Supports abandoning bot lane...wtf???

Aerki Jyr·Mar 23, 2016·2 votes·4,433 views

The last 4 out of 5 games I've had a support abandon bot lane after a single turret was down or even before. We were at least moderately winning lane each time, then it all goes to hell. Can't cs 1v2 and often I get overrun underneath my own turret. I know some people don't want to support, but this is unacceptable. They're throwing games to go chase kills or whatever they think they're doing. I can't play 1v2 if the other guys are even half good, and these are ranked games. Other than not play adc, what the hell am I supposed to do? Is anyone else experiencing this problem?

74 Comments

MegaManYYZMar 23, 201618 votes

supports are suppose to roam to help affect other lanes, they aren't solely there to hold the ADC's hand. happens in higher level games too.

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20162 votes

Tell that to the other teams then, because their support sticks with the adc and I either have to abandon turrets our get overrun.

MegaManYYZMar 23, 20167 votes

how about you don't take TP as your 2nd summoner.

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20161 votes

What does that have to do with anything?

MegaManYYZMar 23, 20164 votes

that you clearly need a babysitter, where you should be taking a 2nd defensive summoner like heal or exhaust.

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20161 votes

Odd how I usually win or go even in lane. Maybe it's because I don't sit in lane under half health when I can just take a quick back and fully heal. Honestly, I am so sick of you meta trolls. You don't care what works or not, you just hold to your meta 'religion' and it makes me sick.

FlleshMar 23, 20166 votes

ur upset because a support is not following ur meta of staying with the adc, while at the same time saying you are sick of meta trolls....

here is also a thought, a support is not just your support, if they decide as an individual person who can make rational decisions that you are not as worth supporting vs another lane they are allowed to make that choice...more so if you lost tower and they dont have that protection, and i bet the enemy jg was involved somehow.... not everyone can be as good at the game as you and win or at least go even in lane while losing towers....

so us poor, sometimes squishy supports go to other lanes to see if we can help change the outcome of the game we just saw for the last 10 mins.... sometimes we just want to stop dying

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20162 votes

Who said anything about losing towers? I said TAKING towers. And the support is there to assist the team. Letting the ADC get behind in farm or poached in ganks doesn't accomplish that. I have literally been under OUR tower trying to farm and get dove by the opposite pair and killed. So if my support abandons me I either have to choose between no more cs, try to steal some from other lanes, or stand my ground and maybe feed. All because the support wouldn't stay on my wing when the OTHER SUPPORT does stay with their adc.

MegaManYYZMar 23, 20163 votes

i would dive anyone without a 2nd defensive or offensive summoner too. all day, easy kill. ignite, heal or exhaust are all better options than TP.

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20161 votes

Consider this. Fight, trade, no kills, both sides reduced to half health. I tele back, get full health, then I push you out of lane. It's situational, but it can be an advantage.

MegaManYYZMar 23, 20163 votes

for 1 wave? cool

the fear of trying to tower dive someone when they still have summoners up is way more important.

FlleshMar 23, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aerki Jyr,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9OTt28MM,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-23T22:48:02.540+0000)

Who said anything about losing towers? I said TAKING towers. And the support is there to assist the team. Letting the ADC get behind in farm or poached in ganks doesn't accomplish that. I have literally been under OUR tower trying to farm and get dove by the opposite pair and killed. So if my support abandons me I either have to choose between no more cs, try to steal some from other lanes, or stand my ground and maybe feed. All because the support wouldn't stay on my wing when the OTHER SUPPORT does stay with their adc.

well, u did... u brought up that:

The last 4 out of 5 games I've had a support abandon bot lane after a single turret was down

u never said the enemy turret, same idea though, bot lane now has a tower down, so roaming is a great idea to help push other towers down while the increased minions push... this means the minions will push by themselves, u taking cs will push em even more, this means u are more exposed to ganks and being killed, ur not playing under ur tower..... so which is it?

Can't cs 1v2 and often I get overrun underneath my own turret.

the support is there to assist the team... ur right about that the adc getting being in farm or getting poached in ganks would be the adc's fault... wards, and last hitting... roam urself, you dont have to stay bot lane just because u started there

we have all be dove under tower by 2+ enemies... its a good strat that works.... a great counter to this are wards, roaming, itemization, and backing if your hp or mana are too low for example, sometimes even with the best intentions we will die under tower... it will happen, accept that, learn from it if you can, dont blame anyone, and keep on going....

anything else i can give you my opinion about?

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20161 votes

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well, u did... u brought up that:

u never said the enemy turret, same idea though, bot lane now has a tower down, so roaming is a great idea to help push other towers down while the increased minions push... this means the minions will push by themselves, u taking cs will push em even more, this means u are more exposed to ganks and being killed, ur not playing under ur tower..... so which is it?

the support is there to assist the team... ur right about that the adc getting being in farm or getting poached in ganks would be the adc's fault... wards, and last hitting... roam urself, you dont have to stay bot lane just because u started there

we have all be dove under tower by 2+ enemies... its a good strat that works.... a great counter to this are wards, roaming, itemization, and backing if your hp or mana are too low for example, sometimes even with the best intentions we will die under tower... it will happen, accept that, learn from it if you can, dont blame anyone, and keep on going....

anything else i can give you my opinion about?

Wards don't stop tower dives. Think about what you are saying and how stupid it is.

FlleshMar 23, 20162 votes

im sorry you disagree with my comments, im also sorry you did not tell me why you thought my other options did not apply... wards help stop ganks of 2v1 because then you can see them coming, if they come you leave, or move far enough away to have the turret help u, you are an adc who is winning lane you said... so you have wave clear, kill minions so turret targets champions, if for some reason you are unable to defend yourself or attack the enemy then yes, leave... not giving an enemy a kill and an assit is worth a lot that is not shown in stats

also, did you ever ask your support polity, before you died to come back, or did you expect them to just know... we are not as good as you i have mentioned.... we could use communication

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20161 votes

You're misunderstanding. I'm not talking about getting ganked. I'm talking about their adc and sup both staying in lane. I can see them both, so wards aren't an issue. Sometimes the jg will come down and make it 3v1, but 2v1 is enough. Depending on who their support is, you can't farm. Take a blitz. You can't farm with him there, he just runs around the side and pulls. Same with thresh and others. So you back up under your turret and hold out...except if they have cc you're usually toast. So you either abandon your cs and give them a free turret, or stay and try to hold out...all because your support is out playing in other lanes and given away the advantage you won bot lane.

FlleshMar 23, 20161 votes

well, i think this might be above my head then, and i will politely back out of the conversation, im sorry if i brought more confusion to it, im still learning

Utility BacklineMar 23, 20165 votes

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Tell that to the other teams then, because their support sticks with the adc and I either have to abandon turrets our get overrun.

I've been diamond since season 3 and even in season 1 I was never silver. Nothing would make me happier than to see an adc running Teleport. No shit the enemy support doesn't leave lane, he sees a scrub 20ft in front of him.

Close this thread. Make me some biscuits as well.

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20161 votes

Apparently diamond isn't that big a deal, because you don't understand game dynamics. Tele keeps you in lane more, so higher cs and keeps your turret up longer. If you're a diving adc then heal is better, but if you're more reserved tele is a plus. You can get back, fully heal, then tele to lane(with items) and get back in the fight. It's called game dynamics, and is beside the point of this thread. Heal or exhaust isn't going to save you in a 1v2 if your support goes awol.

Utility BacklineMar 23, 20167 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aerki Jyr,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9OTt28MM,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2016-03-23T22:50:39.819+0000)

Apparently diamond isn't that big a deal, because you don't understand game dynamics. Tele keeps you in lane more, so higher cs and keeps your turret up longer. If you're a diving adc then heal is better, but if you're more reserved tele is a plus. You can get back, fully heal, then tele to lane(with items) and get back in the fight. It's called game dynamics, and is beside the point of this thread. Heal or exhaust isn't going to save you in a 1v2 if your support goes awol.

Heal absolutely can and will save you while you are under your tower 2v1. Teleport is a garbage spell if your sole purpose to to use it to return to lane after you went shopping. Its long been proven that Teleport being used for cross map ganks and ease of split pushing are the only two reasons to run that spell.

Close this thread, your op.gg profile isn't making the case for you. I am a superior player, and an amazing support. You can't step to me. Biscuits. Now.

Look Ma No PeelMar 23, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aerki Jyr,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9OTt28MM,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2016-03-23T22:50:39.819+0000)

Apparently diamond isn't that big a deal, because you don't understand game dynamics. Tele keeps you in lane more, so higher cs and keeps your turret up longer. If you're a diving adc then heal is better, but if you're more reserved tele is a plus. You can get back, fully heal, then tele to lane(with items) and get back in the fight. It's called game dynamics, and is beside the point of this thread. Heal or exhaust isn't going to save you in a 1v2 if your support goes awol.

Exhaust very well may save you from a dive. Slows them in turret range as they hit you, makes them take more damage by lowering resists combined with the slow makes more turret shots count and lessens the damage they cause to you. Quite easily they best spell to 1v2 with. Now if you don't know how to kite under/around the turret when dove that is another matter entirely and no Summoner Spell will help you. The fact of the matter is Teleport is a lack luster spell for an ADC. You get back to lane fast once every 300 seconds. Heal will give you (and someone around you) a burst of health and movement speed every 240 seconds. Exhaust will both boost your damage and lessen their damage every 210 seconds. Both of these options are available more often and have a much larger utility range than Teleport.

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20161 votes

Exhaust doesn't boost your damage. It lowers theirs. Get a clue.

Look Ma No PeelMar 23, 20164 votes

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Exhaust doesn't boost your damage. It lowers theirs. Get a clue.

Ahem, from the league wiki. "Exhaust is a targeted Summoner spell that affects enemy champions. It reduces their movement speed and attack speed by 30%, their armor and magic resistance by 10, and their damage dealt by 40% for 2.5 seconds." It reduces their armor/MR increasing the damage they take. And what do you know, that increases your damage to them.

Jo0oMar 23, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aerki Jyr,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9OTt28MM,comment-id=000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2016-03-23T23:04:17.386+0000)

Exhaust doesn't boost your damage. It lowers theirs. Get a clue.

It does both.

MasterSomethingMar 23, 20161 votes

...Did you even read properly? It lowers resistances and therefore raises your damage. How... just... how...

Linna ExcelMar 23, 20163 votes

There's this too, but not all supports are roamers and there are good times and bad times to roam.

Rem Was HereMar 23, 20168 votes

It's called Roaming, not sure if you heard of it..

Kim Chi VendorMar 23, 20166 votes

I'm a supp main who usually roams once a game to gank mid. If I am roaming a lot it's because the adc is low skill / low knowledge and his playstyle is irritating me. Make sure you know how to harass after your supp makes a good play. Don't push the lane too hard in norms cause it gets boring for the supp and low ELO games aren't about making him lose CS under the turret.

If your supp pokes a lot like Zyra or brand don't go all in every time the supp pokes, this will get me roaming like no other. You're supposed to be able to 2v1 and cs under the tower it's easy, let the tower shoot the minion 2x, then cs the minion.

ReadySetJettMar 23, 20164 votes

There's a difference between abandoning and roaming. Supports (generally) try to help anyone they can. Quite frankly, they aren't ADC slaves. That being said, leaving your adc for dead is a no-no. You can roam smart and dumb. Smart is going for a gank and coming back. Dumb is just leaving.

Jo0oMar 23, 20164 votes

I'm occasionally forced to abandon my ADC entirely as support if they're utterly incompetent. I can't really justify it during laning, but by mid-game, I'll just follow mid or jungle. Not necessarily saying you're incompetent, but if your supports think so, that may be why.

Otherwise, yeah, roaming. If the laning phase is done, I'll often want my ADC to solo-CS to get more experience, assuming the enemy bot laners aren't harassing him. If my ADC just wants to farm, he should ward and defend himself. Sitting around as his bodyguard, collecting 1 gold per minion thanks to Bandit, isn't a good use of my time.

501d7iOZiiMar 23, 20165 votes

I've been mainly sup since I started playing. I would never leave a decent adc if there were baddies nearby to fight. If you're 2v1 and your sup chooses to be elsewhere.... maybe you aren't as good as you think.

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20162 votes

If we're winning or going even in lane, then I'm not incompetent. And how is the adc supposed to get kills 1v2? You want to get the adc fed, both in cs and kills. Leaving them alone is just dumb. I play support as much as ADC, and I will NOT abandon lane. I will gank occasionally, then circle back before the ADC can get in trouble. Leaving them alone bot against 2 opponents, or 3 of their jg is onto it, is reckless.

Utility BacklineMar 23, 20164 votes

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If we're winning or going even in lane, then I'm not incompetent. And how is the adc supposed to get kills 1v2? You want to get the adc fed, both in cs and kills. Leaving them alone is just dumb. I play support as much as ADC, and I will NOT abandon lane. I will gank occasionally, then circle back before the ADC can get in trouble. Leaving them alone bot against 2 opponents, or 3 of their jg is onto it, is reckless.

You claim to be winning your lane or at the very least going even... so why is it that in your last 5 games (all of which you lost) have you only purchased ONE pink ward in FIVE games, not 1 pink ward each game, but one pink ward total. YUCK. Biscuits.

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20161 votes

Are you high? Do you really think a pink ward does any thing when you can already see your opponents? You're just another meta junkie ignoring the subject and picking out a violation of your meta religion. Thus I am automatically wrong on everything because I didn't do as the meta says. Pathetic.

Utility BacklineMar 23, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aerki Jyr,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9OTt28MM,comment-id=0007000100000000,timestamp=2016-03-23T23:06:15.527+0000)

Are you high? Do you really think a pink ward does any thing when you can already see your opponents? You're just another meta junkie ignoring the subject and picking out a violation of your meta religion. Thus I am automatically wrong on everything because I didn't do as the meta says. Pathetic.

The Meta isn't a religion, its a contract you've made with your ego. Since you don't play by the meta, you don't climb. Don't hate the players that climb because they follow the meta. Also, I didn't follow the meta at all last season and I ended Diamond 3. I played Soraka and only used the summoner spells Heal and Clarity under the summoner name Soraka Heal Clar. So don't talk to me about not following the meta, I broke it and smashed your pitiful silver elo out of the water.

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You never buying pink wards that can 1) counter 1 or more enemy wards and earn you cash while denying them vision is why valuable 2) They stay til they are destroyed so you can pink your tri and have safe ward coverage for the duration of your 1v2 3) You don't ward therefore you aren't assisting your lane mate in the vision game, a good reason to abandon you, you aren't a team player.

2-0

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=aerkijyr

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Now fix me some biscuits. You don't have a chance against me. You never provide any value in your responses and I keep smashing you the way I'm going to smash those tasty biscuits. Stay mad.

Look Ma No PeelMar 23, 20161 votes

You, I like you. item 2054 Have a biscuit.

Utility BacklineMar 23, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Look Ma No Peel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9OTt28MM,comment-id=000700010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-23T23:21:40.535+0000)

You, I like you. Have a biscuit.

Thanks! Om nom nom

Steve SpurrierMar 24, 20162 votes

Can I join in? Oh and good job on this thread btw.

TheEvilQueen135Mar 23, 20161 votes

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The Meta isn't a religion, its a contract you've made with your ego. Since you don't play by the meta, you don't climb. Don't hate the players that climb because they follow the meta. Also, I didn't follow the meta at all last season and I ended Diamond 3. I played Soraka and only used the summoner spells Heal and Clarity under the summoner name Soraka Heal Clar. So don't talk to me about not following the meta, I broke it and smashed your pitiful silver elo out of the water.

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You never buying pink wards that can 1) counter 1 or more enemy wards and earn you cash while denying them vision is why valuable 2) They stay til they are destroyed so you can pink your tri and have safe ward coverage for the duration of your 1v2 3) You don't ward therefore you aren't assisting your lane mate in the vision game, a good reason to abandon you, you aren't a team player.

2-0

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=aerkijyr

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Now fix me some biscuits. You don't have a chance against me. You never provide any value in your responses and I keep smashing you the way I'm going to smash those tasty biscuits. Stay mad.

not to mention no ward means tops with tele can't get to a sneaky place by lane to gank from

LyndrisMar 24, 20161 votes

May i state he didnt even upgrade his trinket either?

Jo0oMar 23, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aerki Jyr,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9OTt28MM,comment-id=0007000100000000,timestamp=2016-03-23T23:06:15.527+0000)

Are you high? Do you really think a pink ward does any thing when you can already see your opponents? You're just another meta junkie ignoring the subject and picking out a violation of your meta religion. Thus I am automatically wrong on everything because I didn't do as the meta says. Pathetic.

It's hard not to nitpick your match history for indicators of poor play, though. See, speaking as a support and as the friend of supports, we will stick like glue to a good ADC. That's kinda our thing. You're describing not an isolated incident but a CHRONIC problem of supports leaving your side. And as I stated previously, supports leave ADCs that they lose faith in.

Now, you haven't volunteered any explanations from the absent supports in these games, so we're left to speculate. Four supports in five games have left you. Assuming these were five different players, the only common element is your playing ADC and them playing Support. It's reasonable to suggest that they may feel that you're failing them.

Utility BacklineMar 23, 20165 votes

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It's hard not to nitpick your match history for indicators of poor play, though. See, speaking as a support and as the friend of supports, we will stick like glue to a good ADC. That's kinda our thing. You're describing not an isolated incident but a CHRONIC problem of supports leaving your side. And as I stated previously, supports leave ADCs that they lose faith in.

Now, you haven't volunteered any explanations from the absent supports in these games, so we're left to speculate. Four supports in five games have left you. Assuming these were five different players, the only common element is your playing ADC and them playing Support. It's reasonable to suggest that they may feel that you're failing them.

If you check his op.gg (I linked above) you can see in all of his losing streak games he did have a different support each game. Its not just coincidence. I can safely speculate he is a classic case of the "I'm anti meta but I demand you all play accordingly".

Verbally abuses supports when they can't win 2v2's even those he's the one handicapping them with TP
Tower falls and he never buys wards to make up for the added distance and added fog of war
Support likely tired of getting smashed 2v2 cause of tp now goes and roams
He cries and won't even make biscuits.

ShonjlMar 24, 20163 votes

"Wahhh, they are saying I messed up but I am me and I am awesome, surely they are wrong and stupid for thinking I wasn't good and carrying the game when I was actually feeding"

Is literally all I get coming from you. You lost dude, suck it up, get better, and shut up.

SanguinelyMar 23, 20163 votes

After a single turret is down in bot lane, laning phase is over for a support, if your tower is down, they can go roaming mid while you farm safely under tower while they have to overextend to get to you, if theirs is down you can stay and farm because of having a safe tower space but with them not having a tower to kill minions you have more lane pressure and can come up mid with a support while they roam around, generally they shouldn't abandon bot completely but honestly after a tower goes down either side they have free range to move around the map more and give the whole team more presence

Look Ma No PeelMar 23, 20162 votes

Here's the thing, if your turret is down leave the lane to go pressure another lane and then come back when the wave is pushed into your turret. If they insist on staying down in bot lane that leaves you and the rest of your team to 3v5 (at most) in another lane and push it faster/get some kills. A good support will go to where they can get the team ahead the best once their T1 is down, not sit in bot lane and babysit the adc who doesn't want to use a team advantage.

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20161 votes

How then do you suggest the ADC get farm? Steal it from other lanes? Leaving lane for a minute or two is one thing. Leaving and not coming back at all is what I'm talking about.

Look Ma No PeelMar 23, 20161 votes

The local gold from getting towers and assist/kill gold should make up for a couple lost waves of CS. Transitioning and abusing team advantages quickly when the other team is tunneling on farming is a good way to just snowball the game. 125g per tower adds up quickly as well as the kill/assist gold. Sorry I don't have hard numbers for those awards. Roaming back bot to clear the tower should give you even more of a gold advantage over the other adc/supp combo who refused to leave bot.

Aerki JyrMar 23, 20161 votes

Roaming is fine. I'm talking about straight up ABANDONING the lane and not coming back.

Look Ma No PeelMar 23, 20161 votes

Abandoning a lane is sometimes the cost to win the game. You don't need all turrets up if you have pushed to their nexus. Learn when to leave lane and join the team. Always abuse a numbers advantage to take objectives (turrets, dragon, rift herald, baron, etc.) CS isn't the all important goal, though having enough of it is. Checking your match history idk why you're so worried about CS when the only time you broke 200 cs was in a 52 minute game and had 280 cs. By 52 minutes you should have closer to 400 cs with roaming. This is seeming more and more to be an issue with player judgement.

Aerki JyrMar 24, 20161 votes

Checking my match history shows you the games where the support abandoned bot lane. That's WHY the cs is so low. You just made my point but went the opposite way with it.