap Lucian is supposed to work better than ad lucian.
Mf support along with ashe or varus is solely used as a counterpick to zyra support. She should have a +50% winrate or what's the point of being a counter?
Silly Neeko1 votesI could easily explain to you why you would not do it as well with Yorick Support. It is not about the logistics of IF it will do better, it is a matter of WILL it work better. If you have less success with AD Lucian than you do AP Lucian, then you are purposefully giving yourself a disadvantage simply because someone wants you to be meta.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesIt quite literally does work better. 60% winrate over a few hundred games in ranked, remember?
If I see anybody have more success with ap lucian than people with ad lucian I will drop this subject here and now.
Silly Neeko1 votes60% win rate means there are times that you lost. Those losses could potentially have been prevented by using a "better" support.
It is all about theory and practice. The theory is there, you just need to practice it. That simple.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesAnd I'm assuming that you didn't try ap Lucian in ranked.
Silly Neeko1 votesNo, because i get tired of playing ranked very quickly as everyone is insisting there is only one way to play and if you do not play that exact way, you do not deserve to win so they will troll.
There is no "let me try this" because then people get pissed, think your a troll, and start int feeding, going AP Yasuo or Jinx or Caitlyn etc (all of which could potentially work, but by a dramatically decreased amount than AP lucian who can utilize Nashors Tooth, Guinsoos, Wits End, Lich Bane, Boots of lucidity, and deathcap/ludins/hextech gunblade pretty decently and have more long range burst without needing to get so close).
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesI can almost always get my adc to work with me and I'm a yorick support one trick. I used to think like you, it just takes practice but you'll be able to convince people if you show them you know what you're doing.
I also play renekton jungle with a great winrate and my team is ok with it because I know how it works and why it does.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesHe will have one 90% ap scaling ability at 900 range that gets blocked by minions. This is literally the only thing better about ap lucian. Ad lucian does EVERYTHING else better. More damage, safety, reliability, and poke with ad lucian. When I made this thread I didn't report the Lucian, but now I've come to the decision that I should have.
Silly Neeko1 votesThat is your opinion, same as it is a popular opinion that AP Sion fails but I was easily able to kill the enemy Darius after an item or so, only reason my deaths were higher than my kills is because i often took a tower at minimum with my death and i just ignored the enemies because i was playing around and knew they could not stop me from taking the tower.
I would have gladly done this in ranked because i have done it a LONG while ago, and i do not normally see anyone do it, so people have no clue how to deal with it. This is without "super success" with it in the past, and it being about 6-12 months at least since the last time i did AP sion.
Feel free to figure out why i would have chose that over AD or tanky sion.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesI already know about ap sion, he's got strong scalings and consistent ways to apply them. It's one of the most consistent ways to deal damage as a sion. My guess is you needed to deal damage so you went ap.
Ap Lucian does not have the consistency of ap sion.
Silly Neeko1 votesI needed a consistant way to deal damage that let me stay out of range of his pull.
AP lucian does similar with his W because it has roughly about 400 range more than almost any other skill of his. With decent damage if they are not a champion that builds much life steal often..... Such as Gangplank, or Darius, or in mid...... It would do well.
You are just against the AP lucian (who btw only has 20% ad scaling on ulti, so you would do similar damage either way, just if you went AP then the damage in ulti is still AD and therefor gives you an advantage over those who build all MR.) and are not even trying to see any kind of benefit from AP Lucian.