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if someone goes past 0/15 it should flag their account

His Bonnie··39 votes·13,805 views

i'm not saying instaban, i'm saying flag their account to at least have someone look at it.

just had a player who went 0/16/2, refused to group, ran it down multiple times without using abilities

you cannot tell me that they weren't trolling. there was 0 communication and NO ONE FLAMED THEM

rarely do games last long enough to get 15 deaths, and even when they do generally everyone on the team has multiple kills.

(edit) i'm mainly referring to ranked games, not games where there are new players or people playing new things.

(new edit) instead of personally replying to each comment that is saying the same thing (what about supports going 0/15/? and a ton of assists)

how many games do you ever see a support die that many times? lets be real here, it's not many, and if it happens even a few times nothing would happen to them as long as it wasn't because they were inting. i think it's safe to say that at least half of leagues toxicity problem

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BLACK REALM GOD14 votes

15 deaths is hard to get? you must not play iron league solo queue.

Nhifu1 votes

Then they'll know when to quit.

rujitra10 votes

Who will review all these flags?

His Bonnie6 votes

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Who will review all these flags?

they can bring back the tribunal or something new if they don't want to figure out another way. i think the tribunal was a pretty good idea because it was very similar to having a jury.

rujitra2 votes

The tribunal had a months long backlog when it was discontinued.

KVbqbFsC8e5 votes

Thats because the Tribunal was used for all cases, including chat. The IFS already handles chat, so the Tribunal would be much more efficient now as it would only be needed for trolling/inting.

ModWuks12 votes

A months-long backlog is better than allowing inters to get off scot-free though.

floo3 votes

^This Csgo overwatch works perfectly fine. People cry about not being able to do smth about inters but when something is suggested, it gets written off as "wasn't good". Does the mean it has to be bad today as well?

Voldymort1 votes

and just like a jury, it could take months before an agreement would be made

His Bonnie3 votes

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and just like a jury, it could take months before an agreement would be made

the old tribunal system was a good idea that needed more work to get more people to use it. now that riot is starting to reward good behavior maybe they could reward people who use the tribunal and make good judgments on cases. the boards community compared to the rest of the league community who doesn't use boards is very small. i have many friends and met many people who didn't even know about the boards. but i think most of the boards would use a new tribunal if one was put out.

Voldymort2 votes

if the number of people using the tribunal was the only issue, i'd wager that riot would try to improve that problem or attempt to draw more people in, instead of removing it altogether. but the fact of the matter is that the tribunal also produced many false positives that needed to be manually reviewed and redone.

by comparison, the ifs's margin of error is much much smaller

Phenomenal TKE1 votes

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they can bring back the tribunal or something new if they don't want to figure out another way. i think the tribunal was a pretty good idea because it was very similar to having a jury.

Believe me you dont want the tribunal back. People would just spam punish to get through their daily for the IP.

DrCyanide2 votes

The last time Riot talked about bringing the Tribunal back, they mentioned the idea of having known good behavior games sprinkled in, to help weed out people doing just what you described.

AlienPrimate1 votes

That wasn't my experience as someone who had 100% accuracy and almost as many pardons as punishments. If this was true I would not have had anywhere close to 100% majority accuracy.

ZaFishbone3 votes

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Who will review all these flags?

Right, sorry, Rito is a small indie company, not one of the most successful gaming companies in recent times, and with only one game to their name to boot.

Nhifu1 votes

Riot's a shell of what they used to be.

ZaFishbone1 votes

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Riot's a shell of what they used to be.

At what is, basically, the height of their economic success?

excelsheet11 votes

I'll do it

KFCeytron6 votes

I once went 0/18 as ADC in a PvP match that lasted for 50 minutes. I was trying really hard to be useful to my team, but the enemy consistently focused me. I'm glad I wasn't banned for being bad at the game.

Tower3 votes

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I once went 0/18 as ADC in a PvP match that lasted for 50 minutes. I was trying really hard to be useful to my team, but the enemy consistently focused me. I'm glad I wasn't banned for being bad at the game.

This is precisely what makes OP's Post a bad idea. Riot can tell if people are 0-18 and trying or 0-18 and trolling. Riot can already see everything that happens ingame. This includes mouse click locations, keyboard button usage, ping, ms, click rate, screen pan patterns etc etc.

Even if someone reported you and got your account looked at by the system, all the data of you trying to play counts towards revealing that report as false

xDogMeatx1 votes

Hold on they track your whole keyboard? Or just your commands used

Nhifu3 votes

But the players "raging" at the 0-18 player will get banned way before the 0-18 player will even be looked at.

Snowman Arc2 votes

If that happens in a normal game, it's ok. You can be a first timer etc. If this happens in a ranked game, then it's not ok, because if you are a first timer, you shouldn't be playing ranked.

KFCeytron3 votes

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If that happens in a normal game, it's ok. You can be a first timer etc. If this happens in a ranked game, then it's not ok, because if you are a first timer, you shouldn't be playing ranked.

It's not against the rules to first-time something in ranked, nor is it against the rules to die a lot, ranked or otherwise. Dying only breaks the rules if it's intentional.

floo6 votes

This scenario is super rare and not the norm. That's why it's supposed to be flagged and not instabanned.

flibitydoo3 votes

what do you mean super rare

tower diving is actually endorsed by riot, to the point that they specifically "compensated" akali on her rework to be able to "tower dive just as well as the other assassins" with true stealth. It's stupid, it's horrible, no one likes it but that's just how the meta has degraded over the years.

you are expected to be killed regardless of where you are on the map without exception, including under your own tower at full health. It's 2019, there is no safe zone or safe laning.

and camping a lane is extremely commonplace, it's literally the only thing about jungling riot has never nerfed and actually buffed with CS bounties

floo2 votes

If there is a minimum amount of deaths such as 0/15, it's highly unlikely you get there without trolling. Often the enemy dies to the tower or you play safe enough so you wont die this many times. I mean.. when was the last time you even went double digits deaths with 0 kills?

excelsheet11 votes

There's no way you weren't inting. As a carry you should of had kills.

KFCeytron2 votes

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There's no way you weren't inting. As a carry you should of had kills.

As a carry playing PvP for a mission when I usually prefer bots, I was focused for 50 minutes and was worth less than a cannon minion, so I didn't have kills. Insisting that someone is inting when they're not is pretty toxic.

KVbqbFsC8e4 votes

"just a bad game"

AJStarhiker3 votes

What about the support tank who pulled 20-30 assists?

His Bonnie1 votes

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What about the support tank who pulled 20-30 assists?

if you have 20-30 assist there is no way you don't have a single kill. either way, someone will be able to tell that this support tank isn't trolling.

AJStarhiker4 votes

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if you have 20-30 assist there is no way you don't have a single kill. either way, someone will be able to tell that this support tank isn't trolling.

Funny. I can remember having games like that.

TBH, I was just pointing out the usual emphasis on kills/deaths while completely ignoring assists.

His Bonnie2 votes

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Funny. I can remember having games like that.

TBH, I was just pointing out the usual emphasis on kills/deaths while completely ignoring assists.

well if you read the full post the person i was talking about had 2 assists. you generally don't only have 2 assists and 16 deaths unless you're inting.

Voldymort2 votes

you generally don't only have 2 assists and 16 deaths unless you're inting.

generally =/= without exception

Eedat2 votes

Then fix the exceptions instead of letting the majority go. The vast, VAST majority of the time if someone is 0/16/2 they are trolling or inting

Voldymort2 votes

the only way to "fix the exceptions" is to ban all of them at face value and expect tickets to sort out the true and false. And it doesn't seem fair.

AJStarhiker2 votes

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well if you read the full post the person i was talking about had 2 assists. you generally don't only have 2 assists and 16 deaths unless you're inting.

I did read the post. Before you edited it from 0/15 to 0/16/2.

Vreivai2 votes

I've had 0/X/20-30 games as Janna before.

Granted, in games like that I usually have fewer than 5 deaths, but the point is it's possible to get a fuckload of assists without getting a single kill.

Doge20201 votes

I once did nasus support and went something like 0/11/45 or something like that. Sorry I did over exaggerate the assists lol, but I know it was hella high.

Some people would think I was trolling or inting because I was nasus, but I did check with my team before I picked and they were fine with the pick. I was in that phase where you would play one champ no matter what and in any position. And this was a normal game. I went ap poke supp and my lane won hard lol, I did die a lot but I usually got my adc or another teammate 1 kill or more from each fight. I actually got the idea when Trick did AP nasus supp but I went more supp than poke.

There was also my first game as jinx this past weekend where I died a lot. The enemy lulu and QUinn got such a good early lead that I was dead if I walked anywhere. Quinn could easily one shot me and Swain was an absolute beast lol. I was very clearly trying to win but my Fiora was so tilted that she was convinced that I was intentionally feeding and she called me out on that. I denied it and my team backed me up but she still asked for people to report me, I told her that asking for reports is bannable and I also explained that this was my very first game on jinx and that it was natural for somebody to do poorly on a new champ. We said most of that stuff in all chat and the enemy team was very kind and backed me up (the swain was streaming on twitch lol) Andre lost in relative peace after the Fiora kinda stopped. I still reported her and sent friend requests to the people on the enemy team, I joined them, we won a few more games and had a lot of fun. I did play jinx again that night but I did really well and we stomped the enemy team, but I did miss most of my ults lol.

Vreivai3 votes

They start doing this, I start leaving games if I go 0/14.

Papdi13 votes

It wont be implemented because it would fix this game and make it more enjoyable.

Hammermancer3 votes

Sion Singed would like some words

Alzon1 votes

Very fast Sion chopping turret at incredible hihg speed

Hammermancer1 votes

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Very fast Sion chopping turret at incredible hihg speed

Did you just propose a hybrid champ that's sion who turns into singed?

please yes

Alzon1 votes

No, I was proposing a Rageblade on inting Sion

Sorry to disappoint

FireDrizzle2 votes

Someone posted a match history of themself inting on the boards and wasn't perma'd lol.

C0ldbl00ded2 votes

Thank god they didn't say 'fuck' or flame anyone else playing, that REALLY would've ruined everyone's game...

FireDrizzle1 votes

Yes and there were over 40 deaths in that game, i guess "just a bad game".

BobaFlautist2 votes

Or make it even more rigorous: If somebody has a dramatically worse K/D/A than the team average.

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