holy butts boards VOCAL MINIORTY =/= COMMUNITY

arc95·Apr 30, 2016·85 votes·3,127 views

commented this 100 times but

VOCAL MINORITY =/= COMMUNITY

such as Tyler 1

the COMMUNITY wants him banned the vocal minority on the boards who qq shit post and fill the front page by up voting each other and immeditly down voting others(who disagree) are NOT

same with champions

all the time you get 100-200 people qqing about a certain champ or item(doing what i described above) and they say they're the community opinion... NO

same went on with URF

people saying the community wanted urf then complained about urf...

NOPE it was 100-200 people just spam posting and upvoting each other the giant majority who like something aren't gonna comment/post about it

61 Comments

TokogawarufApr 30, 201615 votes

Thanks for making this post. Sometimes People need reminders for the most obvious things. This really helped clear my view once again.

MasochistApr 30, 201615 votes

Same with Dynamic Queue. lol

arc95Apr 30, 201614 votes

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Same with Dynamic Queue. lol

yep... I personally love dynamic queue(it needs tuning and improvements no doubt) but its the better system

however a pretty large amount of the community doesn't like dynamic its bigger than a vocal minority(pros/ content creators all complaining about it too now)

YumaS2AstralMay 1, 20165 votes

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yep... I personally love dynamic queue(it needs tuning and improvements no doubt) but its the better system

however a pretty large amount of the community doesn't like dynamic its bigger than a vocal minority(pros/ content creators all complaining about it too now)

I personally don't care about Dynamic Queue. However, it is inferior to the old system.

SnowplosionMay 1, 201612 votes

Dynamic Queue for sure needs fixing, but there is large vocal group (still a minority) that just complains to all living hell about.

Troll for TrumpMay 1, 20165 votes

Not minority.

LeetriMay 1, 20164 votes

Until you get over 30 million people complaining, it's a minority of the community.

T RexHasTinyArmsMay 1, 20161 votes

So wouldn't that mean all boards opinions are vocal minorities and not community opinion?

Troll for TrumpMay 1, 20161 votes

BUt not over 30 million people support Dynamic queue.

So..

MettanoiaMay 1, 20162 votes

how would you know? every one who like the new system said how much they liked it when it first came out then stopped making threads about it. you hardly ever make threads about something you love, over, and over, and over, and over. now if you hated something that is completely reasonable if you're trying to get it changed. you get it?

Troll for TrumpMay 1, 20162 votes

Then how would they know that not over 30 million people are complaining about Dyna queue?

If a minority hate something they make threads about it which appear for a while, in somewhat small amounts. There is a large number of posts, which receive large amounts of support consistently(almost daily basis).

If a minority hated it, it wouldn't be that frequent and supported.

Got it?

LeetriMay 2, 20161 votes

Say there's 1000 people who hate Dynamic Queue out of the ~65 million or whatever players there are. The same 1000 people upvote and comment on every single Dynamic Queue Hate post, making it APPEAR that a lot of people support that opinion, but it is in fact a minuscule minority barely worth considering at all. Basically, just because it has some upvotes doesn't mean it's a popular opinion. All the people who are happy with Dynamic Queue have no reason to go to the boards to complain or argue about it. And even if they did, the vocal minority has made it clear that it's not okay to like Dynamic Queue here and downvote anything even remotely supporting it.

Troll for TrumpMay 2, 20161 votes

Say there are 1000 people on the boards. 700 of them hate dyna queue and 300 like it. 300 upvotes is outscaled by 700 downvotes.

If the dyna q support gets downvoted that means people don't SHARE THE MINDSET. Meaning majority hates dynaq

LeetriMay 3, 20161 votes

No, in your example that means the majority of the minority that is the boards community hates it. Even the most upvoted post ever only has 3.5K upvotes, which is not even a drop in the ocean compared to ~65 million players. The boards will never be the majority in anything, since not even half of a half of a percent come here (it's something like 0.0008%). The boards is an echo chamber, the few people who post very often and VERY loudly have decided what everyone else should think, and people who don't agree get downvoted.

Troll for TrumpMay 4, 20161 votes

Representative Sample.

MasochistMay 6, 20161 votes

Wrong. It is not a representative sample. lol

MasochistMay 1, 20164 votes

Yeah, a very obvious minority. Sorry, dude.

Kat GoddessMay 1, 20163 votes

Off topic, but I saw your name, and I wondered, do you play ADC?

Troll for TrumpMay 1, 20162 votes

A very obvious majority in a given sample.

MasochistMay 4, 20161 votes

In a sample of - the boards. But that's it. That's all. The forums. This is your sample, and it is a tiny minority compared to the millions who play the game on a daily basis.

Troll for TrumpMay 4, 20161 votes

It's a representative sample. Like how Riot only surveyed select numbers of people.

It's just a sample doesn't represent everyone. But the sample provides enough data.

It's sorta like a census, where you find the average number of residents in a certain measured area, and then multiply it by the amount of area in the corresponding state to get a estimate of the population.

MasochistMay 5, 20161 votes

It is NOT a representative sample. It is only a sample of the boards, and only a particular type of person visits the boards.

The League of Legends forums are not any sort of sample size to accurately gauge anything based on the tiny population of the boards and the immense population of active players of League of Legends.

You're reaching real far to make whatever sway people on the boards might have anything more than people on the boards whinging about things they don't like.

Troll for TrumpMay 5, 20162 votes

"I disagree with what you said" "omg you're whining you are just gathering resentment, you're opinion is invalid no matter what support you have"

Basically you are saying anything on here, or reddit should not be listened to, no matter what reasoning, logic, or statistics are used.

Ok.

MasochistMay 6, 20161 votes

Lol, no. How simple can you possibly be?

What I'm saying is that the people on the boards pretend they are a majority - even you try to justify this by saying the boards are a representative sample of anything.

You provided no facts or statistics, and your logic was faulty.

The boards and Reddit should be listened to, but they need to realize they will forever be a minority and the people visiting those places and their opinions don't carry the weight they seem to think they're entitled to.

Troll for TrumpMay 6, 20161 votes

What I'm saying is that the people on the boards pretend they are a majority - even you try to justify this by saying the boards are a representative sample of anything.

Ok, here we go again. Here's another analogy.

You take a piece of bread, you slice off a chunk of said bread and look at it's compounds to determine the composition of the bread slice from which the bread chunk came from.

You provided no facts or statistics, and your logic was faulty.

I'm saying you'd refute anything that was posted on the boards, no matter what the content. That's naive.

Individuals do not carry much weight with their own opinion, but when a large enough number of those individuals band together, their opinion should probably be looked into.

MasochistMay 7, 20161 votes

No, I wouldn't refute anything posted on the boards. I am simply refuting that this is NOT a representative sample and you do NOT represent my opinions, or the opinions of the millions of other people playing this game.

A "large enough" number of those individuals isn't more than one or two hundred here, from what I've seen on the boards.

Their opinions should be looked into, but how much weight those opinions carry is an entirely different matter.

You're saying I'd do anything to refute what is said on the boards, and it seems you would do anything to legitimize it. If Riot listened to the boards mob, I'm not sure we'd have as popular of a video game as we have now. Sorry, bub.

Your analogies are stupid, by the way.

Troll for TrumpMay 7, 20161 votes

Yes,and Riot's crazy antics of ignoring everything other than the board(they ignore PBE feedback too, and Reddit even sometimes gets the boot).

Yes it does represent it fine. It's not even close to a few hundred. More like a few thousand.

A sample of a few thousand is sufficient.

MasochistMay 7, 20161 votes

LOL A sample of a few thousand.

Let's assume, your few thousand is ten thousand - it's probably more, but not every one of the forum goers, like myself, is against dynamic queue.

That is 0.016666666666667% of 60,000,000, slightly higher than the average concurrent player base of 28,000,000.

Your sample size is completely and totally meaningless. Sorry, dude, but nothing is going to convince me otherwise. The truth is always self evident, and it's right in front of your face regardless of whether or not you choose to ignore it.

Vistha KaiMay 7, 20161 votes

People who don't vote durning elections don't count.

DrCyanideMay 1, 20161 votes

5 times as many people are complaining about Tyler1 being banned than complained about Dynamic Queue on these boards. If your claiming that the Dynamic Queue complaints aren't a minority, then literally everyone must want Tyler1 to go free.

Troll for TrumpMay 1, 20162 votes

That's because Tyler went on his twitch to show it to his fanbase.

DrCyanideMay 2, 20161 votes

And what high-elo steamer hasn't complained about Dynamic Queue on stream? Shouldn't posts on the subject get the same treatment, if not worse because more streamers are against it?

Troll for TrumpMay 2, 20161 votes

Yes, high elo streamers do complain about it; And that brings more people to hate on it. But what Tyler1 did was ACTUALLY bring up the exact post, and provide the URL of Socrates's post about banning Talon. Because he gave the post, his twitch supporters all jumped on the post. While high-elo streamers do complain about it, they don't post any of the Boards post that were made by Riot about dyna queue. Not the exact post at least.

Karn BishopMay 2, 20161 votes

When even content creators are having issues it ceases to be a minority issue, nobody is saying dynamic queue is bad we are saying that it is not a true ranked experience and want a True solo Q system.

If dynamic queue fails after that then oh well it just goes to show it was a failed idea, riot has removed game modes before for that exact reason so why does their special little dynamic queue get a pass?

heck look at dota, they made a dynamic + true solo work, or are you saying riot is inferior to the dota team and can never measure up to their greatness?

MasochistMay 4, 20161 votes

Lol, are you kidding me? Content creators are an even smaller minority than people on the boards.

I'm not saying anything other than people on the boards have a massive sense of superiority and expect to be catered to. Just how video game forum goers always feel.

DeadlyStalkerApr 30, 20166 votes

I can agree that the people who wanted URF were playing URF 24/7. While the people who didn't like it started making post literally 1 minute after it came back up.

Malicious FuryMay 1, 20164 votes

Let's not forget the Boards community does not equal the LOL community either. We're 0.001% or less of the community. Which makes the fan base of Tyler1, let's say ummm....0.00000000something percent...

arc95May 1, 20162 votes

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Let's not forget the Boards community does not equal the LOL community either. We're 0.001% or less of the community. Which makes the fan base of Tyler1, let's say ummm....0.00000000something percent...

ya i put the actual percent in one of my older posts but that is close^.^

sad that i have had to make more than one of these posts though

PennsApr 30, 20163 votes

Whats the point of this thread, everyone saying anything positive about tyler1 is instantly downvoted anyway minus the orignial Rito post lol.

arc95Apr 30, 20164 votes

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Whats the point of this thread, everyone saying anything positive about tyler1 is instantly downvoted anyway minus the orignial Rito post lol.

its more than Tyler1 people state that the Community thinks something because of a few boards post all the time when again it just the vocal minority

think Yasuo a few months ago... if they vocal minority( i.e boards front page)had their way he woulda been gutted and have a 0% win rate right now

and that really goes for any assassin

MettanoiaMay 1, 20161 votes

dont forget about leesin, vayne and kalista. and i'm sure there's someone else i'm forgetting

Nik NikersonMay 3, 20162 votes

You forgot every champion that anyone has ever lost to.

DehitayMay 1, 20163 votes

Using the Tyler1 ban thread to describe the general boards playerbase is like using the nazi party to describe the Germans. Have you ever seen over 2000 votes on any thread either way? That's obviously just the result of a raid. The boards themselves are generally a pretty accurate representation of the playerbase. Nothing but 100% of the community would actual "=" community. Everything else is a subsection.

DrCyanideMay 1, 20161 votes

"3 refunds per season" and "An open letter to Parents of League of Legends players" both got there pretty fast.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you about it being a raid. The difference is those posts hit those vote counts in a few days/weeks, while Tyler1's hit -3,000 in one day.

TheVishualMay 1, 20162 votes

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commented this 100 times but

VOCAL MINORITY =/= COMMUNITY

such as Tyler 1

the COMMUNITY wants him banned the vocal minority on the boards who qq shit post and fill the front page by up voting each other and immeditly down voting others(who disagree) are NOT

same with champions

all the time you get 100-200 people qqing about a certain champ or item(doing what i described above) and they say they're the community opinion... NO

same went on with URF

people saying the community wanted urf then complained about urf...

NOPE it was 100-200 people just spam posting and upvoting each other the giant majority who like something aren't gonna comment/post about it

the only people upvoting tyler1 are like 12 years old... the rest of the boards community actually has some valid points alot of the time