If a Player Leaves and Their Name is Red in the Post Game Lobby

Malicious Fury·May 10, 2016·9 votes·2,354 views

You don't have to ask the other team to report them. It's taken care of. Leaver Buster is already in action. I just had a game where the other team kept asking us to report their leaver. It's really not necessary to ask the other team because more reports won't speed up the process at all. I see this all the time. Almost every game with a leaver where Leaver Buster will automatically catch them, the team will repeatedly ask to report them. You don't have to do that guys. Now if the player was_ toxic_ and left (eg is standing at base and purposely afking), by all means the more reports for his/her toxicity the better for their review.

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DtMayoMay 10, 20162 votes

It just makes people feel better to take some action rather than just passively realizing leaver buster is on it.

Also it shows Riot that the manner they afk'd was very unfavorable. Maybe someone was lagging and said something in the game and apologized. Maybe an emergency happened. If they had less reports maybe people were more accepting of it rather than just afk'ing because they were salty.

Malicious FuryMay 10, 20161 votes

Yeah but I think that comfort from reporting stems from not trusting the system. I believe that if everyone trusted the system they wouldn't bother asking to report. The lack of trust comes from really not knowing what happens to the leavers because Riot doesn't disclose if they got punished or not, unless your report was specifically used to punish them.

As for disconnecting Leaver Buster doesn't review what happened in the game. It punishes purely on if you left or not. A family emergency that happened to the player isn't figured into the process at all. It's an automated system. For any other report though, for reasons other than just purely disconnecting, everything that happened is taken into consideration by Rioters.

DtMayoMay 10, 20161 votes

I feel the comfort comes from actively participating and voicing your opinion on the matter. I don't think people don't trust the system, rather they like to actively participate in it.

You shouldn't be reporting because you want to see that specific person have consequences and therefore want to see if they get banned or not. You should be reporting because you notice behavior that is against the summoners code of honor and let Riot handle who gets punishment and who doesn't.

Malicious FuryMay 10, 20161 votes

This thread is about people purely disconnecting. Actively participating in reporting for disconnecters isn't necessary and the Leaver Buster system doesn't account for what people say in those reports. Voicing your opinion to an automated system is like asking a Red Light Camera (the cameras that take your picture of a vehicle that ran a red light and sends a ticket to their mail) to take in your opinion about the matter of the car that didn't stop at the red light. The staff that operate the Red Light Camera is going to send a ticket regardless of what you say or do.

Voicing opinions for anything other than a pure disconnect should definitely happen and I fully support that. Voicing an opinion for a pure disconnect in an automated system shows lack of trust and or knowledge of how the system works.

DtMayoMay 10, 20161 votes

I think it is helpful. It depends on the situation and the context of the dc. Did someone apologize and state they are having lag or were they raging before they dc and probably dc'ed because they were salty. I feel there i a big difference there.

Even if you don't think it's necessary what's wrong if it makes people feel better?

stop light cameras which are illegal in a lot of states are very different from dc'ing in league. Can't really compare the two.

Malicious FuryMay 10, 20161 votes

because they were salty.

This isn't a pure disconnect. You're bringing toxicity in to the report. When there's toxicity, yes, share your opinion.

stop light cameras which are illegal in a lot of states

No point in writing that... They are legal in the west coast where I live. Washington, Oregon, and California. They are everywhere....

are very different from dc'ing in league. Can't really compare the two.

They are both automated systems that do not take in opinions from others to function properly. A very good comparison...

Anywho, I gotta go. Take care dude. Good luck on the Rift.

DtMayoMay 10, 20161 votes

This isn't a pure disconnect. You're bringing toxicity in to the report. When there's toxicity, yes, share your opinion.

What is a pure disconnect and how is the system supposed to figure that out?

No point in writing that... They are legal in the west coast where I live. Washington, Oregon, and California. They are everywhere....

Not in my state which I am glad for. Not that I run red lights, I just think it's on the line of speed trap. There is a point because I just thought it was interesting.

They are both automated systems that do not take in opinions from others to function properly. A very good comparison...

Except one has to do with driving your vehicle and another has to deal with playing a video game. And honestly you can dispute red light cameras by going to court.

Malicious FuryMay 10, 20161 votes

Oh fine one last reply. It'll only take a minute anyhow.

What is a pure disconnect and how is the system supposed to figure that out?

When the player disconnects Leaver Buster automatically kicks in. This is a pure disconnect. No need to report... The system already figured it out automatically.

When a player was toxic and is reported for that, it is separate from Leaver Buster and is treated as a whole different case. So now you have two different cases against that player.

-One for leaving. -One for being toxic.

That player may be punished by Leaver Buster and he may be punished again if he has multiple cases of toxicity.

Except one has to do with driving your vehicle and another has to deal with playing a video game. And honestly you can dispute red light cameras by going to court.

Yes one is while driving and one is while playing a videogame. I can compare the two. I'm not sure why you think I can't... They're both automated systems set up to catch people breaking rules.

As for disputing: You can dispute tribunal rulings via your separate support account. I've seen people that have had their punishment reverted.

Anywhozil, I've made my point. Let's just agree to disagree. Later dude.

DtMayoMay 10, 20161 votes

-One for leaving. -One for being toxic.

Ok, you're missing the point. If someone leaves and either apologizes before hand or maybe comes back and apologizes stating lag or some other emergency people in the game maybe more forgiving. If they rage and quit then people aren't nearly as forgiving. It's there so people can report it and feel like they are actively involved in making the community better whether it be reporting bad behavior or choosing not to report someone because they were having an emergency or were at least nice about it.

Yes leaver buster does things automatically but it doesn't mean you can't add to it, especially if it makes you feel better.

Yes one is while driving and one is while playing a videogame. I can compare the two. I'm not sure why you think I can't... They're both automated systems set up to catch people breaking rules.

I still don't think it's relevant because it's apples and oranges. Just like you shouldn't arrest someone entering a house just because the alarm went off. That person could be the owner and they just forgot to turn the alarm off. yea it's automated but automation isn't always accurate.

AteraxiaMay 10, 20162 votes

I still don't think it's relevant because it's apples and oranges. Just like you shouldn't arrest someone entering a house just because the alarm went off. That person could be the owner and they just forgot to turn the alarm off. yea it's automated but automation isn't always accurate.

Except red light camera's are automatic from start to finish. You run a red light. It snaps a photo. You automatically get a ticket in the mail.

You leave a game. LB catches you. It adds up your leaves within a time frame. It automatically puts you in Low Priority Queue.

Then you have: Home alarms. You enter a home. The alarm goes off. The alarm company calls. You answer or not answer. They call the police or they don't call the police. The police come and they might arrest you or they might not arrest you. The consequence is not automatic.

DtMayoMay 11, 20161 votes

Yea you automatically get a ticket which may not get the whole picture and is illegal in a lot of places (good for those city's). Just like lb doesn't get the whole picture. That's why people like putting their own input like "afk"d because I accidentally took 2 cs as support" vs "oh he said a family emergency happened and he apologized".

in regards to the home alarm situation you prove my point of view. They call you or your emergency contact because the automatic alarm doesn't give enough information to effectively judge the situation. This is what player input is for. To hopefully punish the toxic afks more harshly and be understanding in other situations.

Malicious FuryMay 11, 20161 votes

in regards to the home alarm situation you prove my point of view. They call you or your emergency contact because the automatic alarm doesn't give enough information to effectively judge the situation. This is what player input is for. To hopefully punish the toxic afks more harshly and be understanding in other situations.

"toxic afks"

Again this whole thread isn't about toxic afk's. You keep bringing in toxicity and I keep agreeing with you that toxic people need to get reported. However this thread isn't about toxic players. I mean, just read the last sentence of the original post of this thread..............

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DtMayoMay 11, 20161 votes

and how does leaver buster determine a toxic afk or not?

Malicious FuryMay 11, 20161 votes

Again. I already stated it out.

Leaver Buster is separate from a toxicity report. Leaver Buster only sends you to low priority queue if you've generated enough leaves within a given time. Even if you were doing awesome and your team knows you were trying to reconnect, if there's a lot of leaves, LB will send you to LPQ regardless. It's automatic. It does NOT figure in toxicity.

Toxicity is handled separately. If the player is toxic, report them. I stated that in the original post............

DtMayoMay 11, 20161 votes

You are clearly missing the point. If someone says "f this I'm leaving" because a support took two cs what are you going to report for? Just toxic behavior or for leaving/afk?

I just don't see the problem with reporting for leaving/afk. It's just a way for players to have input within the situation. What does it hurt to have people put their input in?

If they are leaving in a very toxic manner they deserve a more severe punishment than low priority queue.

Malicious FuryMay 11, 20161 votes

Leaver Buster will get them for leaving.

You report them for being toxic.

I'm not missing your points. You're not reading.

DtMayoMay 11, 20161 votes

I am reading and you are missing the point.

Please answer this. If someone says "f this i'm leaving" because a support accidentally took two cs or jungle accidentally died to their laner what would you report for?

And you still haven't touched on the point of why it's bad for players to leave input on the situation. What's bad about having more information.

Malicious FuryMay 11, 20161 votes

You report them for being toxic. You leave INPUT for toxicity.

For leaving you don't need to leave INPUT. LB will get them.

I'm done. If you don't understand this from here on out (because it's the nth time writing it) then I'm sorry bro. I'm out. Peace.

DtMayoMay 11, 20161 votes

Leaving is toxic under certain circumstances. There are many ways to be toxic. More information never hurts. Do you just type in toxic and hope riot knows what you mean.

There is a clear difference from afking because of internet and afking because you are raging. If you can't see that and how it's important for players to put input then you are hopeless.

pretty simple concept but i guess you are pretty dense.

AteraxiaMay 11, 20161 votes

wow what this thread is still going. This has been a fun read.

Do you just type in toxic and hope riot knows what you mean.

Um... pretty sure OP said if he's toxic to leave input. and in all caps. I can see what he means by you're not reading...

You report them for being toxic. You leave INPUT for toxicity.

DtMayoMay 11, 20161 votes

He just said leave input, he didn't say in what manner? Is he just going to write toxic? I am reading. I'm just not agreeing with his points.

He still never answered why it's bad to leave input on the situation where someone left/afk'd in a really bad manner vs just leaving because of internet issues or emergencies. He either hasn't read that or just ignores it.

If you just put it under toxic behavior you are not giving as accurate information as you could have been. That's why they have an option for afk/leaving so they can sort through the reports easier.

AteraxiaMay 11, 20161 votes

He just said leave input, he didn't say in what manner? Is he just going to write toxic?.

I think he has:

Voicing opinions for anything other than a pure disconnect should definitely happen and I fully support that.

He said to write your opinion on what happened. Your opinion matters is what I'm getting from it.

He still never answered why it's bad to leave input on the situation where someone left/afk'd in a really bad manner vs just leaving because of internet issues or emergencies. He either hasn't read that or just ignores it.

He's saying leaving in of itself, no matter the reason, good or bad, is dealt with via LB. You don't have to report someone for the system to register the leave he is saying.

But he has also said if the player leaves for a bad reason, because he is angry or whatever at the team, then he said you report him for that and voice your opinion on it, I assume under the AFK/Leave category in the report screen. That's what I'm getting from it all. This may just be a big miscommunication between you both.

DtMayoMay 11, 20161 votes

He said to write your opinion on what happened. Your opinion matters is what I'm getting from it.

No, he is saying if it's a pure disconnect you don't report because leaver buster already registers it. Everything else you report for toxic. It's more accurate to report toxic afk's in leaving game afk category. And even if it is just a pure disconnect what's it matter if people report it or not if it makes them feel better for actively doing something.

then he said you report him for that and voice your opinion on it, I assume under the AFK/Leave category in the report screen

From what it sounds like from what he is saying there shouldn't even be an afk/leave category because of leaverbuster and it should just be reported under toxic.

He's saying leaving in of itself, no matter the reason, good or bad, is dealt with via LB. You don't have to report someone for the system to register the leave he is saying.

But what's the big deal about giving riot more information. Even if it is a "pure" disconnect due to internet problems you could still leave a note saying he was having internet problems.

AteraxiaMay 11, 20162 votes

And even if it is just a pure disconnect what's it matter if people report it or not if it makes them feel better for actively doing something.

This is where you two part ways. You want to report someone, a leaver, when there's no toxicity whatsoever. He doesn't want to report them and feels it's redundant when teams ask all 9 people to report for a non-toxic player that will be caught by LB. Just leave it with that then and part ways.

Edit: btw Leaver Buster doesn't care if the leaver's problem was innocent. Like lag issues and what not. Even if he share's with his whole team that he's sorry and that he's having bad lag. The Summoner's Code says to fix your Internet issues if they're continuously causing you problems. Otherwise, innocent or not, LB will send the leaver to LPQ after a certain amount of leaves in a given time frame. This is why some people think it's not worth sharing his issues because LB doesn't care and the code says to fix it.

DtMayoMay 12, 20161 votes

What does it matter if it's redundant? If it makes people feel better and like they are actively participating. It does nothing but add more information useless or not. Why get upset that people report afks?

Yea I know frequently dcing is against the summoners code but there are tiers of punishment and it could mean the difference between lpq and a suspension.

aj502 OneillMay 10, 20161 votes

Not legal in Cali anymore, or at least San Diego....

AteraxiaMay 10, 20161 votes

The are legal in California. Cities vary.

http://www.photoenforced.com/san-francisco.html#.VzJAhPkrIuU

Mister PunchesMay 11, 20161 votes

I don't ask the enemy team to report my leaver teammate or afk teammate. I report that person after the game if they leave or afk, not like it will do much since all they need to do is hop on a new account and continue the same toxic trend. At least I'll feel like my reports may have contributed in some insignificant way.

VyxinaMay 11, 20161 votes

I played a game as lucian one time and lost the match. I afk'd when it showed "DEFEAT" and didn't click "Continue". (Keep in mind that I never once left while the game was still going.) I came back 3 or so min later and it showed that my name was in red. People said that they were sorry that I was afk and they'd report me. I was kind of baffled by that!

IcyPepperMay 11, 20161 votes

You were right up until

by all means the more reports for his/her toxicity the better for their review.

You only need to be reported once in a game for it to be flagged. Multiple reports won't change that. Asking for reports from the enemy team does absolutely nothing.

Malicious FuryMay 12, 20161 votes

Actually more points of views from several people help with the case. I used to do tribunal and I would put more weight on the case if both teams found the person to be extremely toxic. This is because one person can interpret something to be toxic but it might not even be toxic to the reviewer, so that case would be dismissed. But if a whole group found it to be, it holds more weight. You could counter that and say "Well what if a premade of 4 report someone for being toxic and he wasn't at all. That doesn't show more weight." You're right. But when a Rioter reviews it he has tools to figure that out.

IcyPepperMay 12, 20161 votes

But if a whole group found it to be, it holds more weight.

If this is the case, you don't need to ask for reports in the first place.

Secondly, that's implying people fill out the report forms with their comments. Sure, that's helpful, but seriously the automated system doesn't weigh a game more if you get reported nine times or once.

Malicious FuryMay 12, 20161 votes

Sure, that's helpful

That is all.

http://www.emlii.com/images/article/2014/06/53a83b1969f78.gif

IcyPepperMay 12, 20161 votes

But people do'nt fill out the report forms all the time, people just ask others to report because they think it weighs more. You ignored basically my entire point.

I'm not agreeing with you, even if you take my quote out of context.

Malicious FuryMay 12, 20161 votes