Recently played with a janna who was probably playing janna or even the support role for the first time as it seemed died two times to sej ganks , goes on tilt intentionally feeding the ennemy and shit just because he is support and '' supp role is boring '' '' i can't supp bronzes '' '' rito why give me supp role '' dafuq ? just don't take supp if you can't play it ? seriously this is the first time i see this happening in dq o.o
SuperGlide7 votesIts called auto fill and you can thank the people that complained about que times. Now you can get a roll that you never queued for. That being said I find it funny that you didn't already know this so many trolling?
AATTRROOXX2 votesYes, but that is only diamond+, and I doubt that player could've made it to diamond legitimately.
shía labeouf 3 votesI don't know if the system has been updated but I have definitely been autofilled before and I'm much lower elo than that.
Telephone Booth1 votesDamn really? People can get roles they didn't even choose? Like mid/top and still end up bottom? I had no idea... that sucks.
Gary B Enkelis5 votesHow am I supposed to get better if I'm not allowed to try?
Warlord Zudane2 votesThis is League. You just git gud by magic.
GULAG 4 U1 votesyou practice in normals
No flash no life1 votesyou practice in normals
Doesn't work. You can be like silver 4, with few to none normal games played, and as soon as you queue you're matched against plat/gold with 2k+ games won in normal.
Drugoth1 votesAlthough this is very much the truth, it doesn't mean you can't practice. If anything the merit of practicing against higher skilled opponents would be quite good imo. They will capitalize on your mistakes harder forcing you to make less mistakes.
GULAG 4 U1 votesWell dude, if you play in normals, you won't lose lp because you aren't good at the role and you ain't pissing ranked teammates off.
I will obliviate1 votesRanked teammates only WANT to get pissed... they don't watch you... they don't try to help... they want you to be good no matter what... I have had teammates in ranked that I can count on so few times that I can't even remember them... when I have a bad game, I just get flamed for all game long... my fault though... I play ADC... the one idiot that gets flamed for all the other's mistakes because he is squishy and easy to kill... anyway... don't try to tell me that ranked players have a normal mindset... they are the worst ones...
GULAG 4 U1 votesPretty much why I don't play ranked.
doiminat0r36002 votesPeople in normals try way harder than people in ranked.
I will obliviate1 votesSO SO TRUE... omg... it's really so stupidly true... I mean I have turned impossible games in normal... but in ranked... after 5 mins half the people are saying surr at 20... and they don't even try after that... they just go and feed more... DEFEND... TRY... DO SOMETHING... THEN YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING STUCK IN LOW ELO... And when I say that I am trying to get out of low Elo everyone says... you aren't good enough... really? when I am trying to play and stop all others from surrendering without playing?? that's Multitasking people... it's not easy... anyway... if you want good games... try normal with draft... much better than anything else... just takes time to queue...
BLACKLlVESMATTER3 votesSo why cant players play as Jenna in a blind match game? So you're saying that just because he or she pick a support player, and is bad at it, makes him or her a troll? How do you know she is intentionally feeding the enemy? Did she say " im going to feed the enemy and jokes about it" or you are just mad at the player who choose Jenna and does bad at playing? Eitherway you need evidence, and is sure that the player is intentionally feeding. Dont fabricate a report.
Also being toxic is worst than a troll. I rather have a troll playing in a match than a toxic player who easily gets annoyyed like an immature and throws random accusations while telling them that they'll get reported.
btw Its just a game. If you cant handle the games and trolls in the game and be polite. You are toxic.
Rio Risotto2 votesI can just assume that if someone runs down mid whining about his role and solo diving over and over again he is intentionally feeding. By the way #AllLivesMatter
manbearswine2 votesSo why cant players play as Jenna in a blind match game?
Cause that's dirty?
Requiemsfire3 votesdont pick fill in ranked if you can't play a specific role.
Dominick Destine1 votesdont pick fill in ranked if you can't play a specific role.
This.
xEPICxGoldx1 votesI think you should quit the game as me, cuz i can't do anything about that, u get trolled, you are mad and you toxic to them and u get banned by riot, but those trollers they got no punish or ban. It was like Riot is protecting them and if you touch to them u get banned. I used to be happy playing this game with my friends from ss2 but now they quit cuz Riot did give shiit to us. i'm not sure Overwatch or Dota won't be like this but at least this time they are more fun than this shiit LoL
redfeenix1 votesFuck off that's probably a first time support or first time Janna. You should be encouraging her and bring nice to new players, not make a passive aggressive thread about them in the forums.
Maybe it was free week Janna. Maybe that dude wanted to learn support. You never know.
In the future would you mind being kind and encouraging new players ? Thanks !
Yi Bencheikh1 voteswe did nothing to him , he just kept dying to their jungler's ganks and so he got tilted and went to troll and it was a ranked
redfeenix1 votesOh... Wut. There goes that theory
Unstoppable Monk1 votesADCs are just as bad. You really can't support csless adcs that build IE first and no defensive stats when they need to. You just can't.
You're better off roaming and that means you're going to have to play a support that does damage because your ADC is never going to
Morality Coach1 votesIf you are perma Bronze with disabilities play a tanky meta supp also. This dude tried to Nidalee supp me in norms last night and I just took his Nid and went ADC.
I'm done ADCing for bad supps in Norms. You want to off meta supp? I'm off meta ADCing with your off meta supp, sick of that.
Aelthya1 votes[{quoted}](name=Morality Coach,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4wJMgWyV,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-08-14T18:16:44.498+0000)
If you are perma Bronze with disabilities play a tanky meta supp also. This dude tried to Nidalee supp me in norms last night and I just took his Nid and went ADC.
I'm done ADCing for bad supps in Norms. You want to off meta supp? I'm off meta ADCing with your off meta supp, sick of that.
I don't see how this is relevant. As a support main, I find that having a bad ADC or a bad Supp sucks all around. I've tried ADC before; I did terribly. However, being able to play any champion support can be an advantage. Why would you strip someone of a champion they want to play? That just tilts the heck out of your teammate, if it doesn't piss them off first.
Recently played with a janna who was probably playing janna or even the support role for the first time as it seemed died two times to sej ganks , goes on tilt intentionally feeding the ennemy and shit just because he is support and '' supp role is boring '' '' i can't supp bronzes '' '' rito why give me supp role '' dafuq ? just don't take supp if you can't play it ? seriously this is the first time i see this happening in dq o.o
Janna is my love. Seriously. I find it difficult to see how one can pick Janna and expect to do things outside of disengaging for your team.
I'm sorry to see that this happened in a ranked game, and at such a higher tier than me (Perma bronze at this point, it feels) but sometimes people join ranked queue just to screw with people and tilt them. Unfortunately, a lot of people are being boosted to higher tiers and then just troll, claiming they're the best, too. I can't say that in this situation, that's what happened, but support isn't a role anyone can play, either. People do find it boring. They're not there to kill and make calls. They're there to defend their ADC and keep vision throughout the map. For someone to complain and then intentionally feed, its a report and nothing else. Toxicity stems from these types of trolls and tilts, and as a first time support, I wouldn't recommend Janna, either. She's not the most difficult support, but she isn't the easiest. Something easier would have probably done the player more justice, but if he/she wasn't keeping wards or sight, nor paying attention to the map, that would be their own fault.
Another thing to take into consideration is someone who picked "fill" for the queue time reduction, not realizing that if you pick 'fill', you're more than likely going to get support or Jungle before any other role. You should never pick 'fill' unless you feel confident in your ability to play every role decently. I've made the mistake of fill once in a normal and realized my mistake. Luckily, I was able to keep up with my team. I may have been behind, but we were able to snowball mid lane in order to get the game going in our favor.
There are trolls in every game in every tier. Unfortunately, it happens and it's sad. I hope you find better matches in your future games!
Morality Coach1 votesI've played since 2010, I've seen it all. I will play with any supp, and if they are bad I won't even flame them unless they talk to me first and it annoys me. I don't care if I lose or not, I have all the IP I want.
You hit me with that 38% winrate Nidalee supp I'm taking it from you and just playing stupid that game. I won't get banned because it's not a pattern I'm rarely toxic and I'm not even toxic in this case, just playing Nid ADC. 45% winrate and above I don't even care. Malphite is fine, other off meta supps are fine. Hit me with a supp that can do nothing though I'm not playing that.
For some reason it's ok to be really bad on supp and slack off, but if the ADC wants your bad supp all of a sudden that's not cool cause the ADC is more important.
If a game reaches a certain slack level in pre chat, I'm slacking off all the way.
Aelthya1 votesI feel like your statements contradict each other just a bit, but I'll ignore that.
My point still stands, though. If someone picks their preferred champ as "Nid" for support, and you take it because your logic is "You hit me with that 38% winrate Nidalee supp I'm taking it from you and just playing stupid that game.", then you're not even trying to play as a team. You're playing specifically to tilt or piss that person off and that's not right, either.
I won't get banned because it's not a pattern I'm rarely toxic and I'm not even toxic in this case, just playing Nid ADC.
That is the logic of a troll, in my opinion. How do you know that the person who is hovering Nidalee support isn't a Nidalee main who can actually be part of that 35% winrate? You don't. You can't just say, "Nah you're not gonna play that support" and take it from them just because you don't want to deal with it. Talk to your team, first. See if there is something else they are willing to play. Don't just take it. Not only is that rude, but unsportsman like. Its a passive-aggressive way of saying: "Nah, screw you and your practice or preferred champ."
Normals are more or less a practice ground for ranked for most people. If they want to try out Nidalee support and you tak eit, you're denying them any form of practice on a champion they might have really wanted to play. Its counter productive for your team.
Morality Coach1 votesIf you want to be Bronze and a carebear go right ahead, no one is stopping you. It's hard enough to win bot lane with a 47% winrate support. But hey, lets burden me even more with a 38% winrate one.
People do this as a built in excuse for failing cause they have an online ego. If we are going to be childish lets just be all the way childish.
A lot of players feel the way I do too, you won't climb with your troll supp picks.
I was a supp main for years, it's not right to put more pressure on the ADC like that, don't care what Riot says about it, they want to sell skins to that Nidalee supp main, they aren't impartial.
StarTorched1 votes38% winrate means that out of every 100 players playing nid support, 38 of them won lane. And that's not to account for circumstances like crappy adc and such. So there probably were people who played nid support and was the best thing since sliced bread. I'm just saying, your logic is pretty shitty. Just because the possibility of them winning is low doesn't mean they will not win.
"Burden"? Your support isn't baggage, if anything, she's your fairy fucking godmother. But regardless, if it's a normal, why do you care? If it's ranked, at least talk to the person. Ask them how well they have done it before, if they have done it at all. That being said, the just straight up taking it is a pretty shitty thing to do not only to that person, but to the rest of the team that was hoping for a good ADC.
Yes, gosh, I'm a bronzie, hur dur dur you don't know what you are talking about. But honestly? Those points I've made are regarding common courtesy and general use of logic.
Gary B Enkelis1 votes38% winrate means that out of every 100 players playing nid support, 38 of them won lane. And that's not to account for circumstances like crappy adc and such. So there probably were people who played nid support and was the best thing since sliced bread. I'm just saying, your logic is pretty shitty. Just because the possibility of them winning is low doesn't mean they will not win.
I don't even think winrate is limited to or determined by winning lane. I think it's just winning that goes in to winrate. AKA you kill their nexus -> your winrate goes up.
Of course winning lane probably helps but it's probably not the deciding factor for this statistic. But I think you know this but I'm being safe or pedantic or whatever.
StarTorched1 votesYup. So really, there could be tons of nid supports that owned the shit out of their lane and got bogged down by their team. Oops xD I screwed up on that one so thank you for correcting me.
Gary B Enkelis1 votesYup. So really, there could be tons of nid supports that owned the shit out of their lane and got bogged down by their team. Oops xD I screwed up on that one so thank you for correcting me.
Or maybe they won their lane but don't know how to end a game. I don't know.
StarTorched2 votesYup. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that low winrate don't mean shit when it comes to specific cases.
I will obliviate1 votesyou have a point... but let's see it my way... Every time I see a troll pick for supp in front of me (and I play ADC)... I say politely... "Please don't pick this... we will be much better with a normal support...". Do you know what they do? They pick it... they go full AD or full AP... and try to take kills in lane while they don't let me farm or even steal my farm... EVERY TIME... I have never seen someone pick a troll pick as supp but play it like a normal supp... it's a troll pick and they do it because they don't care... which is even more stupid... when there are NORMAL games where we're not gonna lose out LP... AGAIN...
If someone is polite and tells me "Let me try this... I am good with it..." I won't tell him to pick something else or flame him... but it just NEVER HAPPENS... it's ALWAYS a troll pick... and it ends ALWAYS with a loss... even when it's with me... that I never flame them... and just report them after ANOTHER LOST RANKED GAME
StarTorched1 votesMy point was that you should ask nicely if they do do a pick. Because the person said that he took away the nid support simply out of spite because it's a low winrate support. If you asked and the person didn't respond, and proceeded to be a horrible support, that's another story.
My problem is with people bashing on something because "it wasn't seen before" or "this has a bad winrate". Which DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO SPECIFIC CASES. And even if it's true the other person's being a troll and just playing whatever they want for support, in this person's case, Nidalee support, how is it AT ALL helpful in ANY WAY for ANYONE on your team to just take nidalee and play nidalee adc?
He literally says he is going to troll because of the nid support rate. Which means not only did you just sink to the level of the troll and or tilt the person who's legitimately trying to do this, you also just deprived your teammates, who has nothing to do with this mess, of a meta/effective adc. How does that help anyone? I mean, sure, ban the weird support. Fine, at least that's not as damaging. But saying "since you are trolling I am trolling" is incredibly stupid, especially since in the scenario described (not by you, mind you) he doesn't even know if the nid support was actually a troll pick.
Gary B Enkelis1 votessupport isn't a role anyone can play, either. People do find it boring. They're not there to kill and make calls. They're there to defend their ADC and keep vision throughout the map.
I'm confused here but I think this sounds wrong. You're saying supports don't make calls or do killy things?
Aelthya2 votesI'm confused here but I think this sounds wrong. You're saying supports don't make calls or do killy things?
My point here is that the majority of supports aren't there to take kills or calls. Many supports I've seen refuse to make calls because they're so into peeling or warding to even bother (Again, just by experience). The main role of a support is to be there to support the carry. That was the point of that statement.
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This is one of many reasons you're in Bronze my friend. Riot doesn't want you to climb, they want you at the bottom buying skins and earning rank 7 to try to stand out.
No one in gold talks like a care bear and no one in gold is going to react well to your bad support antics.
I'm not overly rude, but if I am I'll still climb cause I can carry a lane, so don't expect anything out of me cause you think you're "nice".
I don't expect anyone to be nice. I expect them to have enough civility to talk to others like regular people, not scum. I also expect someone who is playing a game to not bad mouth the creators or their moderators while still playing the game. Again: trash talking Riot and their people does not make your argument valid.
I will obliviate1 votesYou will never change the minds of these people man... trust me... you have better chances at training a monkey to be world champion in LoL... it's because it's online gaming... they think that just because they can type anything on their keyboard, they have the right to talk anyway they want... they would never have the GUTS to talk to your face that way... or they would be ashamed to do it... Also, trust me, if they aren't higher than Gold 2 or something... they have the same skill in game that Bronzers do... I am in Bronze and I play normal with my friend who is Gold... he plays Morde mid and I play Ezreal bot... and Ezreal is one of the hardest champs in LoL... you can't tell us apart that much... and he respects me only because he knows me... they can't understand that low Elo doesn't mean low skills...
Lastly... I do blame RIOT for one thing... they have an awesome game... but with horrible people playing it... allowing them to curse, spam, flame and mess with us normal people all game long... without ANY punishment... ban their accounts... not for a day or a month... PERMANENTLY... that would scare them a little... they would stop... or if not permanently... maybe for a year or something... Our society is training people to be horrible cretins in every aspect of their lives lately... cursing, disrespecting and belittling others... society makes it seem like all these things make you COOL... they don't... they make you a CRIMINAL AGAINST HUMAN RIGHTS!!!
I will obliviate1 votesIt's simple my friend... people flame bot lane... THAT SIMPLE... Bot lane is the hardest to play because it requires teamwork... so it's the easiest to mess up... and I say it while I play adc... and if not that I supp... I can do both... better with some adc but I do good with Nami or Leona too... anyway... you have to understand that most people playing this game are underage... and most of them do not try to think about how the other player feels and how psychology is important... as professional athletes... they know that psychology is more than 50% of the game...
The thing about bot lane is that it's the easiest target... it's harder to play there than a solo lane...more fun of course but who cares... and people want to be sure that whenever they lose... IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT... so they flame and blame bot lane all game... not trying to help, gank, ward the jungle or something to make our lives a little easier... they just bitch about us getting killed while the other team sees we are in trouble so they gank us with 3 and 4 people at a time... our teammates??? farming probably to get gold... thinking... "ok... they are noobs... I will win alone and show them how a REAL player plays".
Of course you can get flamed in other lanes too... but you get my point... people want to think it's not their fault... they feel better that way.... they can tell themselves that they are low Elo because of all the noob feeders... that they never helped though... When I play I try to help everyone... and when I do and end up dying for one of their reckless charges without thinking they are going to be slaughtered??? I GET FLAMED AGAIN... Either ban flamers permanently or just live with them... RIOT
Aelthya1 votesCarebear? Really?
The whole point of League of Legends is to play a team game. Just because you become salty over the idea of an off meta support, doesn't mean you can decide for them. Let people play what they want. I don't pressure my ADC when I pick off meta champs. I communicate with them, tell them my reasons and we usually have a decent game; win or lose. Picking an off meta support doesn't mean I'm there to troll, either. I might be picking into my team to work off of them. Maybe I'm trying to make up for something missing on my team. You aren't the end all be all determiner of someone's support pick.
Its called being a team player. Don't start being overly rude and determined to pick a fight. I simply stated that doing that, taking a player's preferred champion from them, is rude and tilts players. You easily can piss someone off which will ultimately result in poor performances. Trolling someone because they want to play a champion in a specific role isn't fair to the rest of your team either. If that's how you feel, then stay in a group. Don't go solo. That's the only way you're going to make sure that you're going to have a good support.
The OP was discussing about how someone who went in first time Janna and support became tilted and started to intentionally feed in a higher tier. Those types of people are everywhere. You either get through it or you dodge. That's the only way around it, honestly.
Also, making snide comments about Riot isn't making your argument valid, either.
Morality Coach1 votesThis is one of many reasons you're in Bronze my friend. Riot doesn't want you to climb, they want you at the bottom buying skins and earning rank 7 to try to stand out.
No one in gold talks like a care bear and no one in gold is going to react well to your bad support antics.
I'm not overly rude, but if I am I'll still climb cause I can carry a lane, so don't expect anything out of me cause you think you're "nice".
Icy Spectre1 votesYeah okay, please wait until I will learn to play support magically while playing mid instead.
Gary B Enkelis1 votesIf Riot doesn't want me to Support or Fill then Riot can build that into the game. I don't super care what some random guy on a forum says. I care what Riot says.
Maximum Morde1 votesBut I'm not gonna get my secondary. Usually and it's only like a 20% chance that fill gives support right? Right??
StarTorched1 votesBut you will get your secondary. And no, that depends more on how many people play each role rather then how many roles their are. Since not many people are jumping up and down at the chance of playing support, you as fill, get what's left, AKA support.
I will obliviate1 votesYou think that's the worst? I play adc a lot... Ezreal... and well Ez isn't that strong early... I am not bad at all with him though... anyway... ALL MY SUPPS ARE ONLY TRYING TO KILL... NOTHING ELSE... They don't care about farm they don't care about anything... they want good score for them... as every player out there... no one cares about winning... they care about winning WHILE HAVING THE BEST SCORE... anyway... that's why they don't like to play supp... no one likes it... especially in bronze... I mained support a while back... but was losing because my adc wanted to take kills instead of easy farm gold... there is no solution... idiots are idiots... you can't change them... maybe in high Elo it's much better... but in our little disgusting Elo Hell... no way... we are doomed to play with trolls and ragers for ever... but when we find normal people... it's like it's our Birthday or something... LOL