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I cussed out someone who inted their lane and came to my lane and ran it down: only I was punished

BlackRoseNoble··3 votes·2,138 views

Below is the original post as I was hesitant to put this on the regular boards.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant/YhtP40cu-i-got-chat-restricted-for-cussing-out-people-who-inted-then-ran-it-down-my-lane?comment=0002

I want to start this off by saying I'm fully aware of the ToS and of the policies of toxicity, however with me being the only person punished for this I find this a very failed policy as it encourages gameplay toxicity and punishes players who are justifiably upset when this happens but not the actual players who pull this. Objectively I would disagree with anyone who says - outside of the box of what Riot says is okay - that i am wrong for being upset or cussing them out. I go in to why in the video on the post.

I see no reason, if we are being fair here, why I'm the one who gets punished and they are not? In the video it clearly shows 2 separate games happening within 2 games of each other (2 of 3 games) where this happened, the latter of which I was chat restricted from the first and had no way of communicating.

I invite Riot to take a look at the chat logs from both of these games and post them here - as i would but do not know how to garner access to them.

Also note that on the video, someone left a comment that they literally go in to games SPECIFICALLY to troll to get people perma banned for cursing them out - justifiably as this (the in-game feeding/inting depicted in the video and what is described in the youtube comment) is such a toxic thing to do. I cannot stress enough how 1-sided this policy is and it needs to change. I am not alone on the Rant boards having these occurrences and it seems to me this is a problem that needs addressing from Riot beyond this bot system.

Let's also talk about what this does to players whom get punished for this: it absolutely cripples them in game. Say that player was in a better mood and said "hey, you know what, that person was absolutely a feeder and an inter and a troll last game - but if someone runs it down next game out of being upset, i'm gonna try to talk them down and get us back on track".....nope, cant do that, because you aren't allowed more than 8 sentences in the game for at least the next 18-25 hours of gameplay (assuming you play ranked or norms blind/draft exclusively). Meanwhile, the players that do this go unpunished with the current system.

I would hate to post this without proposing a solution to the problem, so...

1 solution I think would be helpful is to actually bring back the Tribunal as it is the only way that Riot can effectively do this. They cant pay people to do go through every game, but they CAN have a list of the most honored players for attitude, etc. be a representative tribunal from the community and rotate through said list to determine the punishments. This tribunal would get to see the replay and chat logs so they could see and correlate chat logs with timestamps to what actually happened. Granted, I'm not quite sure what happened originally to make Riot take the Tribunal away so I can't speak to its' flaws. That being said, it has to be better than the current system which opens the gates for trolls to actively get away with this stuff as they generally queue as a group or do not speak at all or very little with careful thought in what they say so as not to be flagged by the chatbot during game and just do their toxic thing. Leaving things like this to automation or actively not doing something to solve this problem is an issue for the game itself. This is not healthy for any gaming community to allow people like this in a competitive game - ESPECIALLY IN RANKED WHERE THIS HAPPENED (in my promos no less).

There are many other things I'd love to address, but most are addressed in the video (plus a tangent i went on about skins and champs being broken that i was just venting about), so I'm going to let the community pose the rest of the questions and kind of get other perspectives or thoughts about how to solve this issue and to show that this is not a rare occurrence. We cannot honestly say that League is at its lowest toxicity level anymore when this many occurrences happen.

I look forward to seeing what the community provides on this subject.

Regards,

BlackRoseNoble

9 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon4 votes

So....How do you know they weren't punished and won't be punished?

Assuming it happened just before that post, that's 2 days. 2 days ago was either Monday (when most people take the day off for the 5 day weekend and it's right before Christmas Eve), or Tuesday (when it is Christmas Eve). It's probably a safe assumption they have only a few people working on shit like this at most.

Assuming that's the case, it's probably a safe assumption that nobody's actually looked at that game yet. Inting requires manual review, while toxicity can generally just be automated.

And, that aside, you flaming them just encourages them, and you're not going to talk them out of it.

The tribunal died because it was both inefficient and flawed. Riot had to put in a reward because nobody would actually fucking do it otherwise, and that just lead to people mindlessly clicking through it for rewards.

BlackRoseNoble1 votes

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So....How do you know they weren't punished and won't be punished?

Assuming it happened just before that post, that's 2 days. 2 days ago was either Monday (when most people take the day off for the 5 day weekend and it's right before Christmas Eve), or Tuesday (when it is Christmas Eve). It's probably a safe assumption they have only a few people working on shit like this at most.

Assuming that's the case, it's probably a safe assumption that nobody's actually looked at that game yet. Inting requires manual review, while toxicity can generally just be automated.

And, that aside, you flaming them just encourages them, and you're not going to talk them out of it.

The tribunal died because it was both inefficient and flawed. Riot had to put in a reward because nobody would actually fucking do it otherwise, and that just lead to people mindlessly clicking through it for rewards.

Because its based on a bot system. They do not review games, and if they did, assumably those reports would have gone through simultaneously. Not a single notification has come to me for this other than me being chat restricted. If they were going to be punished, it would have already happened and I would have been notified.

The "me flaming them just encourages them" is such a dodge to the actual issue here and such a red herring fallacy it cannot be emphasized enough. Also, do you not equate inting with toxicity? Because I'm genuinely curious as to how you come to that conclusion.

There should be added incentives to be a part of that, and you should be vetted. I think tangible in game or promotional rewards for actually contributing and not just clicking through etc should happen. A system similar to respondus lockdown could be used to detect people who may abuse the system. There are ways to go about this, its a matter of the commitment Riot has to actually solving this issue.

Arammus2 votes

noone really KNOWS it right now. but with the experience in my past... 8 years... the first 6 years NOTHING was done. and ~ 2 years ago riot started to do some manual reviews. but as we all know, theres prob more than 10.000 different players reported for trolling/inting every day. and riot AT BEST can review 100 of them per day. so yeah. do some math. the chance of an inter getting banned is close to 0%.

HeyitsQiQi3 votes

Yep, riot doesnt punish inters

BlackRoseNoble1 votes

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Yep, riot doesnt punish inters

I think it's important to clarify that:

They don't punish inters because they dont review games.

I acknowledge that people have bad games, but actions like what are depicted in the video i posted on the OP in RANTS board is most DEFINITELY something that should be at the VERY least a suspension (which, admittedly, i think is too lenient, but IJS).

Julevi2 votes

Sorry dude but I would highly recommend rethinking the length of your video. A lot of players here are already bothered to read longer posts and usually demand a TL;DR for essay-wise OPs and here they should be watching a full 24-minute video? No way that every person who would like to comment on the situation takes their time and watch it completely through.

BlackRoseNoble1 votes

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Sorry dude but I would highly recommend rethinking the length of your video. A lot of players here are already bothered to read longer posts and usually demand a TL;DR for essay-wise OPs and here they should be watching a full 24-minute video? No way that every person who would like to comment on the situation takes their time and watch it completely through.

When I can afford editing software and stuff thats fine, but if someone actually wants to see the full scope, and they should given the nature of the board itself, they should at least scroll through the first game. Honestly, that speaks more to the attitude of this community if its the case that people arent willing to take a look before developing an opinion, even if they scroll through the stuff and dont watch all of it. That's not even accounting for the lack of people willing to read posts on a board where details actually matter. Disappointing to say the least. Appreciate the feedback though.

BlackRoseNoble1 votes

For those who would like to see the video and not the original post, the link is as follows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uOpwTyhaVc

Yin Yang Taoist1 votes

OP. Just post clips of the points at which they inted. You can record just those parts and post, maybe? Not sure!

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