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48 hour reminder to @RIOT Rhojin A response to something (quoted) you said in forum

Liquid Dario··1 votes·2,147 views

Okay @Riot Rhojin I just wanted to reply to something you said and see if you would reply back with a response because well its been about 4 years I would say I have posted on this forum about these things and not one Rioter has dared to mount a response to me. Since you seem all about the community and everyone sings their praises about you I figured your about as good of a shot as I have to ever actually get an official answer from a Riot member.

Note that I am in no way trying to ACTUALLY be rude here tho I may come off as such due to my passion about what I am going to comment on. Anyways here is your quote and I will apply my response to what I wanted you to comment on. Note that the response will prolly be long.

Rhojin (NA) - 2 days ago 1 of 2 Rioter Comments You were punished for your consistent verbal abuse and harassment against other players in your game, not because you were only defending yourself. You tend to rage at players who are playing poorly, demand reports against them and telling them to refund skins and champions if they did not perform to your expectations. This was abuse carried across the three chatlogs that were supplied to you when your suspension was issued. Before the permanent suspension hit your account, you went through multiple chat restrictions and a two week suspension for the same behavior. The punishment on your account is more than justified.

In regards to your self defense claim, you can still be punished for firing back at another players. When it comes to your suspension it only matters what you do, not what others do. While you may feel that you are in the right defending yourself or others, two wrongs never make a right. If you run into players displaying negative or toxic behavior in game you can mute them and report them at the end of the game. The moment you fire back with your own negative behavior you warrant any reports made against you and justify any disciplinary actions take against your account.

"When it comes to your suspension it only matters what you do, not what others do. "

@Rhojin - And that there sir is exactly what is wrong with your system. You allow the antagonizer the dignity of annoying your players and then punish the players being annoyed instead of the instigators of said act. Again and I will say this till this game shuts down or becomes trash ( doing a great job on both fronts there riot HAHA ) In no other game / anything / real life situation etc, is it that the person who defends himself is the only one to be punished. Meanwhile, the person who caused the issue, crime / altercation / verbal attack etc, gets away with what he did and is let off scott free and given a handshake from said authority Riot games / Police / Judge / etc.

You have the worst possible system in place, and what you stated there just proved in and of itself how absolutely ridiculous you and other rioters sound when trying to defend the system.

Does it ban actual toxicity ? Yes 100% it does. Does it stop actual toxicity ? 0% no chance in hell. Why ? simple, because the ones doing the antagonizing are allowed to do it in 100's of games before MAYBE finally being punished. Meanwhile, the player being antagonized gets much harsher punishment almost instantly. Especially when said antagonizer is in a group or party that has multipule people to infract you with to defend their "buddy" guess we should call it the "TOXIC BUDDY SYSTEM" and you can only give a single report .... who's side you going to take Riot ? I know the answer seems hard so I will answer for you the toxic buddies will be the ones taken seriously.

Honestly you know what the absolute best thing ever would be for a RIOTER to finally understand how horrible this system is ?

Imagine if you will in this fake scenario, a Rioter was at a convention doing his thing when suddenly some guy who hates Riot for being banned starts flaming this Rioter. So the Rioter talks back and try's to defuse the situation. But then said person engages in a physical altercation, and punched said Rioter in the face so the Rioter defends himself and swings back trying to protect himself from harm. Now the Police are called and they hear both sides of the story and the Rioter is arrested and sent to jail. Because "When it comes to your Arrest it only matters what you do, not what others do. "

Now I think I have made my point extremely clear. Riot your system is flawed would you dare to come in here and argue this point with me ? I would love to hear it. I know how much you guys love to ignore me because its pretty hard to argue a point this specific that makes 100% sense compared to the non sensical crap you spew on a daily basis.

@Rhojin Please feel free to come argue this point with me. don't worry, I'm not a bad dude. I am just very passionate about your system. I want only for that system to be improved so that all players can feel comfortable playing under "RIOTS LAW"

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Zerfallen8 votes

Stop spamming this nonsense.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Stop spamming this nonsense.

I will continue every 48 hours as its within my right to do so until they actually answer. Or they can simply ban me from posting forever which would prove my point of exactly what im saying to be true.

Zerfallen4 votes

We tried talking to you like a rational human being, you are blatantly ignoring everything people say to you.

Your logic is flawed.

The "He started it!" excuse is not a valid defense for retaliatory toxicity, nor does it work at any point in life.

ModMod Curator16 votes

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I will continue every 48 hours as its within my right to do so until they actually answer. Or they can simply ban me from posting forever which would prove my point of exactly what im saying to be true.

Fair warning from the moderation staff: If you post this every 48 hours we will remove future posts and suspend your posting privileges as this is considered spam. The Boards function in such a way that if a conversation is relevant, it will stay visible. If it falls off the page, then people no longer want to participate. Attempts to manipulate this functionality will be moderated.

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Zerfallen2 votes

Thank you, most appropriately named Moderator!

EvilDustMan2 votes

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Fair warning from the moderation staff: If you post this every 48 hours we will remove future posts and suspend your posting privileges as this is considered spam. The Boards function in such a way that if a conversation is relevant, it will stay visible. If it falls off the page, then people no longer want to participate. Attempts to manipulate this functionality will be moderated.

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I don't know whether to be amused or annoyed because he'll take this a proof he is being repressed.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Fair warning from the moderation staff: If you post this every 48 hours we will remove future posts and suspend your posting privileges as this is considered spam. The Boards function in such a way that if a conversation is relevant, it will stay visible. If it falls off the page, then people no longer want to participate. Attempts to manipulate this functionality will be moderated.

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So I just read the universal rules and there is no statement stating that things cannot be reposted within 48 hours of one another so could you please include the supposed amount of time I need before I can reinstate this post thank you.

Zerfallen4 votes

The Boards function in such a way that if a conversation is relevant, it will stay visible. If it falls off the page, then people no longer want to participate. Attempts to manipulate this functionality will be moderated.

Don't repost the same thing over and over again. That is, by definition, spam.

ModMod Curator11 votes

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So I just read the universal rules and there is no statement stating that things cannot be reposted within 48 hours of one another so could you please include the supposed amount of time I need before I can reinstate this post thank you.

That's because there is no time-frame that makes it "OK" to do. Re-posting the same content in the same section just because people didn't reply or didn't reply the way you wanted them to is considered spam and is removed.

There's only one exception to that rule currently and it exists in Team Recruitment as people need to be able to post updated recruitment posts and/or post at the exact time they're looking for a duo/group. Your post isn't in that section and wouldn't be exempt regardless due to the nature of the content.

Additionally, posting the same post on multiple accounts doesn't make it not spam either. We'll remove and action on all accounts being used to spam the Boards in violation of the rules.

SrbLud5 votes

Waste of what could be a good disccusion...stop posting stuff like this...you are wrong and that's it

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Waste of what could be a good disccusion...stop posting stuff like this...you are wrong and that's it

instead of claiming im wrong how about you come up with facts ? i could easily have 100's of players state the same thing im stating its all over the forums just go take a gander.

FrankerX3 votes

even the board mods warn you that they will ban you for spam. YOU ARE WRONG

SrbLud3 votes

Dude you are wrong. Getiing banned for retaliation is a rightfull ban and you should be ashamed of yourself for claiming it's not so. Read the summoners code, and when you get downvoted a lot you should rethink if maybe you are wrong. You have free speech and you can say whatever you want, but when that speech infringes on someones rights not to get flamed at. guess what...you get reported. Read the rules and follow them, they are there for a reason. Boards are full of people who think they are entitled to bend the rules to prove their point...no one cares... You broke the rules and you suffer the consequences. There is no eye for an eye in LOL so either deal with it or go play some other game. summoner 11

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Dude you are wrong. Getiing banned for retaliation is a rightfull ban and you should be ashamed of yourself for claiming it's not so. Read the summoners code, and when you get downvoted a lot you should rethink if maybe you are wrong. You have free speech and you can say whatever you want, but when that speech infringes on someones rights not to get flamed at. guess what...you get reported. Read the rules and follow them, they are there for a reason. Boards are full of people who think they are entitled to bend the rules to prove their point...no one cares... You broke the rules and you suffer the consequences. There is no eye for an eye in LOL so either deal with it or go play some other game.

I already did go play another game same with thousands of other players that you see all over the boards bitching about dynamic que lol. You know whats funny is now that you say that sometime in the future ull regret those words when this game starts going downhill youll be wishing they come back these players you keep telling to quit.

The best part is how you say retaliating is a rightful ban but causing the retaliation and not getting any punishment is perfectly cool. Its funny its like Riot is brainwashing you sheeple into feeling this. Its funny how you all omit this part of the argument every single time one of you speaks. It is overwhelmingly against the person retaliating after someone did something messed up to cause that retaliation in the first place.

BTW I never broke the rules my account is in good standing and I still complain about it because I actually have the brain power to think for myself what should be right or wrong not what RIOTS LAW tells me is right or wrong.

SrbLud2 votes

You accepted the terms & conditions and you say it's ok to break them...ok...good for you... I only said that retaliation is a rightfull ban and never mentioned that causing it is cool...you take that out of context to suit your purpose... If someone is causing you to tilt...report them...if you retaliate...you get reported... Just cause you want to bend some rules doesn't mean you can think for yourself and eweryone else is brainwashed... We keep telling you you're wrong and you act like a brick wall not even considering it... that just shows you're the one not thinking at all... You just came here to try and prove a point about something you are wrong about. Your only defense is "he started first".... Thats what 4 year olds do... Deal with the fact every game has terms & conditions and rules. Don't retaliate...report...

Liquid Dario1 votes

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You accepted the terms & conditions and you say it's ok to break them...ok...good for you... I only said that retaliation is a rightfull ban and never mentioned that causing it is cool...you take that out of context to suit your purpose... If someone is causing you to tilt...report them...if you retaliate...you get reported... Just cause you want to bend some rules doesn't mean you can think for yourself and eweryone else is brainwashed... We keep telling you you're wrong and you act like a brick wall not even considering it... that just shows you're the one not thinking at all... You just came here to try and prove a point about something you are wrong about. Your only defense is "he started first".... Thats what 4 year olds do... Deal with the fact every game has terms & conditions and rules. Don't retaliate...report...

RETALIATE ... REPORT ... NO BAN ... NOTHING HAPPENS ... PLAYER CONTINUES ON RUINING OTHER PLAYERS EXPERIENCE ...

Again if something was ACTUALLY done then yes your answer would be the correct one and I would gladly hella 10000000000000% gladly follow that answer. Sadly, that is not what occurs and that's my issue.

SrbLud1 votes

I posted a reply to one of your posts under that also proves you are wrong about this...

Zerfallen3 votes

He doesn't respond to posts that use logic.

Everything to him is a "rito conspiracy" and we are the "brainwashed sheeple".

I think it maybe time to let him just go on believing what he does.

Nik Nikerson4 votes

Fact: According to what was posted, you raged at people because they didn't play as well as you wanted. You apparently think that is the same thing as being antagonized. It's not. In most cases, it's someone having a bad game. This makes you the antagonist. Which means you absolutely deserve to be punished, because you are part of the problem.

Liquid Dario1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nik Nikerson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gtbhqztb,comment-id=000200000002,timestamp=2016-04-16T21:21:36.478+0000)

Fact: According to what was posted, you raged at people because they didn't play as well as you wanted. You apparently think that is the same thing as being antagonized. It's not. In most cases, it's someone having a bad game. This makes you the antagonist. Which means you absolutely deserve to be punished, because you are part of the problem.

Incorrect I did not rage at anyone this is according to a different players Post period. It was not me they could easily confirm that the OP of the post is not me lol.

I am simply a person who stumbled upon said comment from Rhojin and it simply instantly caused me to lose faith in riots system due to the sheer stupidity of the comment.

One again you say the same thing as the last guy .... is Riots brainwashing really that strong ? damn Riot you scary. Again so if someones having a bad game that makes it okay for him to antagonize you and not be punished ? but if you call him out for it ... its perfectly acceptable for you to be punished ? LOL WUT ... I agree that the person talking back is a part of the issue I do agree there. What I dont agree with is instead of both players being punished at the same time appropriately for the issue. Only the one defending is issued punishment while the offender walks on to play another game and cause more drama.

SrbLud1 votes

You clearly have no idea how the system works... If you report the guy then down the line it'll be in his report case... You never get any confirmation if someone got restrictions or ban unless your report caused him to be reviewed, so chances are slim to know if that guy you reported got punished or not ( he probably did if he does it all the time ). So if you get punished it only means you broke the rules consistently, it doesn't mean the other guy won't be punished. The report system works fine and what you are saying is " i don't really know how the system works but it isn't fair". You don't know if he got punished for flaming/trolling/griefing etc.. unless you caused the review ( rare )...he might have been punished two games later, or maybe it's his first offense... Just cause someone breaks the rules it doesn't mean he has to be punished right away...They build a case to make sure it's his consistent behaviour and then they smite him with a punishment. You being punished shows that your behaviour is consistent. You see... I follow the rules, i play my game, if someone breaks the rules i mute and report... guess what...never got punished... I had one warning when i started playing cause i fell in the same trap you did, and realized it doesn't pay off to do it... Play the game and learn how the system works...

Liquid Dario1 votes

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You clearly have no idea how the system works... If you report the guy then down the line it'll be in his report case... You never get any confirmation if someone got restrictions or ban unless your report caused him to be reviewed, so chances are slim to know if that guy you reported got punished or not ( he probably did if he does it all the time ). So if you get punished it only means you broke the rules consistently, it doesn't mean the other guy won't be punished. The report system works fine and what you are saying is " i don't really know how the system works but it isn't fair". You don't know if he got punished for flaming/trolling/griefing etc.. unless you caused the review ( rare )...he might have been punished two games later, or maybe it's his first offense... Just cause someone breaks the rules it doesn't mean he has to be punished right away...They build a case to make sure it's his consistent behaviour and then they smite him with a punishment. You being punished shows that your behaviour is consistent. You see... I follow the rules, i play my game, if someone breaks the rules i mute and report... guess what...never got punished... I had one warning when i started playing cause i fell in the same trap you did, and realized it doesn't pay off to do it... Play the game and learn how the system works...

Yet if you mouth back to said person 90% of the time you eat a instant two week ban .... hows that even remotely fair or proper your expecting the defender to wait 6 months for said person to be punished for what he did. Yet if you say anything back the offender gets instant gratification that he got you punished wtf kinda logic is that ?

Again I was not the person punished .... riot can confirm the op of that thread was not me nor did it have anything to do with me. My account is in good standing .. I can aquire keys and boxes. That point is mute.

SrbLud1 votes

Ok so what you're saying is: If someone flames me and i retaliate i get instant 2 week ban, although it's not me that got punished, my account is good standing, i just saw some guy in some other thread post it. Do you see any flaws in that? How can you claim such a thing if it wasn't you. You are literally lying now to prove your point. Or someones post made you think it's right but at the same time you can think for yourself, and you call us brainwashed.... Which one is it?

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Ok so what you're saying is: If someone flames me and i retaliate i get instant 2 week ban, although it's not me that got punished, my account is good standing, i just saw some guy in some other thread post it. Do you see any flaws in that? How can you claim such a thing if it wasn't you. You are literally lying now to prove your point. Or someones post made you think it's right but at the same time you can think for yourself, and you call us brainwashed.... Which one is it?

Clearly you cannot read english properly. That ops post was not mine currently as of this writing my account is in perfect standing .... LAST SEASON like OCT of last year my account was not in good standing.

And yes last season I was banned for 2 weeks for retaliation and you know what happened to the guy who flamed me well I guess by this post you can take a wild guess. So ya I feel strongly on the matter. Though I no longer have the issue personally I still feel for other players who do have the issue.

SrbLud1 votes

Hey i read everything you wrote perfectly and you clearly have no idea how the system works... what proof do you have that guy didn't get banned... did riot send you a message saying "oh that guy you reported didn't get banned cause we like trolls"...no... That guy probably got the ban a couple of games after if he continued doing it... And when you said earlier you get insta 2 week ban...bull... No one get's banned for one game and there are no exeptions to that... Accept you are wrong dude... You just prove you have no idea what you're talking about every time you type something. You posted and we gave our opinion. The majority said you are wrong and you just won't accept it...

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Hey i read everything you wrote perfectly and you clearly have no idea how the system works... what proof do you have that guy didn't get banned... did riot send you a message saying "oh that guy you reported didn't get banned cause we like trolls"...no... That guy probably got the ban a couple of games after if he continued doing it... And when you said earlier you get insta 2 week ban...bull... No one get's banned for one game and there are no exeptions to that... Accept you are wrong dude... You just prove you have no idea what you're talking about every time you type something. You posted and we gave our opinion. The majority said you are wrong and you just won't accept it...

Actually if your vulgar enough you will instantly recieve a two week ban escalating past the 10 and 25 game chat restriction instantly. Again you are incorrect in your statement. Ask Riot they will tell u that themself. Therefore it is entirely possible to instantly be punished in a single game with a 2 week ban if you talk back bad enough to said troll while said troll continues to troll more games.

SrbLud1 votes

Let's say that's right ( it's not ). So your argument is this guy is trolling so i'm gonna be vulgar as hell and break a couple of rulles that are rightfully bannable...and by what you say you know it is bannable... So you get banned when you know you will and then moan it's not fair... Your logic is astounding...

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Let's say that's right ( it's not ). So your argument is this guy is trolling so i'm gonna be vulgar as hell and break a couple of rulles that are rightfully bannable...and by what you say you know it is bannable... So you get banned when you know you will and then moan it's not fair... Your logic is astounding...

So its fair that hes trolling and is not punished ? thats whats funny you guys are like well ur vulgur ur broke the rules u should be banned.... but that troll who caused u to be vulgar he should be allowed to continue to play and shouldnt be punished for starting the issue in the 1st place!

LOGIC is astounding perhaps you should use it sometime.

SrbLud1 votes

No one said he should be allowed to continue...If i make an argument about something it doesn't mean you can just put context for me on the other part of it... Both should be banned and that's it... Both are breaking rules and if one guy gets punished later it doesn't entitle the second guy to moan how it's not fair cause the other guy started first. Just cause i say the guy retaliating should be banned you entitle yourself to say that i think the troll shouldn't... now where is logic in that... Your argue by taking stuff out of context. You came to the boards where everyone says you're wrong ( noone here supports your case ), and you say "i don't care what you say, i'm right". Then don't post it in the first place. You got the opinions you don't like and try defending it by falsly conextualising everyone to prove you're right...

Liquid Dario1 votes

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No one said he should be allowed to continue...If i make an argument about something it doesn't mean you can just put context for me on the other part of it... Both should be banned and that's it... Both are breaking rules and if one guy gets punished later it doesn't entitle the second guy to moan how it's not fair cause the other guy started first. Just cause i say the guy retaliating should be banned you entitle yourself to say that i think the troll shouldn't... now where is logic in that... Your argue by taking stuff out of context. You came to the boards where everyone says you're wrong ( noone here supports your case ), and you say "i don't care what you say, i'm right". Then don't post it in the first place. You got the opinions you don't like and try defending it by falsly conextualising everyone to prove you're right...

I was gone away for a bit nice to see so many messages here. But I am glad you said this because this is 100% what I agree with "Both should be banned and that's it"

EXACTLY not oh well you get banned for defending yourself but the person causing the issue gets nothing and continues to play. It should be zero tolerance if your part of it you get punished PERIOD. No EXCUSES no well I didn't do it as bad as the other guy just both of you did it both of you get BODIED. that would be a very acceptable outcome imo I wouldnt mind that at all at least that way I know the douche isnt walking around causing more issues for people.

SrbLud1 votes

You will never know if he got banned...he might have... you get banned cause it promted a review and you think to yourself " well that sucks what about the other guy". He probably promted a review few games after and got banned too. You just never know unless it was your report that was tipping him for review. People that are toxic or troll continually eventually get banned. It might not be after your game but maybe few games down the line. It all depends on how often he gets reported and severity of his offences. Just make peace that you'll rarely see you got someone to be banned. And even when you do you won't know who it is. Everyone gets punished on the same criteria.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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You will never know if he got banned...he might have... you get banned cause it promted a review and you think to yourself " well that sucks what about the other guy". He probably promted a review few games after and got banned too. You just never know unless it was your report that was tipping him for review. People that are toxic or troll continually eventually get banned. It might not be after your game but maybe few games down the line. It all depends on how often he gets reported and severity of his offences. Just make peace that you'll rarely see you got someone to be banned. And even when you do you won't know who it is. Everyone gets punished on the same criteria.

AGAIN for the 1000th time YOU CAN EASILY LOL KING HIS ACCOUNT TO FIND OUT IF HE WAS BANNED .... how the hell is it that you guys think you cannot find out if you get banned for 2 weeks and that dude is still playing games 3 days later .... the logic tells you.

SrbLud1 votes

Ok i'm done...i told you how it is and you won't listen... There is no foolproof way to know if someone was banned or not. You keep giving nonesence arguments to logical ones. Everyone here is wrong and you are right. Riot is conspiring against us and are totally unfair. People are toxic for 100 games and don't get punished while you get banned after one game. All these downvotes should tell you something. You are a delusional person at best and you need a timeout. Your only arguments were lying, puting our posts out of context to prove your own point, calling us sheeple although you belived some guy that he's been trolling all the time without getting banned cause he said so, twisting every single thing someone says and you keep trying to prove you're right when there is not a single person on the boards that shares your opinion. Yes riot does have some problems to solve but you are the part of that problem my friend and you should know when it's time to rethink some stuff and admit you might be wrong.

SrbLud1 votes

Simple...as i said...no one has to be punished at the same time just because you want them to...your behaviour prompted a review for punishment and his didn't. You got enough reports to be reviewed and he didn't. Maybe he needs a couple more for that. Do you really think some people sit there and review every report as soon as they come and make a decicion? They stack up untill they show a behaviour patern that calls for a review. So yeah i'm for real. And them playing 10+ days could mean they flamed you and were on their behaviour for those 10+ days and never triggered the review of the reports. That's what everyone here is trying to tell you but you keep saying somehow we're wrong. Obviously you have no clue how the report system works.

SrbLud1 votes

Behaviour pattern means they will get banned. Even if they play some legit games in between, they will still show a pattern of their behaviour if they get reported for it. They will eventually get banned the same way you did. Stacking up is a reasonable system and isn't stupid in any way. Someone has a bad day and flames all game to vent and gets reported. You think he's toxic and you want to see him banned. But it was one game and he goes on after that with his normal non toxic behaviour. Should he get banned? No. If he continues his toxic behaviour? yes. Riot gives you the benefit of slipping up a few games. If they see you continue developing that behaviour they'll let you know. It's a system that lets you know it's okay if you slipped a game or two, we give you the benefit of the doubt, but be warned we keep the logs and we might use them against you if you continue doing so. How is that a stupid system? Just because you want someone to get the same punishment as you.... no... He will get the punishment if he earned it not cause you say so...

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Behaviour pattern means they will get banned. Even if they play some legit games in between, they will still show a pattern of their behaviour if they get reported for it. They will eventually get banned the same way you did. Stacking up is a reasonable system and isn't stupid in any way. Someone has a bad day and flames all game to vent and gets reported. You think he's toxic and you want to see him banned. But it was one game and he goes on after that with his normal non toxic behaviour. Should he get banned? No. If he continues his toxic behaviour? yes. Riot gives you the benefit of slipping up a few games. If they see you continue developing that behaviour they'll let you know. It's a system that lets you know it's okay if you slipped a game or two, we give you the benefit of the doubt, but be warned we keep the logs and we might use them against you if you continue doing so. How is that a stupid system? Just because you want someone to get the same punishment as you.... no... He will get the punishment if he earned it not cause you say so...

Again I have seen players who go 50 games long 0-30 and they do not get banned .... if it gets patterns why doesnt it get that I mean do I litterally need to do this myself record every single match and PROVE to you the system is flawed .... I would REALLY hate to have to waste months of my time playing this game to feed in ranked games ..... but if thats litterally how I have to prove this I will. Hell I know of an account that BOTTED for months litterally every match is botted playing bots and then made gold in 10 games and just stopped playing and is still an active account and still has victorious sivir and can still be played even right now.... But anyhow, I am REALLY contemplating doing that I will lose one of my accounts but if thats the only way to prove this crap otherwise I am really contemplating doing it.

SrbLud1 votes

Ok if you've seen it then write a ticket to riot and be done with it. You're still wrong and what you just said is impossible. Stop trying to prove you're right when it's obvious to everyone here you're not. We gladly accepted some of the arguments you had ( the ones that were reasonable ), but you fail to do the same thing. You just have to be right and won't even consider you're not. I don't know what you think you know but you're going all wrong about this and just keep sounding more and more delusional... Good luck with your quest for justice. I'm out.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Ok i'm done...i told you how it is and you won't listen... There is no foolproof way to know if someone was banned or not. You keep giving nonesence arguments to logical ones. Everyone here is wrong and you are right. Riot is conspiring against us and are totally unfair. People are toxic for 100 games and don't get punished while you get banned after one game. All these downvotes should tell you something. You are a delusional person at best and you need a timeout. Your only arguments were lying, puting our posts out of context to prove your own point, calling us sheeple although you belived some guy that he's been trolling all the time without getting banned cause he said so, twisting every single thing someone says and you keep trying to prove you're right when there is not a single person on the boards that shares your opinion. Yes riot does have some problems to solve but you are the part of that problem my friend and you should know when it's time to rethink some stuff and admit you might be wrong.

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1 Only if you report them and your specific report was the one that triggers punishment. It's not every time.

2 and 3 You STILL have no source of information to confirm that they only punish the second guy. They don't just leave the antagonist if they also did something that can be reported for. You still have no idea how to make a correct analogy. If we were under Riot's law, like I and Pacman said, you can just mute and become invincible and not even have a problem. You clearly have no mental capacity to consider other people's opinions or find any fault in yourself so continuing an argument with you is pointless. Especially since you can't even construct a proper argument anyway.

Also using bold and caps and bad spelling doesn't make your argument any stronger.

[{quoted}](name=Ivor The Ranger,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gtbhqztb,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-04-16T23:34:48.166+0000)

My $0.02: You have some valid arguments spaced throughout your initial post, especially about how people are getting unfairly banned by teams who will troll you and then report you. Screw anyone who says this isn't an issue; you are, more than likely, part of the problem rather than the solution if you claim this. It wasn't proper to retaliate. Don't be a big baby about this and cry every couple days because you're not getting your way. That's mature behavior that doesn't deserve a ban, right? Go through the proper channels and find a solution to this the mature way. Consider editing your post so I don't have to read through all the crap. Also, "100s" is spelled "hundreds", in the English language.

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If you got hit with an instant 2 week ban, then you did a little more than "mouth back." You either used homophobic/racial slurs (which are COMPLETELY unnecessary) or you told them to die IRL. That is just so far beyond just mouthing back. You don't just eat a 2 week ban if you just got mad once, or just said F U or something.

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Doubt he cares about something that logical.

[{quoted}](name=Nik Nikerson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gtbhqztb,comment-id=0002000000020000000100000001,timestamp=2016-04-16T22:32:47.315+0000)

Just because you don't see people getting punished, doesn't mean they don't get punished, because it takes time for the system to establish patterns of behavior. The same way you didn't get punished for saying something in a single game (unless it was hate speech, which will get you busted for a single instance).

The system isn't foolproof, but no system will be. It's impossible. Can it be improved? Yeah. And I would like to see it improved. That still means nothing in regards to people raging because they felt provoked. If you start raging in game, it doesn't matter why you're doing it.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/2iWp7veu-riot-rhojin-a-response-to-something-quoted-you-said-in-forum-would-appreciate-a-reply-back

You all might wanna pay attention to this

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Man sorry for not seeing this earlier. I will try to post some sort of response in here regarding your questions sometime before the end of Sunday. Right now's its 5am and I'm questioning why I am still even awake.

To all of you who ran your mouth and acted like I was being ridiculous ... etc etc... you all know where to shove your mighty high horses. As for me I am going to await for Rhojins response. Just figured you would like to see his response too so I was still nice enough to show you the thread hes going to respond to.

Zerfallen2 votes

Congrats you are getting a red post.

You still are being ridiculous.

But you still ignore every single argument I post to you and only quote me after I've given up on your willfully ignorant ramblings.

Have fun either way.

Liquid Dario1 votes

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Congrats you are getting a red post.

You still are being ridiculous.

But you still ignore every single argument I post to you and only quote me after I've given up on your willfully ignorant ramblings.

Have fun either way.

its not that its a red post its that its an official answer to a problem I have had with Riot since the inception of them doing the bans and taking away tribunal

Also, you are not a Rioter that is why I do not listen ... I do ignore arguements when my point makes sense unless it comes directly from them its true until otherwise proven which rhojin is about to do when he posts. I will take 100% of what he says to heart hell he might even change my mind about the whole situation if his explanation is good. The fact is I rather hear things from the horses mouth rather than defenders of riot games. alot of you guys come off as biased players who just decide to SJW anyone who trys to bash riot for anything. That's the main reason why I refuse to listen. But yes I am very looking forward to his response.

Nik Nikerson3 votes

This just isn't true. I've got friends that have lost it in game and gone off on someone, and none of them have been chat restricted. Because it rarely happens (and I don't mean once every couple of weeks "rarely"). If you're getting busted for mouthing back, you're doing it pretty regularly.

Liquid Dario1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nik Nikerson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gtbhqztb,comment-id=0002000000020000000000000001,timestamp=2016-04-16T22:37:35.293+0000)

This just isn't true. I've got friends that have lost it in game and gone off on someone, and none of them have been chat restricted. Because it rarely happens (and I don't mean once every couple of weeks "rarely"). If you're getting busted for mouthing back, you're doing it pretty regularly.

It should not be tolerated EVER PERIOD. Not oh we do it once in a while and nothing happens to us. ONE AND DONE. DO IT GET BANNED 2 WEEKS DO IT AGAIN GET PERMAD. Not this bs where we have to keep tabs on you like were inspector gadget and make sure you did the crime 4,000 games in a row before punishing you. DON'T DO IT PERIOD OR GET PUNISHED, SIMPLE, EZ, EFFECTIVE.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

They could do it that way, but so many people would be banned. People have bad days, it happens. It would be nice if there was no toxicity, but it is an unrealistic goal. And punishing individual minor incidents is going to land everyone getting punished. And those isolated incidents aren't going to be reduced much by punishments since they are born of pure emotion in most cases and often from things that have nothing to do with the game.

SCSU Genius3 votes

If you got hit with an instant 2 week ban, then you did a little more than "mouth back." You either used homophobic/racial slurs (which are COMPLETELY unnecessary) or you told them to die IRL. That is just so far beyond just mouthing back. You don't just eat a 2 week ban if you just got mad once, or just said F U or something.

Nik Nikerson4 votes

Why do you think both players won't be punished? Where are you getting that from?

Also, if someone has a bad game, and this causes someone else to rage, they shouldn't both be punished at the same time. If one player does something once, and the other has a long history of being toxic, they shouldn't be punished at the same time. If a player is regularly toxic they should be punished, regardless of who else is being toxic.

Liquid Dario1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nik Nikerson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gtbhqztb,comment-id=00020000000200000001,timestamp=2016-04-16T21:46:50.096+0000)

Why do you think both players won't be punished? Where are you getting that from?

Also, if someone has a bad game, and this causes someone else to rage, they shouldn't both be punished at the same time. If one player does something once, and the other has a long history of being toxic, they shouldn't be punished at the same time. If a player is regularly toxic they should be punished, regardless of who else is being toxic.

I am getting that from my own personal history of having it happen to me last season. I said my account is in good standing now last season it was not. And a lot of these comments stem from my personal issue with the system.

Also do you really need to be shown again players who even proved themself to be toxic by throwing games and going 0-30 in like 50 games in a row and still receive zero punishment ? Players that have a long history of being toxic continue to get away with being toxic all the damn time. You act like this system is fool proof when proof is on the forums that contradicts that all the time. There was a nunu that posted on the forums proving he did this like 50 ranked games in a row and wasnt punished and he even gloated about it on the boards .... what does that tell you.

SrbLud1 votes

How do you have proof of people going 0-30 in 50 games and get no punishment... You can't get proof of anyone getting banned unless you caused the review... One guy said it in a thread and you belived him...that's your argument... And we are sheeple...

Liquid Dario1 votes

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How do you have proof of people going 0-30 in 50 games and get no punishment... You can't get proof of anyone getting banned unless you caused the review... One guy said it in a thread and you belived him...that's your argument... And we are sheeple...

its funny when they do it months back but then are still playing its not hard to LOL king them and see their trolling ways. If I had saved the post of this person who showed his own account showing he had trolled and was still playing I would gladly link it.

SrbLud1 votes

lol king told you someone is a troll... All these downvotes and logical arguments and you still act thick...

Nik Nikerson3 votes

Just because you don't see people getting punished, doesn't mean they don't get punished, because it takes time for the system to establish patterns of behavior. The same way you didn't get punished for saying something in a single game (unless it was hate speech, which will get you busted for a single instance).

The system isn't foolproof, but no system will be. It's impossible. Can it be improved? Yeah. And I would like to see it improved. That still means nothing in regards to people raging because they felt provoked. If you start raging in game, it doesn't matter why you're doing it.

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