I feel frustrated by people who refuse to ff but also refuse to listen

Dakkimchi·4/26/2018, 5:30:29 AM·17 votes·10,054 views

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Dakkimchi At 11 min, the enemy team has a fed fizz and a fed kaisa, due to the fact that midlane lost hard, and the enemy team snowballed bot. So at this point, I ask the team politely whether they want to ff or not. I did not point any fingers, but I cannot prove that since I don't have any records for that, so for the sake of my later argument, you will have to take my word for that. The team said they still wanted to try, that they say they want to play it out after 15. So I tell them that we can't fight under any circumstances until they dive (Tristana is an item behind, Midlaner hasn't even finished Banshees, and I'm the only tank). However, the enemy team also has low wave clear (Fizz and Kaisa are both low range). So I tell them to not go into the jungle and just wave clear, let trist farm until she has decent items. We have lux, ziggs support and a high ranged tristana, so we could stall with wave clear.

But after that, Graves, Lux and Ziggs support proceed to chase the enemy and get themselves killed in the jungle. They don't respond to my pings, and they refuse to give farm for the Tristana.

I don't understand this solo queue mentality. I laid out what I thought to be a rational win condition for my team, but they don't listen; it felt as if they just wanted the game to end quickly by fighting constantly. I'm fine with the Never-surrender culture for NA solo queue. But if people are going to not listen to a non-toxic, rational plan, I don't see why people don't surrender.

I'm not a god player by any means, but no one in the team laid out a plan when we were at such a deficit, so I gave them something they could follow on. It's fine to reject the plan, but you have to communicate that with me. Just frustrated.

35 Comments

Invidie4/26/2018, 12:23:03 PM5 votes

classic answer: they have the right to continue playing, apparently you shouldn't ask/encourage to them ff, its toxic.

Arisha the Dark4/26/2018, 8:58:29 AM5 votes

It's not about refusing to listen, since no one made you a captain to follow your orders, it's about refusing to communicate your next actions. I agree that in a game that requires strategy to win, people just play the way they would play fps game, go in and fight.

PowerSlave9934/26/2018, 6:42:10 PM2 votes

People don't want to surrender 'cause they want you to suffer as well. If they fed and troll, they want the whole team to suffer by refusing to surrender. It's not toxic or anything and hence riot even supports it because ''Never surrender! Every game is winnable!'' - 2018 bullshit story.

DiabloTeal4/26/2018, 11:06:47 AM2 votes

No, no. OP has a really good point, especially in ranked queues this is actually a legitimate problem. While, yes, they weren't elected to lead the team, however, it's called a team for a reason. They were making suggestions for the team to follow, instead of just giving up and ffing, so it doesn't necessarily mean that they were dictating the game, more like making observations of items, kills, and possible losses in team fights. Knowing that they are basically the only engage the team has (since they were the tank), they can't throw it from being underwhelming, and feeble against fed carries. So, in turn the OP politely asked if they wanted to try, and made suggestions, of which they didn't follow. Unfortunately, that is how the game goes. Your team will decide whether to follow their team, or their own decisions, and learn from it.
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Hμghes4/26/2018, 12:46:16 PM1 votes

2nd Match on an alt this Morning went like:

Lee Sin and Ashe bitching about me getting 2cs, verbally attacking me to a point where i leave the Lane. Going Top Lane didnt stop the abuse, instead Udyr watched me die, walked in a bush and recalled asking in all chat to report me for "inting".

r2U5psBajK4jsHxq4/26/2018, 11:26:35 PM1 votes

Riot thinks it's toxic if you don't want to play unwinable games. You're better off just abandoning the match if it gets too unbearable. Even if the majority wants to FF, a duo queue can and will hold you hostage. Best I can recommend is to find a duo partner that isn't a masochist.

Terozu4/27/2018, 1:46:23 AM1 votes

Because they dont like your plan. Why should they have to follow it?

FioraWillCarry1/15/2019, 7:50:22 AM1 votes

SoloQ is filled with idiots.