Joining the "being able to honor opponents crusade"

afmghost··4 votes·2,975 views

Deus vult!

The point of honoring opponents was for when your opponent lost gracefully and own with humility. For example if they lose they say things like "nice plays," "good game," and "well played." If they win they say things like "good game," "you almost had us," or any bit of advice that would help their opponents. Even helping their opponents in game is considered honorable (not by inting or anything, but offering tips and tricks).

The reason they removed it (the way I understand it) is because we cannot see what our opponents say in their channel, just like they cannot read your team's channel. Since an opponent can be two faced and only flame in their team channel, they removed the option.

So since a member of Team A can be toxic without Team B knowing, they decided that Team B should not be allowed to give credit to anyone on Team A. And yet reports (which are like reverse honors when you think about it) are still fair game. You can report any player of your choosing.

They want to punish bad behavior so much, but when it comes to giving credit for good behavior, they are so apprehensive about it. I think that says something about Riot and their mindset.

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Umbral Regent2 votes

Do we really need a blue billion posts on the same exact topic? Why can't you just "join the crusade" by declaring your agreement on the first post and/or upvoting it instead of just making a bunch of redundant boards posts?

I'm all for bringing back the Honorable Opponent feature myself, but let's not turn this into a problematic excuse to spam the boards, shall we?

afmghost2 votes

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Do we really need a blue billion posts on the same exact topic? Why can't you just "join the crusade" by declaring your agreement on the first post and/or upvoting it instead of just making a bunch of redundant boards posts?

I'm all for bringing back the Honorable Opponent feature myself, but let's not turn this into a problematic excuse to spam the boards, shall we?

DEUS VULT, INFIDEL!

Hellmaximus12 votes

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DEUS VULT, INFIDEL!

DUES VULT! DUES VULT!

afmghost2 votes

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DUES VULT! DUES VULT!

MARTA MARIA!

MYSTlCFLOW2 votes

The reason they removed it (the way I understand it) is because we cannot see what our opponents say in their channel, just like they cannot read your team's channel. Since an opponent can be two faced and only flame in their team channel, they removed the option.

So since a member of Team A can be toxic without Team B knowing, they decided that Team B should not be allowed to give credit to anyone on Team A. And yet reports (which are like reverse honors when you think about it) are still fair game. You can report any player of your choosing.

They want to punish bad behavior so much, but when it comes to giving credit for good behavior, they are so apprehensive about it. I think that says something about Riot and their mindset.

wow. couldn't agree more if that was their reasoning. fucking bullshit lol

Umbral Regent2 votes

They don't ever specifically state that the reason they removed Honorable Opponent was "because enemies can be two-faced" - that's just the OP's takeaway. Take it with a grain of salt.

Here's Riot's statement about the removal of Honorable Opponent from the Ask Riot: Honor Edition;

Q: Do you plan to replace Honorable Opponent? Enemies can be honorable too!

A: Enemies can definitely be honorable too, but generally when you play League, you chat with your team much more than with the enemy team. You have a better ability to judge how honorable players were on your team than the enemy team, so we wanted teammates to be the focal point of Honor. Also, we wanted to simplify the Honoring process and make the decision-making as straightforward as possible. Choosing among two to four options is less taxing than choosing among five to nine.

We are exploring some options that allow opponents to be recognized, but don’t have anything concretely in the works yet.

So, ignoring the OP's personal takeaway of "enemies can be two-faced", Riot's reasons for removing Honorable Opponent is at least because you interact more with your own team than the enemy team, and they decided to focus on Honoring teammates, which had the added benefit of making giving Honors (which are now given to just one player per match) an easier decision, since you only have to choose between 2-4 players, instead of 5-9.

Italicized for emphasis, though: Riot is exploring options for a potential return of Honoring opponents.

afmghost2 votes

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They don't ever specifically state that the reason they removed Honorable Opponent was "because enemies can be two-faced" - that's just the OP's takeaway. Take it with a grain of salt.

The mod Chermog said that on more than one occasion. Admittedly, I do find this mod and his claims questionable

So, ignoring the OP's personal takeaway of "enemies can be two-faced", Riot's reasons for removing Honorable Opponent is at least because you interact more with your own team than the enemy team, and they decided to focus on Honoring teammates, which had the added benefit of making giving Honors (which are now given to just one player per match) an easier decision, since you only have to choose between 2-4 players, instead of 5-9.

Which is why the "one man only" system needs to stop. I'm not saying we should be able to go or every last player I see, but trying to get your honor to a higher level isn't even a grind right now. You have to be honorable and have a pretty k/d/a. That's not how it was intended to work, but that's what happens. You have to be the MVP and be chill. If you were chill, helpful,.and encouraging, you're not getting any honors because you didn't carry. Sucks to be you.

Italicized for emphasis, though: Riot is exploring options for a potential return of Honoring opponents.

Let's hope they're telling the truth.

Aneirin1 votes

If you were chill, helpful,.and encouraging, you're not getting any honors because you didn't carry

I never carry games and I'm honour level 4, checkpoint 2.

Hellmaximus11 votes

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I never carry games and I'm honour level 4, checkpoint 2.

It's based on your server as well, OCE being a newer server with less players on it makes climbing honor levels easier than say NA servers. This also applies to getting S ranks on champions and climbing early levels of RANKED.

Umbral Regent2 votes

The mod Chermog said that on more than one occasion. Admittedly, I do find this mod and his claims questionable

I'd appreciate links, but it is ultimately understandable that the forum mods (who in no way perfectly encapsulate or represent Riot) would find their own takeaway or additional reasons for stuff like this.

Which is why the "one man only" system needs to stop. I'm not saying we should be able to go or every last player I see, but trying to get your honor to a higher level isn't even a grind right now. You have to be honorable and have a pretty k/d/a.

Here's the thing, though - back during the old Honor system, Honors were scarcely given out, because players had no reason to give them, and there were way too many players per game to honor, so it was just a hassle sorting out who you wanted to honor and who you didn't care to.

Since the Honor rework, I've been seeing tons more honors being given out than I did with old Honor. And I've even received Honors for just being Honorable - I could do shit, and apparently, people still found me worth honoring.

Clearly, the "one man only" system works, if people are seeing good reason to actually give their one Honor to somebody. You really don't give any solid reasoning as to why the current "One Honor" thing doesn't work - and, no, the fact that some people will just honor the carry isn't a valid reason. The "GG <3" Honor is pretty widely-encompassing.

That's not how it was intended to work, but that's what happens. You have to be the MVP and be chill. If you were chill, helpful,.and encouraging, you're not getting any honors because you didn't carry. Sucks to be you.

Just because you see this doesn't mean everyone else sees it. Like I said, I've seen quite a number of cases that don't fall in line with "everyone just honors the carry". I wouldn't doubt other boards members have seen their fair variety of Honors, too.

Let's hope they're telling the truth.

They are. While I personally trust all of Riot, I can safely say that their Player Behavior team is the absolute most likely to tell us the truth and deliver on it. Gameplay has to stamp any upcoming work with "TENTATIVE: MAY NOT BE FINAL.", though they will tell us of their explorations into certain things, and Story, Art, & Sound has to step behind a veil of mystery and uncertainty to keep people looking for more.

But the Player Behavior team has pretty much no reason to tell us they're doing something and then not deliver - they don't need to be vague for mystery's sake, or provide us with snapshots of things that may not even come to pass - if they say they're working on something, you can bet your ass they're working on it.

Not to mention we did recently get pre- and post-game chat logs in reform cards, which they've also mentioned they've been looking to do for a while. Take that extra tidbit as you will.

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