Where is the teamwork?

Mandalorian 117··2 votes·341 views

Look, I love this game very much, and even though the current meta isn't the best, I do believe riot will make it better.

That being said, I'm having a hard time enjoying some of my games because of the severe lack of teamwork. Recently I have been pinging how many times I needed help or that me (and possibly my partner if I'm at bot) are stuck under tower. However, mid and jungle constantly come to lane and demolish me and for whatever reason they say it's my fault that I'm dying. Later on in team fights I feel like the entire enemy team focuses me and everyone is focusing on the tanks or supports instead of damage dealers. Then they say it's my fault for dying again. Half the time it is my fault, but the other half feels like I just got ganged up on and nobody cared about helping me.

I try to make call outs and try to give strategies, but I feel like nobody is listening to me. I really try to be as friendly as I can in all of my matches but it ends the same. To make it worse, it also seems like the enemy team is well coordinated. They look like a team while we just keep splitting up. That's the main problem I'm having with the game. Nobody is listening or working with each other and when we lose it's everyone's fault but their own. Really because this a problem with the community and not the game itself, I don't know how to fix this.

I don't know what the point of this was. I actually felt like stopping several times and keeping quiet, but I still wanted to say what the main problem with the game is to me.

7 Comments

HalcyonDweller2 votes

To get people to listen to you, you first have to win their respect. You can do this by being polite and thoughtful in how you ask for help... unless they're arrogant or toxic people - in which case the only way to get that respect is to play well and not lose.

Good luck.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

That's my problem I try to be as polite as possible, but It doesn't always work. As for the other, that is prety 50/50. Sometimes I do ok, sometimes I do terrible. Thanks though.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

One thing that might help if you don't already do it is to take advantage of verb tense to guide discussions in more productive directions. A lot of the time that people act toxic, they are focusing in the past tense to lay blame at people's feet or present tense to imply insulting qualities about a person. If you can keep the conversation moving in the future tense, it can often circumvent a lot of the blaming and arguing that gets in the way.

For example, "Can you gank for me soon? I need to get an advantage over this opponent." Instead of, "pls gank I've been ganked like a bajillion times by them." The reason for this is that the first statement is more focused on future, while the latter statement implies that your jungler did not measure up to the enemy jungler in terms of pressure.

If a person tries to incite a blame game or a flame war with you, talk about future decisions rather than about what already happened. Like if they say, "you fed" or "you picked stupid champ" you can say, "That can't be changed, let's focus on what we can do. We should do X to accomplish Y which will contribute to winning the game."

If you want a deeper analysis on how verb tense affects discussions feel free to let me know, I can paste a blurb or provide references to help.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

I never thought of it like that. That's very smart. thanks.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Haha thanks! But all credit goes to Jay Heinrich (he wrote the book I read that taught me this), or maybe to the ancient Greek philosophers who developed a lot of the conventions now used in rhetoric.

If you are interested in reading the book itself it covers a lot more than just verb tense for controlling discussion. The book is called "Thank you for Arguing, What Aristotle, Abraham Lincoln, and Homer Simpson can teach you about the art of arguing"

Edit: you can find a copy of it at the link below, or at your local bookstore (If you end up liking the book then I recommend you buy a copy to help support the author).

http://unionsquareacademy.org/ourpages/auto/2012/8/10/42011464/thank-you-for-arguing.pdf

Mandalorian 1171 votes

I'll look into it. thanks.

TheScholarlyDude1 votes

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That's my problem I try to be as polite as possible, but It doesn't always work. As for the other, that is prety 50/50. Sometimes I do ok, sometimes I do terrible. Thanks though.

It's be polite or totally shock them into submission with something that makes them feel bad. I called a guy inbred one time and he somehow decided to listen after that.

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