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The Real Plague of League of Legends.

Valrun··82 votes·6,524 views

The last game I played as Pantheon, is what's truly irking me. We had a player who didn't call anything, everyone else had already called and locked in. He just chilled until he called "ADC". Cool, easy game, easy life, right? We had 5 people call their lanes, no conflicts?

Then he locks in as Malzahar...

This is where it starts to spiral downhill. We get into the game and our Azir starts dying a bunch, that's no problem. Unskilled players go to normals to learn how to play their champs. Fine by me. But we get to the 20 minute mark and Malzahar pops a surrender vote while we're not losing, but we're not necessarily winning.

"FF or intent feed" -Malzahar 2016

This is where it goes downhill. This Malzahar, who was 3/4 at the time roughly, just goes straight into the enemy team and begins his intentional feeding. He made it a point though to stay behind the Azir in deaths. I can forgive the Azir, as he was trying to play the game still, not intentionally throw it from a decent match up. I've dealt with the intent feeding trolls for years, you just deal with them, report them and move on. The part that really pushed me over the edge is the enemy team supporting and encouraging this troll and since it was a nice five man premade as stated by them, they also decided it would be best to report everyone on our team except Malzahar, because Malzahar gave them such an easy win. They were cheering him on the entirety of the game and it was just an over-the-edge toxic thing to play around. He was doing everything in his power to do and give them objectives.

It's not the trolls who make this game unfun and unfair, it's the people who encourage them to continue to do so. The ones who think it's funny and cute to ruin the game for the enemy team by encouraging their player to intentionally feed or throw the game as hard as possible.

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110 Comments

FlameHalbrdOkido44 votes

Wow that is messed up

Valrun21 votes

It happens all of the time. I had a bard do the same to me in another game. The other team wouldn't report him for trolling and killing our teammates simply because I was super fed on a Riven. People prefer the easy win over the honorable ones.

Wolfenstin23 votes

Which is why I always apologize whenever someone DCs or has a feeder, or at least show some sympathy at the end chat. I'm not big on the easy wins, they make me feel guilty (as much I love when a Yasuo or Zed DCs) and I'll give my condolences, but I'm still going to play normally.

What gets me is the people who BM to hell and back when they know you have a man down, feeder or DC, and rub it in your face. I had one team accuse us of sucking because someone DCed on us. "What, did he take your team's skill with him?" That kind of shit doesn't fly with me.

Valrun9 votes

This is the hell in which we play...

PaladinNO4 votes

Imagine if we had our Yi actually there... http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1314951281/201309331?tab=overview

It often is not the defeat, but how we get that defeat.

Solomatrix4 votes

Why play the game if you're going to do that crap...?

PabloMaster5432134 votes

Yeah, i had a zed that said support and locked in zed with ignite, i thought he wasnt bad cause he was level 5 mastery with zed and silver, boy i was wrong, he had 2 deaths in 3 minutes, then our top laner, riven, told him to afk, but then he started feeding other lanes and completely lost us the game. He ended up having 16 deaths by 25 minutes and finishing as 0/16/2, the enemy team wouldnt report him and said ez games noobs, you guys suck, and then, for posting this riot deleted this, told me to shut up and that was the warning.

2 Vaynes 1 cup11 votes

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Yeah, i had a zed that said support and locked in zed with ignite, i thought he wasnt bad cause he was level 5 mastery with zed and silver, boy i was wrong, he had 2 deaths in 3 minutes, then our top laner, riven, told him to afk, but then he started feeding other lanes and completely lost us the game. He ended up having 16 deaths by 25 minutes and finishing as 0/16/2, the enemy team wouldnt report him and said ez games noobs, you guys suck, and then, for posting this riot deleted this, told me to shut up and that was the warning.

Never trust silvers, I'm silver and I don't trust myself

Dengeden7 votes

Name shaming is prohibited regardless of context.

Tenzosan13 votes

The reason this happens... There are no real punishments. Someone can do some really messed up shit like that in a game, get reported, get perma banned, then start a new account for free and start the process over again. THIS IS NOT TOXIC IT IS A FUCKING PLAGUE ON THE GAME. Toxic people are manageable... but that needs a harsher punishment.

Valrun16 votes

I've always been supportive of IP-Banning.

Mr Vulcanator3 votes

Imagine if multiple people live in the same house or apartment?

Valrun3 votes

I could see this getting to be a sticky situation, but it's the only permanent solution to an issue like this. The permanent bans do more harm than good as well when you think about it...

A large amount of truly toxic players just make new accounts and then go through the ranks of new players, which is a huge deterrent. Some people are going to be exposed to this behavior and it will just turn them off of the game and they don't come back.. I've seen it quite often, as I've leveled alongside a few of my friends that have gotten into League of Legends over the years, since I've been 30 for... far too long... And it's honestly just a horrible experience to play with these people.

DeynaTaggerung4 votes

What if they end up banning a school? An institution? I think what makes more sense is to ban computers. Have the game grab the computer's identifier (preferably something hard written) and not allow League to function on that machine(a person will have one they generally log on from). Sure people could start a new account on another computer...but how many times.

Tenzosan9 votes

I know it isn't Riot's place to be policing schools... But why would a kid be allowed to play at school? That would be a complete beneficial thing to do... Maybe we will finally have children who aren't ignorant enough to not know their actions have consequences.

Maple Crusader4 votes

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I know it isn't Riot's place to be policing schools... But why would a kid be allowed to play at school? That would be a complete beneficial thing to do... Maybe we will finally have children who aren't ignorant enough to not know their actions have consequences.

I find it very unlikely that elementary/high school students would even be allowed to play the game in the school libraries or computer labs at school. These kids would be in deep shit.

HeadHydra4 votes

I have a League club at my school every Wednesday in the Library we play League after school

Maple Crusader2 votes

{quoted}

I have a League club at my school every Wednesday in the Library we play League after school

How does that work out? Out of curosity, which school do you go to, in which part of NA?

DeynaTaggerung6 votes

There are people that play after school finishes provided the administration doesn't mind. A number of schools have League of Legends clubs which meet regularly for kids to play League. Alternatively Universities also are on one network and students are free to play on that. So it's not all breaking of rules.

Meanie402 votes

You don't even need an IP ban, just a MAC address ban.

Shroom Junkie4 votes

{quoted}

I've always been supportive of IP-Banning.

It would be good, if family members didn't play on the same computer or had no other computer. Not to mention they can just use another computer.

But, the loss of RP and IP has changed peoples' toxicity level countless times, so, that's good.

Kei1436 votes

False, the reason why this happens is that people THINK there are no punishments.

They also have a misunderstanding of the reporting system.

  • Intentional feeding is taken more seriously that chat bans and hits them straight off the bat with a 14 day ban.
  • It takes less games for the system to detect & punish the intentional feeding behaviour than verbal harrassment
  • Others reporting you (if you have done nothing wrong) doesn't do anything to you
  • Thinks that there are no punishment because the feedback system doesn't kick in unless your report contributed to the final ban
  • People thinking more reports on 1 person means more weight, false. 1 Report is all is needed to flag the account, more than 1 doesn't mean much (but it contributes to Riot's Stats)
Tenzosan5 votes

Whoa buddy settle down. You're misunderstanding where I'm coming from. People do not feel there is a punishment because it is easy to make a new account. All you need right now is a new e-mail address. If I were to get banned right this second I could be back on the game in less than 10 minutes as a level 1 account. I play for a few weeks and get back to 30 and suddenly I'm right back where I started. I know the various rules and know they are in place and working. I'm a firm believer in this current system. However I'm not okay with people's attitudes about it. That whole re signing up thing and starting off right where they left off means they did NOT learn a single thing from their ban and only gave them more of a reason to troll later on.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

Kei1432 votes

Ya

My post was more directed at OP, but your comments sparked an interesting topic.

0 intention for arguement, 100% meant for education.

Wolfenstin3 votes

As true as that may be, that's a lot of work to go through just to get yourself back into ranked to screw with people. You'd have to be dedicated to spend that much time raising a new account to level 30.

Having to go through all that work (assuming the person in question doesn't make it a bot account) would be enough of a detriment to that player I'd think.

Opportunistic3 votes

^ he is right. Back in season 3 I used to help in the tribunal and I would read game chat logs etc, etc. I would vote to ban or pass someone. Granted that currently isn't around anymore but the system DOES work as I have personally seen people get banned from my reports. The biggest plague we have is not the toxicity or the trolls etc. It's the good players not sending in those reports. Doesn't anyone remember when the new reporting system came out that there was a MASSIVE decrease in toxicity because sooo many people got banned right away and for about 2 weeks it was heaven. Well guess what happened? People stopped reporting and just moved on to another game. That is the true plague.

PaladinNO7 votes

I had a similar game once (keyword: "once") in ARAM...except the totally opposite happened.

When the feeder - after having proclaimed he would do so in all-chat due to something he was not happy with, some inexperienced player on our team or whatever (and being bashed hard by the other team for that statement) - started walking up against the other team, all(!) of them either backed away from him or just went around, ignoring him completely - they deliberately didn't touch the feeder at all (apart from a couple accidental AA's on occasion and the towers did the rest).

I had to honour all on the other team, both for that and because all 5 of them bashed the flamer in all-chat for his..."rather unintellectual behaviour", to put it nicely.

After that, he kept his mouth shut, and started to make an effort, but after having sold all his items, being 2/27/3, and we were down to the nexus towers, there weren't much he - or any of us - could do.

I had no problems with that defeat, simply because of the support from the opposite team, and how they all said they would report him regardless.

However, this was some years ago, when this game was more fun and entertaining than the current flamebattlegrounds it seemingly is today. I now maintain the current honor is NOT getting reported - I didn't think that way 2 years ago, so something's gone downhill since then.

CarameI Frappe5 votes

... They were going to report everyone on your team except for the guy who was purposely feeding to ruin the game for petty reasons?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/059/618/258.png

I would send a ticket to Riot, personally requesting them to view the match. I dearly hope they get warnings or so on for such awful behavior. That's worse than trolling because it's a team effort to feed off this guy then report those who did nothing wrong and honor the actual troll. No way should they get away with it.

Biffolo1 votes

They didn't break any rules though. There is no rule saying "you can't be grateful the other team has an intentional feeder".

CarameI Frappe1 votes

Isn't that a smack in your own team's face? Also, the enemy team reported all the good players for not supporting the intentional feeder ... so how did they not break any rules? Even if there's no specific rules on that regard, it's still wrong of them which sadly may get a pass if Riot doesn't look into such behavior.

Biffolo1 votes

Perhaps, but I don't feel any emotional attachment to my teammates. I value them about as much as the enemies. Hell, they could even not be people for all I care, seeing as I'll most likely never see that summoner again. In regards to it being wrong, first off that's subjective, and second off their punishment is lower report weight for every false report. Either way, they didn't do anything against the rules so you can't punish them for anything.

CarameI Frappe2 votes
  • "I don't care about teammates. They're not people to me."
  • Plays a MOBA game that's all about teamwork.

... Dude. Just because they're strangers, doesn't justify people trolling them or ruining their game. I mean, imagine if you were in their shoes and had someone feeding on purpose, enemy team was rooting for this, then reported everyone who did nothing wrong. By the way, why do you keep bringing up 'subjective' for? This issue is literally labeled as unsupporting conduct, no question about it.

NourNoMad1 votes

Wow man, i get so sad when i read your words. Whether you will meet them ever or not, what does that matter? Lol is not an rpg, and since a team exists of 5 people, some loyalty in game is not too much to ask for. Also, very illogical your reasoning, because that enemy team that did not report the feeder, but all the rest, would probably themselves not appreciated if the situation was turned around. Always sad and kind of frustrating to experience people lacking the empathy/sympathy for other players when they are not having the shitty situation, but most certainly have been through it themselves.

And besides KillerMan, if you like to play the game, and you like it's mechanics: then what the other team did is very unsportsmanlike behavior, since they know that they did not win the game fair and square. Do they need to be blamed for that: NO, of course not? But do they need to report the other team, besides the actual feeder: ABSOLUTELY NOT! For me personally, that says a lot about those people: lazy, easy wins are more fun to them than actually having a challenge and learning how to play a game.

You are entitled to your opinion of course, like we all are. I find yours to be very illogical and unreasonable and leaves me to certain assumptions about the kind of player you are, how much that might sound prejudging. Good that you offer the other side of the coin, and challenge the topic, but still??

Well yeah, just another perspective on the topic.

Biffolo1 votes

I keep it strictly professional kind of attachment though. We are there to get the win and move on, nothing more. The lacking empathy/sympathy thing, I've been through it myself, I just don't care. I will never see those people again, false reports will do nothing and I'll be perfectly fine. If anything, their report weight will go down. I don't think getting worked up over tiny things is a good idea. Roll with the punches life gives you, accept the hand you are dealt and play it out. Besides, keeping myself emotionally detached from this game is how I prevent myself from tilting or raging, and it works well.

Valrun2 votes

It's unsportsman-like conduct. Very much a reportable offence. There's a reason we have a check box for it on the report window.

Clockwork Mouse3 votes

Getting the enemy team mad is a legit stragaty to winning, but reporting people for NOT trolling? That's just low.

o SWiZzY x2 votes

It's not the trolls who make this game unfun and unfair, it's the people who encourage them to continue to do so. The ones who think it's funny and cute to ruin the game

Well if somebody is going to lane and dying over and over, lets say 4 or 5 times, then the game is already ruined for me. I don't want to be playing with people lacking common sense which is why I'd like to have the ability to leave norms without penalty.

Valrun6 votes

I'd like to have the ability to leave norms without penalty.

Because this would totally end well...

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

o SWiZzY x3 votes

Pretty much every other multiplayer game has drawn the line between public/normal games and ranked games. I should not be penalized for leaving a normal/public game that I no longer want to participate in. The only game I have played that penalizes people for leaving games that don't matter is League.

IT MAKES NO SENSE.

RetroRage967 votes

For a lot of people, normals are the highest level they will play it, so it does matter to them. I think there should be another level of PvP, like Casual, where you can leave and nobody expects much of anybody, it's just for fun. Then the practicing ranked players or players looking to get into ranked or just play a somewhat serious game can have somewhere to go with likeminded players.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

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Pretty much every other multiplayer game has drawn the line between public/normal games and ranked games. I should not be penalized for leaving a normal/public game that I no longer want to participate in. The only game I have played that penalizes people for leaving games that don't matter is League.

IT MAKES NO SENSE.

it effects the other gamers, who are trying to have a good game. If you leave the game just because you dont care anymore, the team you were on suffers just the same a ranked team.

o SWiZzY x1 votes

There's a difference between leaving a game just to leave and fuck over your teammates and leaving because they're completely useless anyway. I shouldn't be penalized IN A NORMAL for leaving a game that is almost certainly going to be a loss because a duo just won't surrender. RIOT is letting the minority decide if a game should end and that is a really big problem. 3 out of 5 is a majority and it should end the game.

NourNoMad1 votes

I agree there, however, ppl sometimes do want to give up too fast, which is not correct neither imo. Win or loose, lessons can always be learned. 1 troll in team, see it as challenge if the other 4 get along. 1 troll, 1 flamer, 1 instigator, ... well then there is just no teamvibe and then i believe a 3 vs 5 is majority!

o SWiZzY x3 votes

Honestly the only penalty I can think of for leaving a normal game should be the loss of all IP that would have been gained from the match (including a bonus if any). Also an automatic loss regardless of the actual result of the match.

PaladinNO2 votes

This is why you play full premade only - where you know the skill and ability of each player, and is then more likely better mentally prepared for an eventual loss.

Sounds like such therapy would do you good.

If you can't handle a defeat, don't queue up.

Guess this would've been a bad game for you then: http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1315085105/201309331?tab=overview

...we all died at least 3 times each. End score 48/22 to us, but never mind that - we all died so much.

PaladinNO3 votes

Well, it's true - if you can't handle a loss, don't queue up. Life is therapy, full of experiences - which is not the same as counseling, and shouldn't be interpreted as such.

o SWiZzY x1 votes

I can definitely handle losses. What I can't handle is some of the braindead people playing this game NOT the game itself. If that means I need therapy then so be it.

Also your example wouldn't apply because your team were trading kills and were only down by 3 kills at 10 minutes. I'm talking about the bad players that DON'T trade kills like your Ekko did and walks to lane just to die over and over. This frees up the enemy to just roam for the first 20 minutes because our mid/top/adc is so far behind and virtually irrelevant. I do not want to be stuck in games like that because of my teams refusal to surrender a game that MEANS NOTHING.

PaladinNO2 votes

Much anger I sense in you...

But Yoda talk aside, you will still, once in awhile, encounter some such players and experience such matches. It is unavoidable. So the question is how you choose to cope with it.

Sure, these matches are a waste of time, not to mention the frustration of having these players on the team. Personally, I've never understood the mentality of these trolls, and what the heck they are getting out of it. It's illogical from any point of view that I can think of, and that both confuses me and frustrates me - even more so when I can't understand why they do it.

"Don't think too much about it", is an advice I have been given time and time again.

And no, my example wasn't meant to be valid. Only point was 4-5 deaths are nothing. You talking about above 10 deaths without an equal number of kills/assists, then sure, I easily agree to that being feeding - deliberate or not. Or if someone's attitude is so trashy it's almost impossible to even breathe normally when you read what they write.

Like this match: http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1314503466/201309331?tab=overview

^ I had my struggle with the enemy Vayne all throughout the match, and when the Nocturne says at game end "/all report this tristana doesn't know the game", I just about lost it. Just double pressed Alt+F4 before I let my keyboard take me down a dark path. And what did I do afterwards? Had some dinner, watched an episode of whatever series, and was back in queue some 30 minutes later. And was in a quite calm state. Almost, anyway. You want the quick way, enter any shoot-em up-game (preferably something with a minigun), use some spawn codes and codes like IDDQD, and have at'em! Just imagine whatever you shoot at - and brutally kill - have a nametag above their heads.

But you see, this is just a game - and I doubt these trolls does it to make it personal. They just want to have their fun at someone else's expense, thinking themselves safe behind the lie that is the anonymity of the internet. Ignore them; think of the trolls as lesser beings - and you would be right in doing it. Just don't let them get to you - because if you do, and you start talking back, they've won.

This is why I recommend you play full premade - because then it's easier to play for fun, and not for the win. And if you do play solo, have your mind open to the fact that there are trolls and flamers and assholes out there. And be mentally prepared to face them with calm - preferrably while you imagine you take a dull hacksaw to them in a not so hygienic fashion.

Play mind games with both yourself and the trolls (but no open flaming in chat against them, ever!), and the game is no longer about the game - and if you do ir right, I promise the defeat won't be as bad.

Trias0002 votes

{quoted} The part that really pushed me over the edge is the enemy team supporting and encouraging this troll and since it was a nice five man premade as stated by them, they also decided it would be best to report everyone on our team

It's been said a thousand times: False reports mean nothing

Zhire2 votes

I mean.. you main Shaco so... jk jk Jokes aside.. I completely agree with this. Trolls and feeders want attention and those who gives them attention will just encourage more troll.

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