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The problem with league

Râmmus Bot··8 votes·654 views
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You can be hard carrying your team, and all it takes is a single person to decide they don't want you to win. That's it. You cant stop them. Riot wont punish them. You go into a 34 minute game just to watch it all get flushed down the drain because akali fed the morde (she would literally 1v1 dive him instead of waiting for help when she was already losing), then the top lane and mid lane duo, instead of backing off as you mass ping them, decide to funnel their way into the enemy team ALONE then buy 6 item 3070 We were literally about to win, all we had to do was group and they ignore me, die, then tell the enemy team to report ME. And because this is league of legends they all actually reported me because the feeder who bought 6 tears said so.

There is no where for me to go with this other than vent on the forum boards where people with valid points or arguments about the game are considered to be lower than the flaming troll trash that plays this game. Its always "dude your garbage unless your pro lcs challenger who can 1v9 carry blind folded".. God i hate this game but its not like i can just abandon it either after sinking about $500 into the game. I stopped buying skins awhile ago after one to many flaming trolls decided to ruin a game for me. I wish i never spent money on this trash game and i wont ever get my moneys worth from it.

18 Comments

Mus3 votes

The sad part is, I had a similar issue. Reported the player and found out the next day he was still playing and sadden me that someone like this player was still playing.

So I submitted a ticket about an hour afterwards and it took a few days for him to get punished, and he was the only one I reported in the last few days so thats how I know it was him, I don't really report toxic players since you can just mute them. Even though it took a few days. I'm glad he was punished because I helped prevent other players to have to suffer a 40 minute game with an inter.

My point is: People won't get punished unless they say something in chat by the automatic system. If its inting or griefing ban. A manual ticket review is needed and thats where support comes in.

Modi2 votes

My point is: People won't get punished unless they say something in chat by the automatic system. If its inting or griefing ban. A manual ticket review is needed and thats where support comes in.

That is incorrect. There is an automated system to punish inting, but it is not as advanced as the text-based chat system. In many posts here about that, Rioters have explained that they are still training the machine learning system to identify inting vs having a bad game. This means that to punish someone for inting, they would still need to have a person watch the game. Given the number of games that (likely) get reported for inting, they would have many, many games to watch. They just don't have the manpower to do so. It will get better as the machine learning system improves.

Mus1 votes

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That is incorrect. There is an automated system to punish inting, but it is not as advanced as the text-based chat system. In many posts here about that, Rioters have explained that they are still training the machine learning system to identify inting vs having a bad game. This means that to punish someone for inting, they would still need to have a person watch the game. Given the number of games that (likely) get reported for inting, they would have many, many games to watch. They just don't have the manpower to do so. It will get better as the machine learning system improves.

That is incorrect?

It takes one report to flag an account for review, so this "Given number of games that likely gets reported for inted" doesn't' really compute, unless there system can' t detect feeding. The thing is, There is no automated system to punish inting. Since the prime example was a streamer (Not naming because TOS reasons) not to long ago that got banned for going 1-1-1 on his livestream. Riot has also stated a couple times on Reddit that there automated system is pretty bad.

Also it doesn't hurt them to watch a game since its part of their job to look at games on a daily basis, whether its a report or not. It helps them improve the game. Its pretty easy to see if its a badgame vs a int game, you can just look at the players builds, summoners (Ghost/Clense), or even just not buying anything are common tactics for feeders.

If it takes this long for a machine to improve, then I probably won't trust the machine for a long time.

https://gyazo.com/dff23be8d044f77612f08fa103fda31e Ex. of a Int Game

Modi1 votes

Apologies for the misunderstanding, let me try to explain differently.

If their system is anything like the machine learning systems I am familiar with, then yes it does review and does pass judgement. All judgements are reviewed again by a human, though. The human provides feedback to the system, thus 'training' the system.

Being that it is still a new system, it needs lots of training. Since training involves a person watching the games, that means training is time consuming.

It's not that the system is bad, it is that it is young, so to speak. it needs more training, but it will get there.

What you can do to help, is to continue to report actual feeding. That way they can more quickly discern bad games/players vs inting.

Disclaimer: I am not a riot employee. I am, though, a software developer by profession. All of the examples are possibilities derived from either my work or what I have read on the subject.

ModUlanopo1 votes

If it takes this long for a machine to improve, then I probably won't trust the machine for a long time.

People who report poor play/getting outplayed as Intentional Feeding introduce noise into the dataset, which makes it harder to actually detect feeding.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

People who play bad end up feeding, if the system wants to find people who feed then reporting them wouldnt actually help the system? I am confused what you are trying to say

ModUlanopo1 votes

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People who play bad end up feeding, if the system wants to find people who feed then reporting them wouldnt actually help the system? I am confused what you are trying to say

There's a difference between intentional feeding and just feeding. The former is punishable. The latter is not.

Mindspeaker1 votes

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People who play bad end up feeding, if the system wants to find people who feed then reporting them wouldnt actually help the system? I am confused what you are trying to say

The first part of your sentence is incorrect. There is a difference between honestly dying and feeding.

Feeding is only used when its Intentional .

There is nothing wrong with someone honestly playing bad . ( for example playing a champ for the first time. Yes this can be done in ANY mode including ranked )

It s the people that get stressed out over a video game that report for "bad play" that screw up the system and make it harder to detect actual intentional feeding.

Not everyone that has "bad stats" at the end of the match actually intended that also there is nothing inherently wrong with having "bad stats" at the end of the match if someone was playing honestly.

Its the the toxic troll who get so salty over a video game and don't have the emotional control , anger management skills or even a proper realization of reality that throw temper tantrums and act out negativity INTENTIONALLY ruin games that is the problem.

General Esdeath 1 votes

I say just let people who are honor lv 4-5 watch the replays with chat logs.

Modi1 votes

Thank you for volunteering! I, for one, would not be as eager to give my free time away.

General Esdeath 1 votes

I feel you fam. Toxic premades are my bane, so season 6 was hell for me. Having to play through 10 games of flex ranked for gold 5 (I was placed there, wanted graves chroma) I can easily say that premades are one of the most toxic things in this game. Not saying all are bad, just a majority.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

If you can get a screen shot of their op.gg with their name and send it to Riot they might look into the game. I totally agree. IMO these are the kind of people that are 10x worse than toxic people. When you go into a game you're most likely playing to win, and yet 1 person can take that win away from the other 4 people who deserved to win.

Mus1 votes

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If you can get a screen shot of their op.gg with their name and send it to Riot they might look into the game. I totally agree. IMO these are the kind of people that are 10x worse than toxic people. When you go into a game you're most likely playing to win, and yet 1 person can take that win away from the other 4 people who deserved to win.

I agree. You can mute a toxic person You can't mute a feeder since they aren't hurting you verbally

OP.GG is good but I feel getting matches off the boards is alot better since they last longer and if you play a lot of games, the game can eventually disappered off op.gg

ShinkoMinori1 votes

Why would you go exhaust smite shyvanna on a ranked game...

Mus1 votes

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Why would you go exhaust smite shyvanna on a ranked game...

Its pretty common in low elo just to make ganks go easier. Some run ignite as well.

Râmmus Bot1 votes

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Why would you go exhaust smite shyvanna on a ranked game...

Better ganks and increased dueling power. Seems to have really worked out for me, also theres no need to bring flash on shyvanna when you have a ult that does the same thing, give you health, and damage that is up more often than flash

Miror B1 votes

The problem of course is that the opposite solution, having it so that teamwork actually wins games, would be bad if not worse than this. If they wanted to prevent 1-person sabotages and the so called "mid-lane tyler-juan strats", they'd need to heavily nerf damage across everything just to accomplish this, something that would not sit well with the majority of the playerbase (as they'd then complain about how tanks are "OP" and that "carries can't carry") and would not sit well with their viewership base who is according to them looks to be more focused on watching quantities of games over quality.

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