You are playing at the world cup. One of your teammates decides they want to be funny and they score goals for the other team three times. What goes through your head?
And mods, there is a point to this. Do not delete this.
Edit: Also, let's say that you have no substitutions. Your team is stuck with this player. What do you do the instant he scores that third goal?
Chermorg6 votesI would go to the coach and tell the coach that they should remove them from the team.
But actually, this isn't a world cup team. League is a casual game. Not a world stage tournament where players have been previously vetted for experience/skill and are representing their country.
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Chermorg5 votesFunny.. I literally just reported someone for inting, they were not very obvious at it, reported them only for intentional feeding (not chat), and got a feedback report within 5 minutes.
Riot does ban intentional feeders when they exist (and they happen to all of us every once in a while) - you can find examples of that on the boards.
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AeroWaffle4 votesIt's one thing to claim that Riot needs to improve the detection (preferably with suggestions how).
It's another thing to claim that Riot does nothing.
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AeroWaffle1 votes[{quoted}](name=KFC and WTRMelon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5j5s5idP,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-16T03:59:15.116+0000)
(edit) just realized you were talking about the other reply, the nothing was an exaggeration, every once and a while it will catch someone if they are actually going ghost tp rammus mobis first item, but if you are attacking while getting killed, and csing a bit it wont get you
Do you have suggestions on how to improve the system?
afmghost1 votesIt's one thing to claim that Riot needs to improve the detection (preferably with suggestions how).
It's another thing to claim that Riot does nothing.
I do think Riot is giving at least some effort to that. My point is that people are going to say rude things to people who run it down mid. This is my point of view, but I think that it is only natural (expected even) for the teammates to give the player grief. Riot will punish those frustrated players first, but I doubt they see that there was some cause and effect in play.
AeroWaffle3 votesMay I ask what is preventing you from not insulting them? Because when I get an intentional feeder in my games I understand that insulting them is hardly going to change the situation.
I chalk the loss to the bad luck of getting an asshole on my team and report them once the game is done.
afmghost1 votesMay I ask what is preventing you from not insulting them?
I never said I was insulting them. If I say "quit inting, dammit," that would be considered toxic, just because I said "dammit" in a complaint against the inter. Necessary? No. Natural? Quite.
AeroWaffle4 votesI have yet to see someone get punished for swearing.
afmghost1 votesI have yet to see someone get punished for swearing.
Swearing isn't punishable, at least, not on its own. If used in a complaint (like the exam above), it's enough.
AeroWaffle2 votesIf someone were constantly complaining about a teammate and accusing them of intentionally feeding, they would be banned for that. Not for saying "dammit".
afmghost1 votesIf someone were constantly complaining about a teammate and accusing them of intentionally feeding, they would be banned for that. Not for saying "dammit".
If someone is running down mid and giving up 12 kills in ten minutes, the other players aren't making accusations, they're saying facts. At that point, saying that they're inting is like saying that the Earth has one moon.
ModPrandine3 votesIf someone is running down mid and giving up 12 kills in ten minutes, the other players aren't making accusations, they're saying facts. At that point, saying that they're inting is like saying that the Earth has one moon.
Why acknowledge them in chat though? All that's doing is giving them the negative reaction that they want out of you, and they certainly won't stop by your announcing to the world that they're trolling (over-dramatic I know but you get my point). You know it, they know it, everyone in the game knows it too. Trust me, I know these types of players are frustrating to deal with as I've had them too, but sometimes it's better to just bite your tongue, try your best to work around it and then report them for it after the game ends.
If you must respond in the chat then it's usually better to just ask once or twice for them to stop with their poor behavior, and if they don't listen then just drop it and move on.
afmghost1 votesWhy acknowledge them in chat though? All that's doing is giving them the negative reaction that they want out of you, and they certainly won't stop by your announcing to the world that they're trolling (over-dramatic I know but you get my point). You know it, they know it, everyone in the game knows it too. Trust me, I know these types of players are frustrating to deal with as I've had them too, but sometimes it's better to just bite your tongue, try your best to work around it and then report them for it after the game ends.
If you must respond in the chat then it's usually better to just ask once or twice for them to stop with their poor behavior, and if they don't listen then just drop it and move on.
I've seen these players. They don't stop until the game ends. You're not winning anyway so you might as well have immediate satisfaction (versus none at all).
ModPrandine2 votesI've seen these players. They don't stop until the game ends. You're not winning anyway so you might as well have immediate satisfaction (versus none at all).
Why though? Is your ego really that important that it's worth endangering the status of your account to satisfy? If you ask me I think it's not.
afmghost1 votesMay I ask what is preventing you from not insulting them? Because when I get an intentional feeder in my games I understand that insulting them is hardly going to change the situation.
I chalk the loss to the bad luck of getting an asshole on my team and report them once the game is done.
BTW, if you have ever been in a promotional series and had a player hold the team hostage, you won't just accept it and move on.
AeroWaffle3 votesTo reiterate my line of thought when presented with intentional feeders, do you think that insulting the player will change the situation?
200 days2 votesI'm going to have to disagree with you Chermorg. Riot doesn't ban soft inters. I've seen rare occasions. The only time they ever ban soft inters is if you give them proof which you would need to send a support ticket. Hard inters like the infamous ones don't get banned until they reach the top page of reddit. How can you explain that? How does that even happen? You literally see them go 20+ games nunu with 14+ deaths and they manage to ruin that many games. I'm pretty sure players report him but Riot's system didn't do anything until a Rioter manually banned him.
You don't want to admit it but the system is poor. It's hard to detect, I agree. But for you to defend Riot when you clearly know it has major flaws is disappointing.
AeroWaffle2 votesBeing banned for soft-inting or trolling does happen, but it likely takes a manual review since it would be next to impossible for a computer to reliably judge such situations.
This is not a problem where Riot can just snap their fingers and solve, but a problem with AI and it's current capabilities based on our understanding of programming and hardware.
afmghost1 votesI would go to the coach and tell the coach that they should remove them from the team.
But actually, this isn't a world cup team. League is a casual game. Not a world stage tournament where players have been previously vetted for experience/skill and are representing their country.
As stated, you are out of substitutions. You are stuck with this guy if you like it or not.
And a casual game is one where you can quit whenever you want without being barred from rejoining. If I have to stay until the game teaches a conclusion, I don't think that is casual at all. Sure, a single game of league is not as big of a deal as the world cup. That doesn't mean it isn't at least somewhat serious. Again, if I am expected to dedicate my time to finishing the game, I'm going to put my warface on and give it everything I have.
Chermorg4 votesThat may be your definition of a casual game.. but most people would call that a "come and go" game. A casual game is like a pickup game of basketball at your local rec center. You can leave but you're punished for it (by the rec center telling you not to come back) and you get punished by the rec center if you intentionally fuck with others.
afmghost1 votesThat may be your definition of a casual game.. but most people would call that a "come and go" game. A casual game is like a pickup game of basketball at your local rec center. You can leave but you're punished for it (by the rec center telling you not to come back) and you get punished by the rec center if you intentionally fuck with others.
Ok, our definitions are not the same. Fine. But would you not react if this guy deliberately threw the game? I mean if that happened in he world cup, I'm sure many of the teammates would say some rude things to the guy. The coaches, refs, audience members, commentators, and so on wouldn't care that the rest of the team is raising hell. In fact, I would imagine it would be expected that they did.
Chermorg5 votesThe world cup is not the same as League.
If you treat League as a competitive game, go join a competitive team. Otherwise, don't ruin the game for the 90%+ of players who play League casually and just for fun.
afmghost1 votesThe world cup is not the same as League.
If you treat League as a competitive game, go join a competitive team. Otherwise, don't ruin the game for the 90%+ of players who play League casually and just for fun.
I'm not saying League is exclusively competitive either. League for regular players (or as Dunkey calls it, "real life League") is kind of a cross between the two. You play for fun, but you play to win as well. Playing the game to win is what makes league (or hell, any game) fun, because you are putting your skills to the test with four others against another five players. Will the game mean anything hours later? No. Do you still want to use all your skills to win? Yes. Do you want your team to do the same? You bet.
It's a bit of both. That said, I don't want a teammate crippling me by giving the other team a dozen free kills bright and early in the match.
Chermorg3 votesBut I don't get to judge my team's skill/ability. You get matched with players of the same skill as you - whether you believe it or not. You are not some coach who's eons above them in experience/skill. If they're having a bad game, fine. You have bad games too and you don't like it when you get flamed I'm sure.
If you want a game you can control, with no behavior regulations, go hit up a single player game. If you're going to play a multiplayer game just to treat others like crap for any reason, that's wrong.
afmghost1 votesBut I don't get to judge my team's skill/ability. You get matched with players of the same skill as you - whether you believe it or not. You are not some coach who's eons above them in experience/skill. If they're having a bad game, fine. You have bad games too and you don't like it when you get flamed I'm sure.
If you want a game you can control, with no behavior regulations, go hit up a single player game. If you're going to play a multiplayer game just to treat others like crap for any reason, that's wrong.
Look, if a player is just flat out lagging, trying to learn a new champion/role, is countered, or just has bad luck, i will understand. I may be frustrated, but it would be at the situation, not the player. That said, you run down mid and feed 12 kills in 8 minutes, that's a bad game alright. You're rear-ending the four of us, and we have every right to be angry at you.
Chermorg4 votesThe cases where someone's actually blatantly intentionally feeding are much rarer than you try to claim.
Even so, you're not prohibited from being angry, but don't turn one asshat into two by flaming in chat.
You can easily win a game, even with an intentional feeder, if you remain positive and don't tilt yourself to a loss.
TheMinionLeader2 votesYou're an exceptionally negative and demeaning boards poster. Mr. Chermorg I feel as if you are out here trying to tilt people harder instead of fixing the problem. You dig at them. And not at the issue. You often them in hypothetical scenarios in which you're bashing them and its honestly disgusting as fuck.
afmghost1 votesYou're an exceptionally negative and demeaning boards poster. Mr. Chermorg I feel as if you are out here trying to tilt people harder instead of fixing the problem. You dig at them. And not at the issue. You often them in hypothetical scenarios in which you're bashing them and its honestly disgusting as fuck.
The mods are players who are disciples of Riot Games. I think they got their positions not on solving problems players bring up, but by defending Riot from any form of criticism made, constructive or otherwise. My point is that a lot of the toxicity this community is infamous for is by players who act up (there is a lot more for other reasons, but this is a pretty decent chunk of it), and that there is a lot of cause and effect in play. I am not saying that flaming the daylights out of a griefers is a solution, but it is at least a somewhat understandable response. This guy must be levitating above us all or something, because he is expecting us to not say a word when such players take promotional games hostage and/or throw them. No, it's that his diehard devotion to defending the company makes his reports so powerful that he can get a person punished with one report, so he never has to worry about such players for long. That said, he has no sense of reality.
Might as well screenshot this response. He might have it taken down in the name of censorship when he or another mod finds it.
AresGladiator2 votesleague is a competitive game so ok
Silent Gravity4 votesIn this scenario, there is an authority to go to with your complaint. The coach is the one designated to assigning players to the field or kicking them off the team.
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5j5s5idP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-16T03:14:41.285+0000)
In this scenario, there is an authority to go to with your complaint. The coach is the one designated to assigning players to the field or kicking them off the team.
Ok, but what do you do during that match? Also, let's say you're out of substitutions, and cannot switch out the player
Silent Gravity2 votesJust for you, I decided to read all 228 pages of the Laws of the Game (provided by FIFA, authorized annually by IFAB).
Just to let you know, any of the verbal reactions that you seem to assume would happen in your hypothetical situation would have the potential to earn a sending off for every individual that participated. That's a really clear and easy way to massively lose a game.
A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area.
Now as for "scoring a goal for the other team". That can't happen.
A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no offence has been committed by the team scoring the goal.
And one of the offenses is
shows a lack of respect for the game
So, the goal wouldn't count. The player who tried would be sent off. Your team would continue play while down a player, since you specified that we were out of substitutions.
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5j5s5idP,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-16T06:15:18.107+0000)
Just for you, I decided to read all 228 pages of the Laws of the Game (provided by FIFA, authorized annually by IFAB).
Just to let you know, any of the verbal reactions that you seem to assume would happen in your hypothetical situation would have the potential to earn a sending off for every individual that participated. That's a really clear and easy way to massively lose a game. vicinity of the field of play and the technical area.
Now as for "scoring a goal for the other team". That can't happen. the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no offence has been committed by the team scoring the goal.
And one of the offenses is
So, the goal wouldn't count. The player who tried would be sent off. Your team would continue play while down a player, since you specified that we were out of substitutions.
Thanks for clearing that up, but I'm trying to make a point here.
Silent Gravity2 votesIf for some reason the ref didn't card the guy for his actions, the goal(s) would stand.
Players can't be subbed out if they refuse to leave the field. So, even if we had a substitution available, it wouldn't help.
So, if the system did nothing against the inter, that would suck. The best course of action is to play it out and treat the inter like he's on the other team.
If you responded verbally to the guy, the way you suggest, that would still be a sending off violation, so I would suggest not doing that.
It's really similar to how the situation should be treated in League.
afmghost1 votes[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5j5s5idP,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-16T06:32:06.938+0000)
If for some reason the ref didn't card the guy for his actions, the goal(s) would stand.
Players can't be subbed out if they refuse to leave the field. So, even if we had a substitution available, it wouldn't help.
So, if the system did nothing against the inter, that would suck. The best course of action is to play it out and treat the inter like he's on the other team.
If you responded verbally to the guy, the way you suggest, that would still be a sending off violation, so I would suggest not doing that.
It's really similar to how the situation should be treated in League.
Like I said, pass into the iris
meticoulouswolf2 votesI feel like once you type" this dude is feeding he a troll" it kinda reinforces him to do it even more and get more enjoyment out of it
afmghost1 votesI feel like once you type" this dude is feeding he a troll" it kinda reinforces him to do it even more and get more enjoyment out of it
Like I said above, he ain't stopping, regardless. Plus, when the damage is done, it's done.
meticoulouswolf2 votesLike I said above, he ain't stopping, regardless. Plus, when the damage is done, it's done.
i get you i just never saw the need to take time out of game to type it out i prefer working around it
afmghost1 votesi get you i just never saw the need to take time out of game to type it out i prefer working around it
No time lost if you're dead. You're going to spend a lot of time dead if you're a healer or carry and they fed an assassin. It's games like these where it's handy to have minesweeper open (lol I kid.)
meticoulouswolf1 votesNo time lost if you're dead. You're going to spend a lot of time dead if you're a healer or carry and they fed an assassin. It's games like these where it's handy to have minesweeper open (lol I kid.)
hmm i either play jg or mid lane and when i play midlane i mainly play squishy burst mages like veigar and brand, but also play xerath and ryze so for most of those i get how much you hate fed assassins lol and when i play jg i play tank jgs XDD but even with a inter or afk it is possible to win.
the thing is will it be a royal pain in the ass. sure but damn does it feel good whenever it possibly happens XXXD
afmghost1 voteshmm i either play jg or mid lane and when i play midlane i mainly play squishy burst mages like veigar and brand, but also play xerath and ryze so for most of those i get how much you hate fed assassins lol and when i play jg i play tank jgs XDD but even with a inter or afk it is possible to win.
the thing is will it be a royal pain in the ass. sure but damn does it feel good whenever it possibly happens XXXD
Glad to sympathize, but that's not the point. The point is that now that fed assassin is roaming lanes to allow the other lanes to get fed on kills and creeps. Now the damage is spreading, and now you're starved. Have a nice life.
afmghost1 votesi get you i just never saw the need to take time out of game to type it out i prefer working around it
Easier said than done. The enemy now has a huge stat advantage. Your only hope now is that they let it go to their head and get too cocky that they mess up.
meticoulouswolf1 votesEasier said than done. The enemy now has a huge stat advantage. Your only hope now is that they let it go to their head and get too cocky that they mess up.
imma be real for a sec i think that happens more times than not XDD
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