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Negatives of playing with solo queue with 4 premade teammates

Eternal Colossus··2 votes·874 views

Nautilus I would like to bring this problem to light and hopefully get some RIOT input as to how situations like this can be avoided in the future. So, here are the details of the situation:

I played two Normal Matches a few days ago. In the first match, my teammates (who were all premade) were negative and intentionally threw the entire game. This is not the problem, however. The team that we lost to were very belittling and toxic (especially the enemy teemo, ironic). After this game was over I queued for the next game and was placed with the team that I had just lost to (all four of them were queued together).They continued their toxicity against me in pre-game chat (they were mad that I was the only one on my previous team that definitely beat them), and they said that they were going to intentionally troll and would ff at 20 minutes to make sure that I would still win no games that day.

In the game I did very well, got very fed and our team could have had a very easy victory. But unfortunately, like they said, they intentionally trolled, did everything that they could to try to get me killed, and intentionally surrendered at 20 minutes, even though we were winning hands down. During and after the game, those 4 premade friends all lied to the enemy team saying that I was intentionally throwing and verbally abusive (which the enemy team laughed at, because I had muted my team, done very well, and been very positive towards the enemy team).

So here are the problems that I see with this situation:

  1. Correct me if I am wrong, but I should not have been placed with that team the second game when I had just reported many of them for negativity and verbal abuse.

  2. The only way for me to avoid this outcome would have been to queue dodge, which I don't ever do and don't feel that I should be inclined to do.

  3. In my opinion, RIOT needs to come up with a way to prohibit situations like this occurring, where 4 premade teammates could intentionally throw the game (in multiple ways) for no other reason than because they want to and know that they can.

  4. With RIOT's new automated report system (don't get me started, I have plenty to say against it), those 4 teammates who all agreed to report me will instantly put my account up for punishment, especially if anyone else reports me (for whatever reason) within the span of one or two games. The system monitors players that receive what is viewed to be a more than average number of reports in a small number of games. Thus, 4 people reporting me in one game (and any of the enemy team that might have believed them) would be sufficient for my account to either be punished or to be very close to punishment, even if the reports were not truthful.

Thoughts? Please give this an upvote if you would like to find out how this can be fixed.

Thanks!

6 Comments

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

With RIOT's new automated report system..., those 4 teammates who all agreed to report me will instantly put my account up for punishment

Premade reports do not stack, specifically to prevent this. If you don't do anything wrong then their reports will have no effect, and your sole report will be weighted perfectly fine against each and every one of them if you tend to make accurate reports.

I recommend simply muting them; their harassment will only serve to cause you problems, but Riot isn't going to give their reports any credence if you don't give them reason to.

Eternal Colossus2 votes

Which is why I did mute them, at the beginning of the game. However, you also forgot to include how my 4 teammates, lying to the enemy team, easily could have (and might have) convinced one of them to report me. And if they did, then those reports DO stack. And, as I mentioned to you before on previous threads, the new report system gives "credence" to reports with or without any truth being behind them. The one and only factor that the 100% automated system CAN take into account is the number of reports within a set number of games. If you get reported more than the average in that number of games, you receive the punishment that is designed for that report (i.e. chat restriction for negative attitude/verbal abuse). Also, by the way, I just received a chat restriction based on that game. I muted them, didn't say anything except positive comments towards the enemy team. So, those reports obviously did matter, even though they were flawed.

However, that is not the main point of this thread, that's why I made it the 4th point. My main point is how can RIOT make changes to the system to not allow 4 premade players to intentionally troll and harass the 4th, including intentionally surrendering just to be rude towards that 5th player. I reported them for verbal abuse, negativity, and intentionally throwing, and I would like to know what RIOT would recommend for a player like me to do in that situation. Should I have just queue dodged like most others would have?

In my opinion, there are two possible solutions that I might suggest to RIOT to counter this problem happening.

  1. If there are 4 premade people together, and they put up the surrender vote, then it will not accept the surrender unless the 5th person (not queued with them) agrees to the surrender.

  2. It would be very simple to add a feature into matchmaking pre-games where one person on a team with 4 premade people could opt to leave the group with no penalties. This makes sense in situations like mine, where from minute one of pre-game I knew that they were going to be verbally abusive, toxic, intentionally throwing, and would likely (as they said they would) surrender at 20 minutes just to make sure that I don't win.

Do those options make sense? I don't feel that either of those options would be too difficult or cause too many pre-game difficulties.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

the new report system gives "credence" to reports with or without any truth being behind them

No, it doesn't. You are not punished based on report volume, but on the behavior found in the matches you were reported in. I understand that some people are afraid of being mass reported, but you have absolutely nothing to fear if you are not doing anything wrong.

Eternal Colossus1 votes

Unfortunately what you are saying goes completely against what RIOT employees have told me about the report system. No, I cannot provide quotes from them telling me this because they deleted the support tickets and threads which they said it in, because RIOT does not want summoners knowing exactly how the report system works (to "avoid players taking advantage of our behavior moderation system"). But please, if that is how you are saying that the report system works, then please provide quotes that say that the automated system is not based on report volumes within a set number of games based on what is considered the average amount of reports received per those set number of games.

Also, I can say from personal experience that mass reports do make a difference, even if they are completely false. I have brought up the quotes in previous threads, but I have received punishments with in-game quotes of mine that were marked as verbally abusive ("gj guys keep it up", "I'll ward red", etc...) play calling ("lets group and push mid", "lets get dragon while we can", etc...) and spamming chat (with examples similar to all of the above). Those punishments came after multiple games in a row where I was grouped with 3-4 premade teams, who all decided to troll me, be verbally abusive, lie to the enemy team about me, and report me. Thanks to their actions, I was likely reported by many of them on my team as well as the other team.

It was after this punishment that I submitted a support ticket asking why those comments were deserving of any punishment. The RIOT employee reviewed those matches and apologized to me, saying that the system does have flaws but that what had happened in my situation was a small chance weakness of the system. He told me that the system is based on the number of reports within a certain number of games, and will automatically flag the summoner for punishment if a higher than average number of reports are received in that certain number of games. He apologized again and told me that I did the right thing, but that he still could not remove the temporary restriction against me (though he said to keep my head up, because there were only 2 days left of the restriction). This support ticket was later deleted (not by me). That is all that I can remember off the top of my head.

Eternal Colossus1 votes

But again, please focus on the main point of this article. I stopped caring a long time ago about getting falsely reported and falsely punished, it is what it is, and I know that there was nothing else that I could have done. My main point is discussing methods and reasons that RIOT can stop a situation where 4 premade teammates can literally derail the entire game, wasting 20 minutes just to make sure that their 5th teammate loses, simply because they happened to not like him due to him doing very well against them in the previous game.

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