i have a question , might be stupid maybe i am stupid idk...

SirΤeemο·Apr 30, 2017·4 votes·692 views

Why the punishment of verbal abuse is the same as hacking? isn't that too extreme ? (no i am not banned.) the first punishment for verbal abuse is 10 games chat restriction , 2nd time 20 matches 3rd, 14 days ban and then perm ban .. Why after 20 games doesn't go 50 then 100 then 150 etc... ? i mean , punishing someone , who insulted and someone who hacked , with the same way doesn't seem logical ! Also they could get a removed chat , for some games . they can communicate fine with pings , thats their purpose

i don't know , i might be stupid or something , but i don't find this logical !

18 Comments

All of the noobsApr 30, 20174 votes

**Alright, lets get something clear. **

The result of flaming the entire game & someone cheating in a game-** is exactly the same.** Both is not welcome to League, Both wants to ruin the game & Both promotes the action.

The major difference is that you have SEVERAL Penalties before you have to pack your bags and leave by being toxic. If you're caught cheating, you're gone faster than tyler ran mid.

Anyways, your question.

Toxicity can be said to be known as one of LoL biggest issues, currently. It is the MOST obvious action not to do. If this isn't obvious enough for the certain player, then im sorry to say that certain players are going to have to learn it the hard way.

By reading your thread I get the feeling you're implying that Riot should extend the lenght of the progressive chat restriction, rather than giving the certain players a set amount of warnings (as you mentioned, 10 & 20 games) before they hit you with the ban hammer.

**Tell me; ** if you knew you could flame/ be racist/ ect. and the worst that could happen, is that you'll be chat restricted for a set amount of games. In no shape of form will you risk your accounts its safety (There is no risks at all). Where is the real punishment? A majority does not care about being chat restricted, they care about their account.

To precise: chat restrictions are warnings- not punishment. they're** WARNINGS**.

I'm sorry, but there's no way im able to take this post serious. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

SirΤeemοApr 30, 20171 votes

coming rich from someone who has name "all of the noobs" so ok, going over the driving limits and killing someone should be punished the same? both are not welcomed to the world. your statement makes no sense .

All of the noobsApr 30, 20172 votes

That's very judgmental Sir Teemo, atleast I dont have the most hated champion in my nametag.

Secondly, Why are you bringing real life into this? Last time I saw your thread you were talking about LoL, in a forum about LoL.

currently, the system can place you in a slow que', chat restrict you or simply ban you. That, SirTeemo, is 3 penalties. To compare LoL & it's penalty system (Which you just did) to real world which has bricks on bricks of law books, studies & rules... is pathetic.

You've already made enough nonsense in one post, but that reply was beyond. I've stated the obvious for you & I highly doubt your 3rd post is any more educated.

Have a good day. Zyra

SirΤeemοApr 30, 20171 votes

they see me shrooming they hating .
actually make no sense , i already stated my facts and my opinions . the one who is bitching and being an asshole for no reason is you.

Deep Terror NamiMay 1, 20171 votes

Let's stay on topic, shall we? If someone is "bitching and being an asshole" I recommend not engaging them any further in discussion. If you need to report it to the moderators you can do so, but otherwise don't contribute to it.

LostFr0stApr 30, 20172 votes

They tried those types of punishments before, they didn't work. All that a removed chat did was make them toxic during gameplay (excessive pinging, inting, assisting enemies, etc.) The current system is made to be taken seriously.

When someone is hacked the account is banned only until the owner contacts player support and they confirm it's the owner and that the account is secure again. That's a protective ban on the account to prevent the hacker from doing further damage, and is completely different.

SirΤeemοApr 30, 20171 votes

riot never removed the chat as a punishment , at least for those 4 years i am around , Also in my opinion , people who are toxic even after getting a perm ban account , they will turn into trollers that don't really care and start inting on ranked games , there are numerous cases of that happening (toxic players turning into trollers ) . After all , it's a video game . getting such punishment isn't "quite fair" specially for some people who spent some money and they just lost control some times . specially since the fan base of this game is 15-20 years old people For example : (i will use my self ) if someone like me who has 900 honors , lose control 1/1000 times , shouldn't matter . because 900 people liked me and i was a good team mate , and that was 1 bad move under frustration .

LostFr0stApr 30, 20172 votes

It was basically indefinite chat restriction (they had x lines to use each game) so they never took it seriously. The idea with a perma is to ban them until they give up and either reform or leave. Since they can detect when accounts belong to that same person, the smurfs are more quickly banned than the time it took to ban the main. Best part is that spending money isn't tied to the punishment system; if they lose control constantly then they lose it the same as everyone else.

Of course such a person wouldn't get banned. It's a series/norm of negative behaviour that gets someone banned. (or racial slurs/hate speach/death threats). Otherwise we'd all be banned; everyone has bad days. Bad days are different than constantly toxic though.

YouLostMeApr 30, 20172 votes

I guess the first answer here is that they're not the same punishment. If you hack (I'm assuming this means running scripts or using DDoS), you get banned. If you flame, you get 3 more chances before you get banned. There's a similar final resolution if you push the system to its limits, but those punishments are different. An analogy that comes to mind is working at a job. If you're working retail and get caught stealing, you can expect to be fired immediately. But if you're rude to a customer and they complain, you're not necessary going to be kicked out until the second, third, fourth complaint come in.

Riot's pattern of restrictions here is grounded in a different philosophy from what I think a lot of games have. If a person is flaming or trolling and they don't reform after ample opportunities, they aren't welcome here anymore.

SirΤeemοApr 30, 20171 votes

i agree .. but ! we are talking about a game that it's fan base is people around the ages of 15-20 ,at least most of them if i judge by internet caffes . the final punishment is the same as hacking . you can't be 100% fine in all matches in all the times. people aren't fine in every second of their lifes , they go under many situations during their day . I remember a good friend of mine , his mother has passed away , and he was playing league of legends to get his mind way , but that lead him to insult and get angrier easier because of the situation he lived .

nerak23Apr 30, 20172 votes

SirΤeemο (EUNE) - about 2 hours ago i 100% understand my friend , but still . this is a video game , people are paying money . once you spent money on a video game you shoudn't be banned so easily . specially when a "WTF" on chat can get you 1 warning .

No you don't understand, so it is a video game- you should still adhere to the rules.

You spent $ makes No difference, I have spent 70% of my $ spent as gifts, I don't expect the regular player to do this, I do expect a person spends Money on themselves and therefor gets upset because they did so !! Should Not expect special treatment !

FINALLY, It was Not 1 comment of "What the Fuck" got anyone punished ! Let's be clear here K? It takes more then that ...

nerak23Apr 30, 20171 votes

LostFr0st (NA) - 7 minutes ago They tried those types of punishments before, they didn't work.

I agree, For one thing I believe Toxic behavior amounts to more annoyed and upset players, thus should be punished quickly, beside the fact that it may be the easiest thing to find.

As punished people level up a new account : they may feel upset and do things against the rules. most IMO (that have been punished for Toxicity ) understand what is going to get reported Most often so they can go and do other things against the rules and try to get away with it, while still annoying and worst making some new players believe they can do the same....This type of thing should be "Shut off" immediately !

I believe Riot is starting to crack down more and sooner, as they should. This is why a person who Reads the boards and only see others complaining about how bad the system is, can come to a different conclusion.

OP I am not accusing you of any of these things, I merely think That it is important for those who approve of the system to speak up as well as those who don't ! On a personal note: I always try to look at Riot for mistake they make, when I find this I point it out. Lurkers, be known haha :)

nerak23Apr 30, 20171 votes

so ok, going over the driving limits and killing someone should be punished the same? both are not welcomed to the world.

OP: >SirΤeemο, the punishment is not the same ! Both may be 'not welcomed' but both have a punishment factor.

I'm glad you brought it up actually, even if it doesn't fit all the way it is close enough to infer some things;

Both are punishable
If you continue to speed you will get a progress of ticket that will eventually land you in Jail if you don't stop doing it
Yes, just like here on LOL, If you happen to go over the limit you are given a punishment, if you should go out and drive and "Hurt" someone your could spend the rest of your life in Jail--Or in this case, lose you account..

Do You understand what I am saying? I'd really like for you to see the difference, can you ? If not, I'm wasting Your time.

SirΤeemοApr 30, 20171 votes

i 100% understand my friend , but still . this is a video game , people are paying money . once you spent money on a video game you shoudn't be banned so easily . specially when a "WTF" on chat can get you 1 warning .

Magical PlayerApr 30, 20171 votes

Money spent does not grant immunity WTF will not warrant a chat restriction

Toxicity is a tiered punishment as others have already mentioned and is not welcomed :D Outright cheating is perma/14 day(leading to perma shortly after), again not welcomed

I had an account that had years of chat restrictions built on it, trust me it didnt phase me one bit :D when I saw the amount of games stacked against my account. After a point it was comical that I was still getting them :D. Now I've reformed and no longer need to be restricted :D

More chat restrictions=/= less toxicity

yoshi2790Apr 30, 20171 votes

the first punishment for verbal abuse is 10 games chat restriction , 2nd time 20 matches 3rd, 14 days ban and then perm ban ..

I'm pretty sure it's different. (unless it got changed recently)

I used to have 1 chat restrict, then a 2 week ban. Then long time nothing, a small chat restrict (10 games) and a big one soon after (70 games).

Then I had nothing for ~1.5-2years

SirΤeemοApr 30, 20171 votes

it used to be 10-20-50-75-125 games chat restriction then 14 days and later on perm ban . but they changed it .. because 20 games are enough for someone to realize he was wrong or something ..

ModThe DjinnApr 30, 20174 votes

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it used to be 10-20-50-75-125 games chat restriction then 14 days and later on perm ban . but they changed it .. because 20 games are enough for someone to realize he was wrong or something ..

They changed it because the old system wasn't reducing toxicity enough, and not getting toxic players out of the system quickly enough. They also found that longer chat restrictions just led to other types of toxicity.

The restriction DURATION isn't supposed to let players realize they were wrong -- the restriction ITSELF is the warning. The duration is to give them time to adjust their behavior.

once you spent money on a video game you shoudn't be banned so easily .

Think of it like being in a movie theater. You pay for permission to use their services and see their movie. If you start spouting insults at other patrons and try to start fights, you're kicked out, and your ticket is unlikely to be refunded. Plus, as part of the contract you signed with Riot in order to use ANY of their services, you specifically give them the right to punish you for violating community behavioral standards. All payments made to them should be -- and legally are -- under the understanding that Riot still has permission to terminate your account if they feel it necessary.