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there should be a sticky here just 1

Ellis Dee··1 votes·359 views

it should say all the stuff or a link to all the stuff you can get in trouble for. back in the day i could go to the tribunal to read the rules and such but it seems like here is a good place for them also wherever they are currently i have no clue. i havn't seen them for years honestly because of that.

on a side note i personally think this company has gone off the deep end with their behavior modification. i mean this forum is suppose to be disscussions about player behavior. what it actually is, is a bunch of threads from people who got perma banned and feel totaly screwed or posts about "can i get in trouble for x". even if you wanted to talk abuot player behavior your post would bee quickly swept away by an onslaught of these banned players threads. i honestly dont know how i have managed to maintain my account because i detest being forced to control anything about myself at all much less my thoughts and words. which is by the way the most important thing you have other than your body.

the people who created the country this game came from would not have cared much for it's policy. i think they would have said something like "huh, you want to force people to not say words because you don't like the words? you mean to say that nobody is robbing you? or beating you up? in fact no damage to you in any way that can be seen or verified?" then i think they would pretty much just not even be able to look at you anymore. or maybe you get backhanded across the room.

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Chermorg4 votes

The problem with this is the second you try and put specifics, you either have a 10 mile long thread to describe all the ifs/ands/buts, or you leave out something that is important.

The bottom line is that the exact specifics of the system are unknown even to Riot. It's a machine learning system (similar to an artificial neural network) that was trained on logs that were holistically deemed toxic by the Tribunal back in the day - the program (the Instant Feedback System or IFS) formed its own rules. Trying to put the program's rules and processes into a "do this and don't do that" thread wouldn't work very well.

ModUlanopo5 votes

There's also the fact that, as soon as we established a list, you would have a horde of would-be lawyers arguing about how they got banned for something not on the list, how certain things don't belong on the list and so on.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

That's ridiculous. If the purpose of these boards is to help players understand what is acceptable and what isn't, there is no reason a list of unacceptable phrases can't be made and stickyd. If people want to argue the semantics of the list, let them. Each example will only contribute to establishing a proper code of conduct when communicating in game.

ModUlanopo1 votes

How about:

Don't ... use racist, homophobic, sexist or ethnic slurs. ... ask for reports. ... tell people how to play or build, unless you know them or they asked for help. ... spam the chat. ... spam pings. ... tell people to kill themselves. ... call people bad. ... harass other players. ... be a jerk.

Do: ... be polite. ... be respectful. ... work as a team. ... remember that this is a game. ... win and lose with equal grace. ... lift people up.

Does that help?

zPOOPz2 votes

Ahem, as a certified internet-only lawyer, I must contest this "Don't tell people to kill themselves". It is a legitimate strategy to tell people to kill themselves in ARAM....

[sg-syndra]

ModUlanopo1 votes

At the risk of appearing to not get the joke, you can always tell someone to "suicide to shop" or something similar. just as long as it explicitly mentions using the shop.

zPOOPz1 votes

It is a joke. I'm just proving for you that people will always try to poke at a hard list to find loopholes.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

That's too general, what some people may say as a joke may offend others. Also, giving advice can often be misconceived as telling someone how to play and what to build. A list like that won't do much good without some specific examples, because people have different tolerance levels for banter and negativity. Instead it would be more constructive to compile a list of what phrases should not be used when communicating, because they run the risk of punishment. Player's attitudes won't change just because the rules and punishment system have, and they shouldn't. Instead player's should be made aware of the line they can toe in order to still have fun but avoid repercussions.

ModUlanopo1 votes

because people have different tolerance levels for banter and negativity

Which is why a specific list would also be ineffective.

Chermorg2 votes

The reason is that there are no "unacceptable phrases" other than hate speech and telling someone to kill themselves. Beyond that, chat is looked at as a whole - not by "well is this phrase acceptable or not". If we tried to make a list of every single phrase that was potentially unacceptable, we'd end up with something longer than a dictionary.

It's not what exactly you say - it's how you say it and your attitude.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

That's the problem with typed communication there is no way to determine attitude.

Chermorg1 votes

There certainly is. A person's word choice, their demeanor, the phrases they use, all of that goes into determining attitude. If someone is constantly saying "wtf how the fuck did he hit that broken ass champ" they obviously have a negative attitude. If someone's always saying "it's ok just wait to be up and come back from it" or building their teammates up they obviously have a positive attitude.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

Maybe its just me, but I don't see much attitude when reading a line of text on my computer screen. Maybe I just lack the imagination to picture someone saying it with actual emotions as you describe it.

Ninja Assassin1 votes

"Generic comment about how it's easy to avoid getting banned and how you should know what is offensive and what is not."

  • anyone who frequents player behavior
Lyndris1 votes

How about not being mean, rude, insulting, racist, sexist, (insert bias vs religion word), or harassing? It confuses me that people don't realize that "toxic" means negative, harassing and/or generally unpleasant/unfun to be in game with? It is not a chat room for you and your friends to say what you normally say in small groups... Would you talk the exact same way with your parents or relatives as friends? How about classmates you are not "friends" with, or in a work place? Or in a public setting? This is a friendly game held on public servers, just try not to be a jerk?

nerak231 votes

The problem of making such specific list is that obnoxious players would then find a work around phrases or words or spelling then come an start arguments that such and such isn't listed! It still happens in a lot of threads.

Now to be fair at one time Riot did discuss with the boards and considered certain phrases that we the players don't want to be a part of this game. They gave the community the chance to at least discuss it.

That being said, you have your right to your opinion and Riot has the absolute right to punish how it see's fit.

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