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Friendly reminder to be respectful to players posting about their account punishment

Deep Terror Nami··106 votes·2,935 views

Whether or not you think they deserve your respect, show it anyway.

You aren't helping anyone by saying "I'm glad you got banned" and repeatedly shoving their punishment in their face. By doing this you are lowering yourself, and are perpetuating a cycle of toxicity where you might otherwise be able to help this person improve. If they don't seem to care what you have to say regardless, then end the discussion and move on. Sometimes people just have to vent a little too, and are really frustrated; right then may not be the best time to talk sense into them, so it's better that you offer a helping hand and leave them alone until they are ready to talk to you in a constructive discussion.

It sucks watching someone get torn down by people that normally want to help, and I hate having to lock discussions where there was a better way to communication or warn and punish people that usually have something decent to say. Maintain your dignity and take the high road, not just for the benefit of the community, but yourself too.

Thanks for listening. https://i.gyazo.com/60dae3aaeeb6bf71919cf40fc9e2213e.gif

54 Comments

This Is Your Dad15 votes

I think the way people approach the topic starts this chain. If I were to make a thread asking for advice on what I did wrong, I would get better results than asking to be unbanned because @#$% riot. Which is 85% of the ban threads.

MohawkBird1 votes

Exactly. The reason people say "Glad you got banned" is because 90% of the threads being made are just their whining and ignorant views about how they are justified in telling someone to fuck off or kill themselves. Then they go on a rant about how Riot is shit.

Of course people are gonna be glad they got banned, the reason is right there in their style of posting and attitude.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

There are some players that get harassed when trying to talk about their ban realistically but 100% of the ones that have received mostly negative replies are ones that start with a title similar to "RIOT UNBAN ME PUZZZZIEEESS" or something like that. When they're asked to justify their opinion they refuse to compromise and claim that the only help they can get is in being unbanned. When someone offers advice on what they can do with their next account the guy most often says "nah ima troll my new account and feed cuz no one gets punished for feeding huurrrr durrrr". There's no negotiation to be had. The people that say "hey i was a real jerk, sorry guys, i'll reform" receive mostly positive tips and get help too! They're told how to mute people and how to handle future situations.

StarScream478 votes

This needs to be pinned. I have seen almost every time I have been on this board. It's naive and a lot of the time people commenting don't even read the full post or even 10% of it.

FurriesAreHot4 votes

I'm disappointed in myself for sometimes becoming passive aggressive in posts like that, im sorry community.

Conner6764 votes

love this post, a while ago i posted something about my ban and why i thought it was dumb and i got no mercy. every1 just thought i was scum of the earth

This Is Your Dad1 votes

See you thinking your ban was dumb might be part of the reason why you were harassed. "Why can't I tell people to kill themselves?" "Freedom of speech, don't like it then suck it!" "Snowflakes need to mute me." That's not getting you any sympathy.

PersianShinobi1 votes

Sure, but turning around and saying "you're a toxic shit get the fuck out of the game and find a hobby, fucking loser" is just as toxic as what the OP got banned for in the first place.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

It depends on the post really. Most posts that deal with bans start with: "#$%$ Riot why are you catering to these ^%^@@% &%^@%^ &^#&%$. They can ^@%&@%& mute me you %^%^! This game has gone to shit and I'm going to make a new account and troll every single game since trolls never get banned!"

I can't reply to that with anything other than criticism. Sure I can say nothing at all, but that doesn't answer his question. If you ask why you were banned and then prove at the same time that you were banned because you are intolerant and vulgar.... what is there to peacefully tell you?

kile1471 votes

As far as I can tell from your post history the only time you mentioned bans you also voiced the opinion that verbal communication should not be a bannable offense, and that Riot should focus on banning people that "make others toxic". You are not scum of the earth for getting frustrated, but you don't help anyone by getting angry and it lessens everyone else's experience when someone is flaming in chat. Nobody "makes others toxic", they just do toxic or bad things themselves and each of us have the choice to respond appropriately or not.

Riot is trying to foster a more positive community where certain behavior is unacceptable. The point of the punishment system is to let people know they crossed a line. Flaming is part of that unacceptable behavior and Riot has shown you where the line is. You can choose to accept that, learn from it, and grow because of it or you can blame Riot for having bad rules.

Rengooo4 votes

Not going to lie, Riot employees don't help by commenting on what the person did wrong, it often just leads to more bashing of the op.

It should probably be dealt with away from the publics scrutiny (tickets or what ever they call them).

kile1472 votes

Riot rarely comments that on people who are actually looking to reform, that kind of comment is usually reserved for the "OMG I DID NOTHING WRONG AND RITO BANNED ME!!!1!" threads where the mob of commenters doesn't realize that this person is not telling the whole truth. I have never seen a Rioter call out a person who was actually honest about their situation and while it may not help the offender as much when they get called out publicly like that I think it shows the community as a whole that Riot does usually have good reasons for banning people.

Also worth noting they effectively chose a public trial, Riot doesn't do that unless that person chooses to make their case public.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

Thanks for this, Nami.

Jo0o3 votes

I'll try to be better =\

Rand0mH3r0X3 votes

You deserved to be banned. Is that out of line? What if there were listed reasons, A, B, and C?

I have seen unjustified bans over the years, and I have the riot support link memorized, and will direct players on how to appeal their punishment. The boards response time is very slow compared to the support ticket route.

Furthermore, I disagree with the notion that a player shouldn't feel ashamed for doing something wrong. Shame can help keep people civil. I won't even even pretend that bullying, flaming, and threats are shaming devices because those goes against the general rules of the boards.

The guidelines will need to be changed to reflect your thoughts, "insight into why players were punished" doesn't involve a tool to measure the amount "respect" to be shown at any point. I would argue to uphold the golden rule in this case since the amount of respect to show is not defined. Venting, ranting, shaming, are all forms of posting. As long as the posts adhere to the written guidelines, I don't believe that content should be formed using your specific methodology.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

This isn't about them being ashamed, it's about people harassing them with little or no intention of helping them; making them feel worse does not mean they are learning from the experience.

Rand0mH3r0X2 votes

Harassment is also against the rules on boards and in-game. I won't consider harassment a healthy expression of shame.

As outside people we cannot accurately predict the effect of words. Generally, if the punishment exceeds the offense, no nothing is really learned.

People shouldn't use this as an opportunity to vent their own issues against OPs, that's where I agree with you. Showing a level of hostility is detrimental, however, hospitality is not required (where I disagree).

Martensitic1 votes

Lets ignore for a second that they made countless others feel worse with their toxicity (because that's exactly the defense which toxics use in most of their threads)

I lurk in the behavior boards alot. And 99.99% of the comments I see in the usual "boohoo banned" threads, are perfectly reasonable responses. They are not insulting, they do not violate the rules of the boards.

Expressing support and happyness for a functional behavior control system is not insulting anyone.

Regarding the topic of "helpfulness":

Permabans are not issued with the intent to reform players. They are issued with the intent of safeguarding the community against toxic behavior.

Wiggle Dat Butt3 votes

I can't believe after having removed this toxic guy from arbiter status, that Riot caves in and gives it back to him when he never learned from his punishment. He constantly was a "yes man" to Riot and never disagreed with them. He never stopped trying to be a League Boards Hero even when he was instructed that he wasn't an arbiter and should stop it. I guess everyone has to have something to make them feel important once in their life, even though for most of us it's not a chat room.

ModUlanopo4 votes

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I can't believe after having removed this toxic guy from arbiter status, that Riot caves in and gives it back to him when he never learned from his punishment.

Actually, the exact opposite is true. DTN earned his position back by continuing to be a highly positive presence on the boards without any expectation that he would be reinstated. I was the one who lobbied for his return. Not him. He's an excellent role model for reform, one that many would do well to emulate.

Aptest3 votes

regardless, this post from DTN is IMHO a patronizing shitpost.

ModUlanopo3 votes

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I mean, seriously. What's so difficult about not being a jerk to people?

Aptest3 votes

my question exactly.

ModPrandine2 votes

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regardless, this post from DTN is IMHO a patronizing shitpost.

How so?

Aptest2 votes

It is patronizing because:

the "let me explain to you how things work and what you should do" expressed in the second paragraph. it is as if DTN knows better than us and is here to educate us on the proper ways of the forum.

"just a friendly reminder" that this kind of talking down to is by itself offensive.

"Maintain your dignity"? An assertion of moral superiority on the side of DTN: Specifically, an assertion that DTN stands in judgement of us. LOL.

It is a shit post because:

In reality the responses people who come here to bitch about getting bans get are quite acceptable. So actually this is just to raise some dust and ruffle feathers.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

Don't respond to it.

General Esdeath 2 votes

What if I tell them they deserved the ban, as in "You intentionally fed in over 10 games and told your top laner he was a useless n-word, you deserved it"?

Is that allowed or can I just not say "I'm glad you're banned"?

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

If it can be avoided, simply leaving out "you deserved it" is preferable. I think saying the punishment was legitimate or justified as long as you're explaining how is fine.

General Esdeath 2 votes

OK

Martensitic2 votes

Whether or not you think they deserve your respect, show it anyway.

Respect is something that is earned.

You aren't helping anyone by saying "I'm glad you got banned"

Toxics who got banned for toxicity are not helping anyone with their anti-riot outrages, their sob stories or their Lies about how they are innocent, when chat logs show otherwise.

It sucks watching someone get torn down by people that normally want to hel

It sucks getting games destroyed by toxics.

It sucks even more seeing these same toxics come on the boards and pretend to be innocent, lie about what they did, QQ, tell sob stories and fish for support and understanding, when all they gave the community, were insults, abuse and ruined games.

Scary Door1 votes

Pretty much this about 10,000%. Couldn't agree with you more.

Martensitic1 votes

Thanks. And don't worry about the PC crowd.

K0SMOS2 votes

I definetly agree. We should not beat a dead horse by shoving their ban in their face but rather help them improve to become a better person in turn making us better people as well.

ModFrom The Cosmos1 votes

There have been mistakes with banning in the past, so we cannot as a community collectively assume every person deserved it. Things you can do to be proactive and help with these discussion threads:

Refer them to player support so that they can have direct communication for Riot

Report posts that are defamatory and accusatory to allow moderators to take action

Converse about the issue neutrally and request full context and chat logs depending on the situation [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

This Is Your Dad1 votes

I try to do those things but when I explain to them why I think they were banned, they tell me I'm wrong. They come asking for appeals, not advice. We cannot give ban appeals. We can only give advice. If you tell someone to kill themselves in chat and ask to be unbanned because "Riot is a stupid company and full of pussies" what can we do?

LOSINGISMYPRIDE1 votes

upvote and where is the nami pick .

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

In the signature.

LOSINGISMYPRIDE1 votes

ahh that make sense .

Ht2D1 votes

I DESERVE TO BE BANNED FOR BEING A GIANT FEEDING RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT. IF ANY OF YOU EVER GET INTO A GAME WITH ME REPORT ME FOR BEINGA A GIANT PIECE OF SHIT BECAUSE THAT WHAT I AM

NinjaGuy691 votes

Thanks for listening. https://i.gyazo.com/60dae3aaeeb6bf71919cf40fc9e2213e.gif

When bae remembers to post her signature. FeelsAnimatedMan

Myrkrvaldyr1 votes

Nami, are you deeply terrified? or do you deeply terrify?

Siegfriedx11 votes

So this is the actual nami skin who is talking to us? Where is vandal vladimir? I think he is not around because he causes trouble.

EvilDustMan1 votes

I AM TRYING

Karn Bishop1 votes

If the thread they posted were genuinely asking why they were banned because they cannot figure it out from the chat logs i would be respectful, however the way most of them start these threads is downright hostile with comments like fk what other people think is toxic suck it up you **** and let me play while insulting you!

So i will NEVER be respectful to people who post a help thread in such a way and you cannot reasonably expect others to show them respect either, this is not a college campus where we are establishing "safe spaces" free from debate or differing opinions which is the purpose of such a campus so why would you want that..? but regardless no safe spaces for people that start out their thread as an attack to others i don't care what the reasoning is.

PersianShinobi1 votes

Thank you so much for posting this, it's always so frustrating coming to the boards and saying "Hey, this is why I got banned, what can I do better?" and having people tell me "Don't be such a toxic piece of shit" or something along those lines. It gets even worse when you point out that you just want to improve and ask them why they have to be hostile, as they usually tell you you don't deserve respect or something like that.

Scary Door1 votes

When someone posts a chatlog filled with racial slurs or wishing someone would kill themselves, I'm going to tell them that I'm glad they're banned. Because, frankly, I am glad that people like that are banned.

I was raised in an era where respect was something that you earned. I have no respect for people like that. I'm willing to be reasonable towards those that may have decided to "pop off" one day and lose it on someone, but I have zero tolerance for those that show complete disregard for others WITHOUT provocation.

Sometimes I do have respect for people to have the courage to come to this forum knowing that they've done something incredibly stupid but still posting their chat logs anyway. But that's about where the respect ends.

TL : DR - I'll respect those that deserve respect... racists/bigots do not deserve it.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

You don't have to be their friend, but you don't have to talk to them either.

Scary Door1 votes

People like the ones I mentioned either, a) know they're an asshole or b) are so unaware of their behavior that someone needs to tell them in the only language that they are capable of understanding.

Ever heard the expression that 'you cannot reason with the unreasonable'? I'm not saying I'm going to tell them to "kill themselves" or be the same type of dysfunctional human that they were, but I'm not going to be their buddy either... however you can take it to the bank that I will inform them of my opinion.

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